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I hope I'm putting this topic in the correct sub-forum. I'm not completely sure if it's an echo issue or a portal or ISY issue (meaning I'm possibly doing something incorrectly with either one of those). I'm trying to control an Insteon dual on/off outlet 2663-222 with my echo dot and having trouble. I'm on Firmware/UI 4.5.4. I have set up a spoken word of "kitchen plug in" which controls the bottom outlet of my on/off outlet. This outlet works fine on mini remote control, KPL control, as well as via programs and scenes. Alexa hears me correctly when I say "Alexa turn kitchen plug in on." She responds, however, with "That command doesn't work on device kitchen plug in," but then a second later, it switches on. Sometimes it works faster and she just says "OK" like normal. The same thing happens when I try to switch it off. Usually it switches off after hearing "that command doesn't work on device kitchen plug in" but sometimes it doesn't turn off at all. Every other spoken word I have set up is working flawlessly. This is the only one giving me trouble.

Incorrect. It's been reported by others as well that when you put the iolinc relay in a scene and set the on level to 0 for the relay, turning the scene on turns the relay on. Maybe we're misunderstanding each other or I'm just misunderstanding you, but this is what happens.

I fixed it by just leaving the iolinc out of the scene and writing a program to control the relay. Too bad that "0" on doesn't work for the iolinc like it does for dimmers. Thanks to the isy to have a workaround!

I just ran into this "issue" as well. I have an all on/off scene, and wanted to set my iolinc to an on level of 0 so that when all the lights are commanded on, the iolinc doesn't turn on. Likewise, I want the iolinc to turn off when all the lights are commanded off (scene is commanded off), if the iolinc is on. I'm guessing the only way to fix this is to not have the iolinc in the scene and write a couple programs to control the iolinc when the scene is commanded on/off. Any other suggestions or is this probably the best way?

I believe this is normal behavior. I've gotten used to just double tapping on to go to full brightness from the initial level on any of my 3-way switches. Unfortunate indeed to see that LED tick up but nothing happen to the light or other switch, when it works from the other switch...

A program it will be then. Thanks.

I have a 3-way light setup with 2 switchlinc dimmers. Both of them are set to default on to 50%, and the scene is set to 50% on as well. After I turn on either switch, the lights come on at 50%, and both switches show the light half way up, as expected. If I hit on again, the switch that is controlling the load will go to 100%, and the lights will go to 100%, but the other switch stays at 50%. If I hit the switch that is NOT controlling the load again after turning the scene on, the switch that is controlling the load stays at 50% and the lights stay at 50%, but the switch I pressed again goes to 100%. Is there a way to make a second tap of either switch make both switches and the lights go to 100% without a program? A quick double-tap (fast on) accomplishes exactly what I want, BUT, I want the same thing to happen if the lights have already been on at 50% for a while. Thanks.

Smart.. they "caught on" and lost out on a ~$500 sale since I was expecting something similar to last year to happen.

Hoping so! Afraid they only changed the "black friday 20% off" to "cyber monday 20% off" this year..

https://joscor.com/2015/02/insteon-75790-video-recording-cgi-api/ if that doesn't work, just go to joscor.com, link is near top of page

The program will catch it and turn the button on. I do something similar with all of my kpl6 d buttons. Any single light being on will turn it on via program. Pressing the button is an all off scene. Instead of setting some devices to a 0 on level, however, i have the button set to non-toggle off so that it only turns the scene off. Interesting idea to use it in toggle mode to only turn on certain devices in the all off scene though. I may consider doing that.

Agreed. Variables seem to be over used only because they are there. I have many programs and the only variables i have ever needed are the ones that are used in the leak sensor program that someone else wrote.

Success! Thanks guys.

Thanks. I will just have to identify if the supply hot coming into the one switch box comes there first or if it goes to one of the wall boxes first. I guess it's more likely that it would go to a wall box first, otherwise there would be a neutral present in the switch box... I'll definitely need to spend more time on this to figure out/understand your suggestion which would not require a micro module.

Stu, could you please elaborate on the "simply change a couple of connections?" I have a hallway with wall sconces with a 3-way switch. Both switch boxes only have 3-wire cables in them (black, white, red), all of which are hot. The white isn't marked in any way, so I wrapped some black electrical tape around the white wire in each box as what should have been done by the electrician... I have identified which black wire in which switch box is always hot, but even if I were to use a micro module in one of the wall sconce boxes to control the lights, I don't follow how to get a neutral to the switch boxes to power the switchlincs. It seems like the rf-only switches would be my only option, but I already have regular switchlincs and LED bulbs, so rf-only switchlinc is not ideal. Thanks for any help.

Excellent information thank you so much.

Glad you got it all figured out. I'm doing the same thing as you, that is using a kpl button to reflect the status of a lamplinc dimmer. What works for me is having the button and lamplinc in a scene with both as controllers. This works properly regardless of whether i use the button on the kpl, the button on the lamplinc, or mobilinc. Every method results in all statuses being reflected properly. I have no scenes for these devices with any responders. Don't know why this works this way but it works. No programs either, just one scene with two controllers.

It's probably a kpl switch, not a kpl dimmer.

It makes a lot more sense with a KPL since you have the status lights. I only have the remotelinc2, so there's no light on it or status of any sort to update with a scene. Regardless, I changed my program to control a scene since I decided I do like the idea of the program not having to change when the scene changes. This is all starting to make more sense now. It will also be better to have it this way in the future if I do get a KPL.

Good catch, thanks! Fixed.

Ahh.. that's a key point. It would definitely seem weird with more devices turning on in sequence instead of at the same time. Thanks for the explanation.

I noticed that with the direct device control in the program, it even correctly updates the scene value for the two lights when the program runs, so there's no issue with the scenes. A lot of people seem to prefer using a scene in a program, but I'm still not sure why. If I were to add a responder to the scene, the program would now do something different. The way I have it now, it will ONLY control the two lights I have listed directly on/off, instead of whatever is in the scene. This might be preferred. Maybe my confusion comes from the possibility that older ISY firmware couldn't control a device directly, if that's true? Regardless, LeeG, I thank you for your reply.

Question for the INSTEON experts regarding direct device or scene control. This is working fine, but would it be better to make a scene with my living room lamp at 25% and hall light on, then use the program to control the scene on/off instead of the direct device control like I'm doing below? Living room lamp is the insteon LED 8W bulb, hall light is micro on/off module. I have a scene with a remotelinc2 controlling both lights as well, could I use that scene or would it be better to create a new scene with no controller and only the 2 responders? Again, what I currently have works, I'm just wondering what best practices are. I remember reading something about always using scenes in the ISY and never direct device control, but I'm not sure why. If On Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu From Sunset To 11:00:00PM (same day) Or On Sat, Thu, Fri From Sunset To 11:59:00PM (same day) Then Set 'Hall Light' On Set 'Living Room Lamp' 25% Else Set 'Hall Light' Off Set 'Living Room Lamp' Off Thanks for any help! I'd just like to understand the device/scene/program interaction a little better.

How did you find it? Just unplug one thing at a time and check the response of all insteon devices a bunch of times? Sent from my SGH-I317M using Tapatalk

I feel really bad for people who spend their hard earned money and precious time on this thing and its junk. At the same time I'm grateful for them posting on this forum to warn others. The thermostat was one of the things I was most excited about in getting an insteon system, but unfortunately I still don't have anything on my isy for hvac control yet. Here's to hoping the 2441th is redesigned soon with all of this overwhelming feedback about it. Sent from my SGH-I317M using Tapatalk