If possible the Magic Home controllers work best with the Node Server. The other values in the ISY is very crude and basic.

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Lutron...

@alf there is a Polyglot for MyQ - you could run that and then program it in the ISY directly. I would go that route if it was me as its a cleaner way to do what you want.

I have same one and had insteon dimmers fail or required reset after power loss a few times. 

I suspect something else is happening. This item is what Smarthome tech support recommends and has tested for use with Insteon.

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I found this in my basement. The Elk could work with this kind of leak sensor?
Direct Plug-In ?

Yes its a direct two wire. Should be fine. Give it a test. Again 2-wire are not supervised though. Water leaks are simple devices. Those can screw to a baseboard or back of a cabinet so they stay in place. You can also use a dab of silicone to keep it from being pushed to a corner of the cabinet etc.

Ok test done 46mA during the opening or closing state, and 3mA totally closed or totally open. Not a big deal! Seem well made and 3 other wire for state of the valve.

 

If I do an automatic cycle each month to avoid the valve to stick, this thing will do the job.

 

 

Nice. Seems your all good to go! Do you have the WSOV wires in the Elk panel? If so I bet you would have enough power to run 4 wire GRI 2600s and the WSOV directly from the Elk panel without anything extra. Then in the Elk rules schedule a monthly close and open with an email to you letting you know it worked. You could time it at some random time late in the morning say 3am when your not likely to be using water.

 

Edit: I also agree with @apostolakisl post above. Not that he cares! lol jk [emoji1787]

 

Yes, you have to have the xep.  
Arm/Disarm from ISY program, no.  But you can arm/disarm from ISY console without the Elk module.  You could indirectly arm/disarm by having ISY change the status of an INsteon device to something specified in an Elk rule, triggering the Elk rule to arm/disarm.
Elk can send you notifications of being armed/disarmed via email, email to text, or a phone call.  This is all Elk . . . ISY not involved.
Elk rules work very very reliably (If I really need something to happen for sure, I don't use ISY, I used Elk rule even with the Elk module).  As far as limitations, I don't know, I mean they are different languages and each has its up and downs.
I have my leak detectors hard wired to Elk.  And yes, my Elk speakers announce a water emergency, call central station, and shuts the water off.  I consider the water thing a security system thing, not home automation, and it resides entirely on Elk.  My ISY has no role at all in the water thing.

Agree 100% and I personally never recommend Insteon for these situations. That said, some have different risk factors than others and I don’t judge. Not something I would do but if other do its their prerogative. I do love Elk systems and the things they are capable of.

While I can't speak specifically to an Insteon water detector, Elk rules can respond to the status of (most, many, all???) Insteon devices natively(light switches for sure, I've done it) without the ISY Elk module.  If you export your Insteon config from ISY and import to Elk, the devices will all be there ready to use in either the "Whenever" section or the "Then" section.  From there, you can hardwire the water valve to the Elk, or you can use an Insteon i/o link to control the valve.  Again, not 100% sure if Elk can talk to Insteon devices natively that aren't standard light switches.  Again, none of this requires the Elk module.  When you import the Insteon network into Elk, the Elk will use the ISY as a passthrough device relaying the lighting commands to the PLM.
Go to the 27 minute mark in this video.  https://www.elkproducts.com/m1-integration-partners/insteon
Though I still think the $99 is worth it for the module.

Wow TBH I never knew this, I thought the Elk only showed up after purchasing the module. Egg on my face if this is true, which since you do it, then, egg on my face! However it does still need the M1XEP. I still stand by my post though.

Can you arm and disarm your system?

What about notifications when the elk is armed/disarmed?

How well do the Elk rules work vs a direct ISY program? Limitations?

*Also cool thing to do is have the Elk speaker sound/speak/notify you “Water Leak Detected in X” - because when your sleeping you wont see any notifications! [emoji3]

Ok same little I/O link you can use for old torch lamp ? Good to know. Bad the Elk pannel can't be used. The fact the battery backup can be use even during a power outage it's a good thing..
https://www.insteon.com/on-off-micro-module
So, you tell me that the module is worth the amount? I could use my 5 insteon sensors without problems?
https://www.insteon.com/leak-sensor
 

So first thing is you need to first figure out does the water shutoff valve need power to keep it closed or open? OR does the power just turn it on and off? Sometimes there can be communication issues plugging a Insteon device into a power strip or UPS so you will have to test and make sure it’s reliable too but that could be an option for backup. Obviously your taking a risk here if it cant communicate, but the same could be said for the actual water leak sensors being wireless and battery operated sending the command. Theres a thread here for water leak programs thats really good, do a search. It will monitor heatbeats and notify you for low battery etc.

Assuming the WSOV always needs power then a second option could be you add an extra panel with battery to the Elk panel (Elk-P624) and wire the shutoff valve to it for power/backup. The downside is IF the shutoff valve needs power to keep it closed then you need to figure out the total power draw for the WSOV (water shutoff valve) for the battery to drain. Would this give you ample time? This would also assume your wire for the WSOV goes to the Elk panel. If you just need power to open and close this is the best route.

Lastly if you can wire the water leaks you can use a GRI water leak sensor direct to Elk panel and then use the panel to power them and the WSOV. You just need to make sure again you have enough battery backup for the valve and security if you have a power outage. The nice thing about the Elks WSOV is it only needs power to turn on and off, then it can plug in directly to the panel for power and the single battery backup is enough.

At the end of the day your still going to need the Elk module for the Insteon to Elk communication.

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So I really need the $99 security to do with I want to do?

