Sorry, busy last night.
So I tried https (S), and it made no difference.
(Well a few complaints about certificates, but that was easy)
I tried both manually and automatically.
No luck with either.
I upgrade java to make sure it was not that.
I am wondering if my current version 2.7.0 is too old, and I need to
switch to an intermediate version first. But no idea where to get one.
Thanks,
-Mark