Teken
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12 minutes ago, matapan said:
Thanks to everyone for their replies. I could not tell from the official documentation what the proper behavior is supposed to be. This gives me a baseline from which to work from to better understand the device's behavior and how to use it.
Just some things to keep in mind and consider if the units purchased are old. The advertised ten years will never be seen. Replace them with Energizer Lithium cells knowing they will offer you no less than eight solid years if not ten!
Take a few moments regardless of the type of batteries in place and place a dab of dielectric grease. This will promote conductivity, reduce moisture, and God forbid there is a battery leak.
It will prevent the battery terminals from being corroded / rusted. Smear a lite coat of the same on the plastic housing as this will prevent the case from melting and breaking apart. On the small metal round feet dab some WD-40, Dielectric grease, Deoxit as this will prevent the very cheap material breaking down! ?
Lastly, if your sensors (antenna) aren't a shade / hue of yellow or some other odd color just accept the fact Smartlabs, Smarthome, Insteon used the absolutely cheapest material known to man and deal with it!
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Just to clarify there were three releases of the leak sensor. The first generation would reset its state once the wet condition at the sensor wasn’t detected - no user intervention required.
The interim and very short lived second iteration of the leak sensor would behave the same way as the first but would also flash its LED.
The last iteration requires the user to manually reset the sensor. There is no way to change this behaviour at the user level.
There are use cases for both behaviours. The problem as was in the past Smarthome / Smartlabs / Insteon provided NO information to the changes!-
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Almost forgot - Release the hardware for our brothers across the pond for Christ sakes! Along with anyone else from Asia, Europe, Middle East, there's only 7 freaking billion people out there besides North America! ?
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3 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said:
Look at us trading places. I hope I'm wrong. When they finally release product we'll see.
I'm not really worried about them selling hardware. What needs to change is allowing anyone (license) to build their own wares based on the Insteon technology. Selling the needed Insteon IC, Programmer, and direct support from engineers.
Work toward releasing iCS3 which incorporates real encryption . . .
Offer both the Nokia (Lets call it the pro line) and continue to sell the bread and butter Insteon line. Spend the extra $3~8 dollars for quality board level components!
Lastly, f^cken iterate the line and build on the hardware's success! ?
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30 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said:It will be. Looks like some of the worst people (1 specifically) will be returning unfortunately.
See now you went out of your way to burst my bubble! ? I had the smallest sliver of hope this new guy / team would come through.
Now . . .
Only to find out there's still an imbecile in the house . . . ??
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I don't know why this comes off as a shell game where Michel at UDI never had a chance in winning this so called bankruptcy / shut down. I gave both the previous clowns a chance to prove themselves over the course of twenty years. ?
Both failed at every turn and burned the company into the dirt. ?
If the new owners states they will allow third party vendors to make Insteon hardware like UDI PLM Pro. I'll give them the rope they need and the time to get the so called company underway.
If we see no other public engagement with the customer base - besides this posting.
The writing is on the wall this is the same incompetent as^holes running the show! ?
I haven't been wrong yet as it relates to Insteon / Smarthome management . . .
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I had this on the radar for quite a while but simply forgot. As a quick break fix I changed my SMTP to another email provider: GMX
Later I enabled 2FA on my Google account and followed their instructions to obtain their 16 character randomly generated password.
I inserted the same into a few network appliances and email has been restored. When time permits I’ll try the same on the three ISY Series Controllers.
NOTE: I used the same method on another appliance but it didn’t work. The vendor indicated other security formatting needed to be updated (firmware) to their network appliance for this to work.
I’ll make a how to later unless someone beats me to it today.-
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32 minutes ago, FloridaGary said:
I am a new IoP owner with all Insteon devices. Basic programming has gone well with all of my devices, but now getting ready to set up my leak sensors. I found this article from 2019, so I wanted to reach out to the ISY pro’s to confirm this is the best way to go for setting up the leak detectors. Appreciate all comments in lay terms for us non-geeks. Thanks!
