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Riddle me this..... The below program works and honors the time designation of From/To with the EXCEPTION of oc.Garage.Ext.Door-Opened. I can open any of the other two doors and the lights do NOT come on. This is the intention. However if I open the Garage Ext door the lights come on? Garage.Lights-On - [ID 000A][Parent 0001] If 'CL Bedroom / oc.CL-Bedroom.Int.Door-Opened' is switched On Or 'Garage / oc.Garage.Ext.Door-Opened' is switched On Or 'Laundry Room / oc.Laundry.Door-Opened-Opened' is switched On And ( From Sunset - 1 hour To Sunrise (next day) ) Then Set 'Garage / sc.Garage.Lights' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Now this one: This one is similar with the difference of two doors. The garage exterior door is in this list as well. This program completely ignores the From/To time designation and turns on. Deck.Lights-On - [ID 0002][Parent 0001] If 'Living Room / oc.LVR.Door-Opened-Opened' is switched On Or 'Dining Room / oc.Dining-Room.Door-Opened' is switched On Or 'Garage / oc.Garage.Ext.Door-Opened' is switched On And ( From Sunset - 1 hour To Sunrise (next day) ) Then Set 'Deck / sc.Deck.Lights' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Questions: Why is the time designation ignored in the first program for the Garage Ext Door? Why is the second program completely ignoring the time designation? Am I not understanding the time rules with ISY?

The only issues I've had with GE switches was I had the LED's go out on two different switches. Coming from z-wave now to Insteon I prefer the touch/feel of the Insteon switches over the GE switches. The Zooz switches have a nicer touch I think and more options at a cheaper cost and I never had a problem quality wise with them. The HomeSeer switches are excellent with lots of features but higher price tag as well. Innovelli has a new switch in development and they look to have some decent stuff. I have not used/tested anything from them other than speaking with them about their offerings.

Yes that is a nice setup with Home Assistant. I'm very used to using Z-Seer with HomeSeer for Z-Wave so I was interested to see if there was another tool or something someone was using for ISY Z-Wave diagnostics. Yes... There's very little rhyme or reason as to how a route is selected. Even when using a tool to manually set the route it can change to something unexpected on the next network heal.

Generally all powered z-wave devices act as repeaters. Curious are you running the z-wave with the ISY? If so what are you using to view the routing and network information with ISY?

I'm actually finding a lot of this useful. I'm new to the Insteon world so this is interesting. I find no issues with debating the technologies as I have found that each have their own strength/weakness and this type of back and forth often brings out hidden gems.

Hamburger, cheeseburger but I want a Hot Dog! With Onions....

The Phase Coupler link is great. I was looking at SmartHome but the hard wired one they used to carry is now discontinued? Or maybe just out of stock for a long time?

I have also thought about a NodeServer for Lutron. The Caseta Pro, RA2 Select and RA2 share the same integration interface which makes the development easier to support the primary systems. I've not worked with a QS system but I believe it still shares the same interface.

I see the same trouble with every system.... hmm...

Here are the programs. Why is this turning Off when people are in the Kitchen and moving around? Configuration: MSII - On-Only linked to a KPL 6 button Kitchen.Lights-State - [ID 002B][Parent 0018] If 'Kitchen / Motion Sensor / Kitchen.1 Motion' is switched On Then $Kitchen_Motion_State = 1 Wait 5 minutes $Kitchen_Motion_State = 0 Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Kitchen Lights - Off - [ID 0011][Parent 0018] If $Kitchen_Motion_State is 0 Then Wait 5 minutes Set 'Kitchen / KPL6 / Kitchen.KPL6.1' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') People can be in the Kitchen and moving around and the lights turn off.... ???

If you have the Z-Wave board there's the GE Heavy Duty relay and the Aeotec Heavy Duty relay: https://www.amazon.com/GE-Appliance-Required-Works-SmartThings-14285/dp/B00YTCZZF0/ref=asc_df_B00YTCZZF0/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=216539147262&hvpos=1o3&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4831132666293138423&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009165&hvtargid=pla-351536326275&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/Aeotec-Security-controller-electricity-consumption/dp/B00MBIRF5W I have no experience with either but I have thought of getting the Aeotec for a 240V wall heater... I still might.

I don't know. Let me go open one and find out. EDIT: No jumpers No Options either...

Thanks for the scene clarification. I think UDI needs to remove the "on level" adjustment when a "scene" is selected in the program. It leads to this type of topic Starting to get my head around the Insteon world now a little better. I get it that scenes are binary unless adjusted which I do with another scene actually. I was hoping that since there was that 'on option' in the program window it would maybe do something, but I guess not.

