johnnyt Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 So I turned off a light a few minutes ago and every single light and relay, whether in-wall or wall-wart type went on in the house. ISY didn't see any of it (until I did a query all) Anyone ever see that? What happened?
Brian H Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Did you turn it Off with its Local Paddle, Remote or through My Lighting?
ISYhbsh01 Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Were any linking done between the devices themselves locally outside of the ISY? Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2
gviliunas Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I think that I may have experienced this problem but, in my case, it occurs about once every several months. Yes, it seems interesting that when the problem occurs, ISY is not aware of all of the status changes that just took place until you perform a Query All. Over a year ago I could make the problem occur 80-90% of the time by switching off a particular secondary KPL button that controlled an ISY "All 1st Floor Lights OFF" program. My wife was not very impressed by my All OFF button turning all lights in the house and garage on. Hmmm In troubleshooting, I replaced that particular KPL but this had no effect on the problem. Later, through input from some great and knowledgable members of this forum, I discovered another 1st floor KPL that was version 2D. Although that KPL appeared to be working properly, I replaced it and now my frequency of unintended All On occurances has fallen from repeatable to intermittent-once every several months. Also, I cannot make the problem appear by triggering my "All 1st Floor Lights OFF" program anymore. At this point, I am suspecting (just a vague feeling - NO PROOF Here) that the problem has something to do with battery failing in my motion sensors. I don't have any remaining version 2D KPLs but I do have several v.35 Switchlink Timers(2476ST). I have read here that v.35 Switchlink Dimmers and Relays can cause problems but I haven't read definitively that v.35 Switchlink Timers can also cause problems so I haven't replaced these....yet. Replacing that seemingly good version 2D KPL solved the majority of my problem. Good Luck! I am going to subscribe to this thread in case there are other ideas out there. Greg
johnnyt Posted October 17, 2012 Author Posted October 17, 2012 Were any linking done between the devices themselves locally outside of the ISY? No, it was a very ordinary set of circumstances. I came up from putting something in the fridge downstairs. I turned the stair light off and instantly everything turned on. I checked the ISY log and the off occurrence logged as expected - the switch does also turn two other lights off in the basement via a scene and everything showed up at 0% in the log. Funny though right now I can't remember if that particular light actually went off or stayed on but I think it went off. Unfortunately I wasn't logged into ISY before, never mind have the event viewer set to level 3... It's not a switch that's given me any problems. It's been rock solid otherwise for about 2 years now. Of course it could be starting to act up, although I did press off again later and the problem didn't re-occur. Edit: the light switch in question is a 2876SB Icon Relay v.39
LeeG Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I have seen a Motion Sensor issue a strange On message to Scene (Group) 255 which is the All xxx Scene number. Have not seen or heard of an ICON doing that. My main house is primarily ICON Relays and Dimmers. Scene (Group) 255 is the only Scene (Group) number that would cause all devices to respond. Would be very odd for an Insteon message to get scrambled like that because of the CRC. In this case an Off command, Scene number and Controller Insteon address would have had to be changed, to an On command to Scene (Group) 255 from the PLM Insteon address as that is the only Insteon address every device has a matching Responder link. Are there any ISY Programs that issue an All On. It is more likely that a Program was triggered that issued an All On. Actually that does not match either as the ISY would have been aware and marked the devices On.
ELA Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Hello Johnnyt, Any chance you had an electrostatic discharge? Here is something I had happen only once: http://forum.universal-devices.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=8606
johnnyt Posted October 17, 2012 Author Posted October 17, 2012 Any chance you had an electrostatic discharge?Here is something I had happen only once: http://forum.universal-devices.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=8606 I don't remember getting a shock or anything when I touched the switch but in the absence of a better explanation I guess static is the most plausible one so far. Reading through the thread certainly adds to my already strong reluctance to move to a non wired thermostat - the last major piece missing in my goal to sunset HomeSeer. (I just wished ISY supported a wired thermostat.)
LeeG Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Which wired thermostat would you like ISY to support?
johnnyt Posted October 17, 2012 Author Posted October 17, 2012 I have seen a Motion Sensor issue a strange On message to Scene (Group) 255 which is the All xxx Scene number. Have not seen or heard of an ICON doing that. My main house is primarily ICON Relays and Dimmers. Scene (Group) 255 is the only Scene (Group) number that would cause all devices to respond. Would be very odd for an Insteon message to get scrambled like that because of the CRC. In this case an Off command, Scene number and Controller Insteon address would have had to be changed, to an On command to Scene (Group) 255 from the PLM Insteon address as that is the only Insteon address every device has a matching Responder link. Are there any ISY Programs that issue an All On. It is more likely that a Program was triggered that issued an All On. Actually that does not match either as the ISY would have been aware and marked the devices On. FWIW, I do have a motion sensor at the bottom of the stairs, but it's only linked to ISY and programs control lights/scenes, not the motion sensor itself. Also while I do also have an All Upstairs scene and All Downstairs scene for lights, they are not called by my basement motion sensor going on or off, and they do not include all my non lighting devices, including the IOLinc relays I use for HVAC venting control, which were affected by this event. Of course, as you mention, ISY was oblivious to what happened anyway.
johnnyt Posted October 17, 2012 Author Posted October 17, 2012 Which wired thermostat would you like ISY to support? Ideally, the RCS TR40 I already own but I would be willing to replace it if there was something ISY did start supporting that was reliable.
gviliunas Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Johnnyt, Just to clarify, in my case, the problem seemed to be caused by a good KPL triggering an ISY 1st floor program which communicated with a bad KPL located on my first floor. When the problem occurred, ALL of my Insteon devices (all floor lighting + EZIOs + garage) turned ON. I think this was the same symptom that you experienced. Greg
johnnyt Posted October 17, 2012 Author Posted October 17, 2012 Johnnyt, Just to clarify, in my case, the problem seemed to be caused by a good KPL triggering an ISY 1st floor program which communicated with a bad KPL located on my first floor. When the problem occurred, ALL of my Insteon devices (all floor lighting + EZIOs + garage) turned ON. I think this was the same symptom that you experienced. Greg Okay, thanks, I will keep an eye on the other switch affected by the insteon off event of the switch I pushed. (also an ICON relay v39)
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