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ISY Programs have "Run at Startup Feature".as Teken pointed out. Write a program with no condition that simply turns the device on Go to to program summary tab and right click on the program name to set each of these Disable (so the logic won't run, but it can still be run directly by Run at Startup) Turn on "run at startup" (to do what you want) Here is my program (Its called New Program) If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set 'Family Room / Doorwall Lamp' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') The Attached picture shows how the Program should look in the Summary tab

All of your feedback is great and very much appreciated. It helps me to understand different ways of looking at this. Thank you I started with an ideal world of one program for a particular function. However the ISY's folder structure lets things be organized and filed discretely which keeps it organized for management. Multiple programs should be fine if I organize my HA life well in the ISY Admin Console. I'm guessing I am not losing a lot of memory, resources or performance from my ISY by having multiple programs for a function vs one program for a function with an 'else'. Programming logic is programming logic. I will start with 2 programs as proposed by Lee, get some experience and practice, and move forward carefully. The reasoning is that my HA system has gone from 'hobby' to 'production' over the years, and I owe it to those at home to be able count on it. Which counts on me knowing what I am doing Moving functions to the ISY is proving to be very straightforward. Again, thanks for sharing your knowledge on how if-then-else functions in my ISY. Regards, Paul

Hi Stu I picked control because that made sense to me.. Why does status work with one program and control requires 2? I like 1 program better, but I don't fully get it. Regards Paul

Thanks for that clarification Lee, that gives me what I need Regards Paul

I'm a new ISY user and trying to work out some basic logic. I'm writing a following program to replace similar logic in my previous HA system. What I want is for Fan Temp Sensor, to turn on the attic fan when its triggered. When it turns back off, I want to wait 20 minutes, and then turn the fan off. If the Fan Temp Sensor turns back on again in that time, I want things to start all over again and wait for Fan Temp Sensor to turn off again. This functionality is time tested in my house, I don't want the fan cycling on and off, the 20 minute wait makes sure that the attic is really cooled down enough for the fan to go off. Here is the sample program: If Control 'Attic / Fan Temp Sensor-Sensor' is switched On Then Set 'Attic / Fan Low Speed' On Else Wait 20 minutes Set 'Attic / Fan Low Speed' Off Here is my question: How literal the 'Else' ? Is it literally the opposite of the If statement, meaning If that sensor turns off instead of on, the 'else' becomes true? Or will any other conditions besides that IOlinc switching on are will trigger the else? Thanks Paul

Thanks io_guy I have some ductboosters to control based on mode and other local changes. The local api was a big factor for me for that reason. I've also had a cool air recirculator on the house project list and will cut costs here in Michigan's bipolar (literally) weather. The T5900's ability to directly control that is a big plus. Its a very advanced, well engineered device. I also love the functionality and the social media reviews of the Skyport mobile apps. I am looking forward to some WAF points on that feature. The HVAC setup in my house can involve walking around at night. Letting her adjust one stat, and then auto-bumping the other stat with the ISY will be very well received.

telljcl Thank you for conducting your experiments and sharing your results. I have my first T5900 and planning for my second. Your reviews and stories have been helpful (along with io_guy's). The automated thermostat space is changing rapidly and 'compare and contrast' summaries make a difference. For the T5900, have you used the skyport mobile apps, if so what is your \view of them? Regards Paul

I fully agree that the stat itself should be located in a normal room environment. However it does support an external sensor, and that can be located in more extreme temperatures. The ZTH displays that value in a special spot on the thermostat's screen. The question is, can the ISY read that special external temperature value.

There is this remote sensor accessory for the ZTH, its range might be ok depending how cold your freezer is: -13° to 185°F (-25° to 85°C). I don't know if the ISY can see the temperature for it though, someone else here might be able to say for sure.

Michel That 'straight answer' is greatly appreciated (as always). The reality is that the interruptible service is under the power company's control, and I its more important to manage my house off the main meter via the ISY. I can look on line to the power company's site to read my interruptible AC costs. This helps me plan my implementation, thank you. Regards Paul

I'm discussing smart meter installation with my power company. I currently have interruptible power for my AC system and it has a separate meter. My power company says when I switch to smart meters, I will keep interruptible AC and have 2 smart meters, one for the house and one for interruptible AC. Can the ISY talk to multiple meters? In the installation pdf under My Electricity and Provision the Meter , it shows the opportunity to select from multiple PANs. Without configuring the meter, it’s tough to tell if I can talk to more than one. Any experience or thoughts on this?