 

https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY-994i_Series_INSTEON:ELK_Security_Module

 

Yes because the only way the ISY water leak detectors can communicate to the Elk (Insteon to Elk) is via the ISY module. If you want to put in normal wired water leaks then you can use the Elk direct and use rules. I am an Elk installer/reseller and use the ISY Elk Module with Elk all the time, well worth the $100. I am not 100% certain the water shutoff valve will work direct with the Elk panel either. You may have to use an IOLinc to turn it on if water is detected. Some of those need the power to stay closed to keep it in the closed position if the water zone is violated. They have different versions and when I called USS customer service for another customer who wanted the cheaper version they couldn’t give me a straight answer, so I stayed with the Elk water shutoff.

Do you have the Elk water shutoff valve and Elk module for the ISY?

Thanks, wasn't sure why secure port would be needed on the LAN.

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There was a change in the secure protocol and it broke it. The only way for Elk/ISY to communicate now is via nonsecure port but as stated already it wont matter bc its on the same network. There was a long thread about this maybe last year around this time.

Make sure that the port info is correct and your using the non-secure port. You also need to enter a valid alarm code pin in the isy setup.

I am pretty impressed with the HomeBridge addition to my setup. Having Siri control everything is much faster than having Alexa controlling via voice commands. I take the responsiveness is due to HomeBridge being on the local network compare to Alexa having to go out to servers then back in for control. A plus is having voice control if the internet goes out. 
I have added all of the devices and over a dozen cameras with the ffmpeg plugin as well. 
One device that did not recognize was my 2gig CT100 Thermostat. Anyone have any ideas? 

Good to hear you got it working. I could never get all the scenes properly shown. I have yet to go back and try the newest version though. Could be my config settings.

Do you see speed issues (lag)? I used this company before for transferring all my gmail emails out of gmail to another provider and while it worked it was slow. Also IIRC they did charge a fee.

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I'm basically working on re-writing most of the plugins I've written for HomeSeer.  The eventuality of a "market place" or some method (donations?) of getting paid for nodeserver's however would be very nice considering I don't make money from installs but from doing the software development/integration/programming of systems.

Are these all in the ISY Polyglot cloud store?

Guys you're killing me... look at all of the Polyglot nodeserver's to write now with people buying up systems to run them on... sheesh!!! [emoji4]
 

Have you released anything?

The downside of lutron caseta over the isy with Insteon and/or zwave is the lack of conditional programming. This is why I choose control 4 over radio ra2

Doesn't Control4 offer the conditional logic above the RadioRA2 layer?  Caseta Pro hub integrates with the same telnet interface.  At that point the lights are just another device under Control4.
Are you now using Control4 on top of ISY/Insteon then?  Are you using the ISY for control logic and not Control4?

Yeah that makes no sense most have integration directly with the other systems, so why not use the logic there bridging it all systems together? I prefer to keep each system “clean” and then all the macros, logic, etc in one area whatever that maybe.

ATEOTD theres many ways to cook a hamburger and none of us are right and wrong. Just personal preference.

Individually the lighting control of Lutron is great.  Add in the other pieces of home automation and Lutron does not provide all of the pieces.

• Thermostat?  Yes if you have Central A/C if not then you're out of luck
• I/O Interfaces?  Yes with RA2 but not the lower end Caseta
• Integrated Fan/Light?  No.  Lutron still does not offer that for RA.  Only available with Maestro switch
• Budget?  Have lots of money for a Smart Home... Great!... Lutron it is along with RTI, URC, Control4, etc etc (BTW most C4 gear is ZigBee)... if not?  But you still want quality?

The area I work with is not a very wealthy area to begin with but there are more middle-class that want Smart Home setups beyond voice control or mobile app to turn a lamp on/off.  The flexibility of ISY and other controllers with programming/integration makes a strong combination.  The current weak link is user interface... People like to see status and touch things for control especially touchscreens that make it "modern".  
Now I did not say I was installing Z-Wave for lighting [emoji4]
 

Thats whats so wonderful about access to all these systems and devices, so much to choose from and you can make sure your customers best interests are met rather than forcing too much or not having enough.

that I can then use with customers.

Why are you installing Insteon (or ZWave) with an ISY for customers say over a Lutron Caseta or Select system? The Lutron app is free, you can give them access to make changes and the communication issues are non existent. Add to the ease of using a iphone to program the system quickly onsite, I don’t see the benefits anymore for Insteon/ZWave/ISY. Add to the fact voice control etc.

What about using a variable? If the gate is open gate=1 - if not 0 - when gate=1 then announce. I use the Honeywell Outdoor sensor and echo speaker and it just repeats inside and send push notifications if the gate is open. Same issue for me (my dogs).

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Yes, I am an av installer.  In my mind, based on my experience with the ISY it doesn't matter to me if its a DIY or not.  I've installed the ISY in a number of projects and my customers love them.  However, this is the first of such size.

I don't mean to start anything, but if your an installer you should already know the best options out there. IMHO posting an installer question on an ISY forum is not going to yield the best results. Most here are DIYers who are heavly invested in the ISY/Insteon. Second that with no access and price point of C4, RTI, Lutron.

I am an installer as well and as much as I love the ISY and the various Insteon products there are, for a 10,000 sq ft home I wouldn't even attempt it for the sake of communication errors.  The bottom line is does the client want to pay for the better equipment and budget? Then create the best system you are familiar with and install it. Otherwise your going to lose money (aka time) in call backs and troubleshooting.

 

Are you an AV installer? C4 and RTI are dealer only products not DIY. For a home that large I would do Lutron RadioRA2 with RTI.