I have to say the author of that web blog did a fantastic job in laying out all of the steps. @FloridaGary Thanks for sharing this new resource with the community! ?
Rock On . . . ???
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3 hours ago, Bumbershoot said:I haven't paid Flume a single ¢ since I bought the thing, and the API has always been accessible. The accuracy seems astonishing to me as well, as the reported monthly water usage have been only a couple of gallons different from what my utility sees, and this is without device calibration. I'm impressed with this device, so far, and it works well with the Flume Node server. @hart2hart, are you getting value from the subscription?
I'll take your word for it since you've always been a straight *shooter* <- See what I did there? ?Having Alpha / Beta tested their hardware early on the system was less than stellar in almost every way.
If things have changed that's great to hear . . . ?
I will continue to use the tried and true method with zero errors because it just works! ? As it relates to the application / API I gather this announcement means those who had the most basic access now is able to have all the fancy bells and whistles???
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Off the top of my head I don’t recall any serious company ever asking money for their application and API?!?
This isn’t music, video, or a game . . .
I could understand if they restricted access to big players or asked for a NDA as it relates to the API. But, 99.99999% of all so called cloud only services offer both free!
Because that drives adoption, market share, and long term growth.
The fact people even considered paying for one or both just shows a lack of common sense for a half aszz product. [emoji1787] -
At least I am forward looking. [emoji16]
... And still 100% insteon on UDI. [emoji847]
I swear you guys have some of the best one liners. Some of you missed your calling in stand up comedy! [emoji106][emoji1787]-
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This isn't good for anyone hoping to take over the IP and other assets in a reasonable time frame. With courts involved it will drag out a year or two and the biggest asset, the customer base, will have moved on. Technology is like groceries, it does have a short shelf life. Users of Insteon cloud will probably have switched protocols long before this is resolved. Insteon will be relegated to the X10 category, only of interest to the most hard core user like us UDI fans. IMO.
@LFMc being a Debbie downer that’s so unlike you! [emoji1787]-
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4 minutes ago, Techman said:
Here's some reliable but unverified information on the Smartlabs/Smarthome shutdown.
They tried to file bankruptcy about two years ago, but the case was dismissed by the Judge.
They defaulted on their lease at 1621 Alton Parkway and were in arrears on their rent.
I don't follow a person / company doesn't *Try* to file for bankruptcy its literally done. Whether or not you receive protection against those (creditors) who have first dibs on your assets / cash is different.
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4 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said:
You already know my history with insteon so i just want to respond about some of what you've posted.
No expansion- J. Dada Used insteon as his toy to satisfy him and his friends needs. I think he truly meant well at one point but wasn't focused on seeing those ideas through. He wanted to be able to say he did something vs putting forth the effort to do it properly. This is why Europe had product but they really didn't push for it. He was more interest in saying insteon was world wide than seeing it through completely.
Deprecated hardware- Most of the stuff disco'd after purchase needed to be disco'd. If i had bought the company, i would've done the same. The only difference would've been colors. I would've kept the top 2 options after white.
The only thing I really think they completely screwed up on was getting rid of their other smart home products. The 3rd party products is what would float them when insteon sales were down and vice versa. I would've got rid of the junk stuff and focused on making it the biggest source of home automation tech out there.
Nokia Rebrand- I would've done the same to get out from under all the bad reviews that still haunted them years after they were corrected. The difference with me however would've been to capitalize on my built in user base as that meant instant sales base. I would've focused on making the product available to anyone who wanted to support it- which leads to my next statement.