I've used both. I got a measurable improvement when I added the insteon coupler.Fair to say that both work, but the insteon coupler works better for me. I have it and the insteon coupler plugged into the same box at the panel

Hi MIchel Ok, ticket submitted, thanks Paul

I am new ISY user coming from another HA package. I was able to get all my devices added to the ISY by adding devices with "add devices found in links and keep existing links". My network has a lot of lighting controlled from the switch controller to the lighting controller, deleting those links would disable existing functionality When I did this, I ended up with 48 scenes, numbered 4 through 136, with some duplicate scene numbers. The duplicate scenes have links to different devices in them. I need to both rename the scenes to make sense to my set up, and resolve duplicate scenes and delete them. I believe i can figure this out by walking through the devices rename scenes logically. The problem I have is where there are multiple scenes with the same number and different scene contents. I think this is what I should do to resolve this Write all the scene numbers down and note duplicates Go through my ISY list by device/controller. Look at the associated "is a controller for" Look at the associated "is a responder for" validate that the scene contents make sense and/or fix rename "is a controller for" scenes and cross each off the list as I resolve them assume I can delete the remaining duplicate scene numbers left over at the end verify the final links for devices that are affected by duplicate scene numbers Does this sound like the right approach, any recommendations? Paul

What is being plugged into the outletlinc, a noisy device like motor, fan etc? Or a transformer? The problem is most likely a noisy load that overwhelms the outletlinc and locks it up, requiring the restart.

You can also shim the first plate with foil, milk jug plastic, etc, depending the wall and the box positioning

It comes with a plastic plate that mounts were the normal leviton cover. The cover you see snaps to that. It's worth getting one and playing with it to see what you think.

Yes, it can be tough and take a lot time to get right. Especially with metal gang boxes in older (circa 1950) homes Here is what I did. Leviton makes a nice decora switchplate set that has cover that snaps over. It leaves some room for the switch. This is not the best picture, but it gives you an idea of how it will look. That kept me from "sawing and banging" on the switch. It does take longer than i'd like to get the faceplate depth exactly right, but I have been able to do it

That's true brian. In that case the XPNR would need to be used. I have a number of those on low voltage lighting and my furnances. Its harder to deal with these as they need to be connected on the device side, in the device itself or special box added for that purpose.

I recently replaced the x10 supersockets outside my home for a virtual yard light circuit recently with outletlincs. 2 of them immediately exhibited the symptoms you did and I had to cut power to them to reset them after a few hours after being on. The recreate is simple: If the devices stay turned off, no problems. If load is switched on to the outletlinc powering the yard light transformers, after about an hour, the switch becomes unresponsive. Even the button locally on the outletlnc stops responding. cutting power to the outletlinc revives it... until load is on for another hour. THERE IS A FIX: I got home last night am plugged an x10 noise filter into the outletlinc, and the transformer into the noise filter. I was not able to recreate the problem after leaving the yard light transformer on all day The other solution is an X10 wire in filter installed in the noisy device itself, not in the wiring to the outletlinc from the house.

Hi Teken Sounds like a tough spot and sorry to hear that. Some thoughts: Something could be wrong with the unit and perhaps not your code? Eliminate firmware release candidate problem. Did you go to a new release candidate around the time it started losing it? Reset the ISY to factory and reload your configurations and code. Being relatively new I don't know how hard that is to do. The base OS/Firmware could have gotten trashed should be eliminated as a possibility Finally and hopefully not, could the ISY have a hardware problem caused by a power spike or something else? Is it possible to run diagnostics on it in its current state? If those things don't pan out, I think Michele is on the right track, shut down all programs, see what happens, then turn them on group at a time until it breaks. Hopefully that pinpoints where the problem is occurring, and then turn programs on / off until you narrow it down. If its code it could be one program, or two programs that unintentionally interact and 'run away' with the ISY. Paul

Bottom line: ISY support is better and easier to program. Homeseer offers the free range of .NET programming, if that is a skill you have; VB or C#. The ISY is stable product with a predictable, managed upgrade path. HS is in the middle of a long, slow upgrade from HS2 to HS3. I would spend some time reading the HS3 forums to get a temperature check of how that's going. Specifically, look at the forum for "Insteon Plugin by Homeseer". It needs a lot of work. If you go Homeseer, go with Mark Sandlers 3rd party Insteon plugin. It is more than worth the money. or BPWWERs ISY plugin if you choose to go ISY and Homeseer FYIW, I use ISY on a PLM, and keep my insteon hub running to use the Insteon mobile app to control basic devices from my phone. I find the ISY to be easy to program for basic Home Automation functions.

Agreed Teken We have talked about moving and it would be a mixed bag. I would want to leave it there for passive automated functions that would not have a different programming preference: 2 EZfloras and the iolinc temp sensor and hi speed low speed inline lincs for the attic fan. I could swap out the isy for a smaller version. There is one way to water the grass & one way to keep the upstairs cool by venting the attic. All the light switches, garage control, thermostats,.. everything else, would come out.

Jack, that is an interesting setup and you documented it well. Thanks for that thoughtful and complete response. I like having a rainsensor on a separate iolinc rather than the onboard on the EZflora; that seems to unconditionally shut the EZflora down which is not always the right thing when weather turns around and is hot again immediately. I think I see a Hydreon in my future Regards Paul

I have an intermatic I added about 12 years ago. I don't have any signal problems I attribute to it. It looks like the same case as this, though mine has 2 LEDs, one per phase. We have bad, noise power in my area and I attribute this device to no fried HA that I know of in 13 years. Its an Intermatic IG1240RC3 and mine is very similar to this