Thanks. That clarifies that. So in a program to adjust a scene I either have to adjust the scene 'on level' or adjust a single device member in the 3/4/5 way setup correct? The only annoyance with this is I then have to adjust each scene member for the LED's to reflect the correct level.

Please tell me what is wrong with this and why it does not work. Hallway.Lights-OverNight - [ID 003A][Parent 001E] If From 10:30:00PM To Sunrise (next day) Then Set 'Hallway / Scene / Hallway 3-Way' On 10% Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

I should have clarified I sent the info to UDI support

I sent in a fairly decent diagnostic of the Fibaro to support. I hope support for it will improve. From what I gather UDI is doing some fairly large changes in how they are addressing/handling z-wave devices to make adding support easier/faster. I'm hoping that change comes soon but I expect it will be another firmware release to incorporate the changes.

I'm trying to figure this one out as well... anyone know? I've also submitted a request to SmartHome about the Luminance reading updates. On USB power I can query an MSII and it updates. On Battery it's a hit or miss as in sometimes it will query fine and then sometimes nothing or I get an error. Here's the current response I've received about teh Luminance reporting:

@kclenden thanks for this. It was very much what I was looking for. I do something similar with modifying the scene for a motion sensor. Thanks also for testing against a battery device as that saved me another trip to the forum (even though I sit here a lot) I was trying the scene modification methods and was seeing if I could just change something in the scene to modify the off node the open/close sensor creates in the ISY and no luck there either. It seems I'll have to continue with the use of a program and accept the delay. In timing it's not horrible as it's just to turn on the lights when going out on the deck. But when just stepping out to grab some wood for the fire it's nice for the lights to be on.

Based upon other reading from sites and poking around the open/close there's no option for "On-Only" like the motion sensors. So this leaves me with using a program. Any way to speed this up? I can open the doors and count almost to 2 before the switch is turned on.

I'm going to piggy back on this thread a bit.... I posted another thread about this but maybe @rccoleman you would have some ideas on this or perhaps @Michel Kohanim might have some thoughts. I have a program to turn on light switches when any of a group of doors are opened. Originally I had z-wave open/close sensors and z-wave switches in my previous system. I then changed out the open/close sensors to Insteon and things worked well and about the same speed I would say it was actually faster. Yesterday I changed out the switches to Insteon switches and I swear the speed of the program is now much slower in execution. Is this a speed issue of Insteon? I then created a scene with the door sensors as the controllers and that response is instant which is awesome. But it seems in a scene the lights also go off when the door is closed which is not what I want. So a program is what I have to use but the speed just seems very slow.... thoughts? Ideas?

I had a program that turns on the deck lights when any of the doors open and then turn off the light after 10 minutes. This was with Insteon door sensors and Z-Wave switches. Today I replaced the switches with Insteon switches and the same program seems "slower" at about 1-2 seconds before the lights turn on? Maybe there's a troubleshooting step I can take but I looked at the logs in level 3 and I don't see any retries or anything. So I had the idea of a scene with the door sensors. The On speed is instant which is great. However as soon as the door is closed the lights are out. I was toying around and looking for a way to change the off behavior but I'm not really sure if I can? The goal is to use a scene to turn on the lights when the doors are opened but I don't want the doors closing to turn off the lights. Can this be done with a scene?

In initial playing I saw the change to z-wave association and after update I get no options for what function to associate... hmm... I'll play around more later. I think you're probably right about UDI focusing on getting the basics completed before extending themselves too much into the more advanced z-wave capabilities.

Newer GE may... historically they did not and used a work around from the controller stand point. I would expect newer switches/dimmers to support it now that the patent is expired but there's still lots of other reports from other controllers that use work arounds for it. Of course those may be issues with older end devices being used... I dunno... I realized that I've not setup any z-wave associations with ISY... so I'm going to have to figure that out.. I've been spending my time learning about this new Insteon world and not mucking too much with the z-wave switches I've included.

Log data doesn't tell me which is which... so the controller is the HS switch? The responders are the Jasco/GE? That makes sense as the Jasco/GE DO NOT provide real instant status. There may be something else in play with the associated devices as well. I have some HS switches and a HS WD-200+ so I may play around with them and see what I get as well as pairing with a GE switch and see if they results are different. I may not get to that today though as I have a garage door to repair and weekend chores