Jealousy- Most of what went wrong IMO is jealously. Things turned sour because the dynamic went from UDI making a device that controlled insteon and them needing insteon (even if only in their mind) to insteon needing UDI. They hated that dynamic. Instead of seeing UDI as a partner they could grow with, they saw them as competition. Some in management said they were going to make a controller that would put the isy to shame (more on that later)
They used to get on their tech support because none wanted to push insteon controllers. All would steer customers away from insteon hubs to the Isy. I think this played a major part as to why Rob wanted to go at it alone. He was an investor there before they got JD to sell.
Homekit. This was their downfall. This was the beginning of the end. When they were picked for homekit, they went way in over their heads. This is partly why I defended @Michel Kohanim decision NOT TO support homekit so vigorously.
Prior to homekit, they were working on I3 with a new chip design and a slew of new features such as being able to tune the power line signal to get away from noise, decouple the signal from zero crossing, etc. Had it come to fruition, it would've been spectacular. We had a few talks back then about it. Around this time, they wanted the hub3 to provide conditional logic to provide a challenge to Isy. Even employees laughed which didn't go over to well.
Once Apple picked them, all eggs went into the homekit basket. Apple's changes forced rewrite after rewrite of their software (partly why Hubpro sucked so bad). They allowed a company that knew nothing of automation tell them how to automate and the results spoke for itself. They never recovered from the Hubpro fiasco. Had they sat back, waited, and simply followed everyone else, they could've slapped a chip in the hubpro to allow insteon devices to be controlled like everyone else, and been ok. Instead they went all in, lost everything, and lack of new products killed them.
Liquidation- Up until Oct./Nov. I think they were really looking at staying afloat. With no products sell they couldn't hang on.
I just want to argue with you so much - just can't! ?
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Here is another article: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/04/shameful-insteon-looks-dead-just-like-its-users-smart-homes/
Awesome - I want to see this news spread and plastered all over the world! Picked up by all the major news organizations and tech community.
Shame the f^ck out of this dirty rat.-
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1 hour ago, RPerrault said:
saying its ironic that you say you don't know what the plan was
the next sentence - you declare the plan was a failure
There's no irony simply you don't understand the facts presented by me as I have been watching this company for more than twenty years. I'll give you an analogy and if you can't follow how it relates to what I stated many times - that's on you.
A person comes upon a car accident and the end result is the driver killed another person by running them over.
The end result are two people are dead . . .
Do the authorities stop there?!?!
No, they ask the question(s) of why . . .
They literally take all of the data they can obtain from first hand witnesses. Video surveillance, and of course a post mortem. When they piece all of the evidence together they find that at that very moment in time the light was red. The driver was drunk and clearly blew over the 0.08 limit and had no ability to react when the lights were solid red or when the person stepped into the intersection.
It doesn't end there because video evidence and people on the ground state the pedestrian was doing what???
Wait for it . . .
Head buried deep in their cell phone texting all the while blasting their ghetto music. No awareness or care of their surroundings and just walked out into the intersection like an idiot.
5th graders are taught what before stepping out???
So, are the material facts two people are dead or because it was completely avoidable and other factors played into an outcome that could have been avoided???
Could that dirty sh^t running Insteon / Smartlabs offered a final good bye??? It's only been 48 hours and counting and still nothing from this POS . . . What the public has been able to *Observe* just like the car accident are the bread crumbs of FACTS . . .
- Everyone from the company have removed any mention or association of Insteon
- Everything is shut down and no one is manning the phones / emails.
- Inventory being liquidated
- No new hardware being replaced or upgraded
- Existing hardware being deprecated
- No expansion to other markets to drive sales
- Spun up a new brand under Nokia to get away from the stench of Insteon
- The hundreds of other stupid things rolled out under the lead imbecile are too numerous to rehash here.
- As others stated follow the money, follow the trends, follow the actions.
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with all due respect - you make a lot of assumptions about them - came close with this
Nobody will every truly know what the overall intent was with this guy. But, his and the companies actions prove out their plan was a epic failure.
first part is probably true - we don't know - but then you declare the plan that you don't know - a failure
I have no clue what you’re saying.
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