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That makes sense about the beeps causing issues. I just added a wait 3 seconds to the start of then, and went to go test it when I realized this program only benefits me when I'm home alone, as if I open the door right now it's going to start chirping in the bedroom lol. So I think I'll remove the beeps. I find them loud though, earlier it was going off and I was on the 2nd floor and it's on the 3rd and I thought for a second who is playing with the set button on a device!? Then realized it was the KPL program.

Thanks for the tips, I like that not using the variables! So I figured a couple things out but still having an issue. The reason the light wasn't working before was because I realized I had the light set after time out to Fade Down, thinking that meant Fade Down to Off, but it doesn't. So I had to put Fade Down and then Off and that works. The issue with it not working when the door opens is fixed by disabling my bedroom notification program. I have a KPL in my bedroom and a program set that when the front door opens, flash and beep the KPL lights and keep them on for 5 minutes, as the master in my house is on the 3rd floor and frequently the sound of neighbours sound like it's my own door. So it's nice to look over and see that the door hasn't opened. Anyway, if I disable this program, the foyer light works as expected, but if it's enabled, only it works and not the foyer light. Any idea why? Here's the program that causes the conflict, disabling this fixes the other. If Control 'Front Entry / Front Door- Door Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'Dining Room / Kitchen Door- Door Sensor' is switched On Or Status 'Garage / Garage Door-Sensor' is Off Then Repeat 3 times Set Scene 'Front Entry / Door Open Notice' On Set 'Master Bedroom and Bath / Ceiling Light' 250 (Beep Duration) Set 'Master Bedroom and Bath / Ceiling Light' 250 (Beep Duration) Set 'Master Bedroom and Bath / Ceiling Light' 250 (Beep Duration) Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Front Entry / Door Open Notice' Off Repeat 1 times Set Scene 'Front Entry / Door Open Notice' On Wait 5 minutes Set Scene 'Front Entry / Door Open Notice' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') *Scene 'Front Entry / Door Open Notice - is the 4 KPL buttons in the master bedroom as responders.

Awesome thanks! That makes total sense moving the light on to the second program. I'll do the waiting variable as well as that was probably coming later as I will want ways to keep the light on and so on. Thanks!

Hey everyone, what is wrong with the Insteon thermostat? Was going to buy it or a Z-Wave one haven't decided yet so was searching here and came across this thread. I have a normal furnace not a heat pump or anything. We have a programmable thermostat but never program it, normally it's in manual mode 99.99% of the time, where I'll just adjust the temperature myself. I don't have a C wire but could run one, or thought of maybe the RadioThermostat which takes a battery. I work from home so programs aren't helpful for me. I mostly wanted it so that when I wake up I could warm the house before I actually head downstairs, or if I'm at the airport after a flight, I could heat the house while driving home or things like that. I see a lot of negative reviews on the Insteon thermostat or people talking about reliability so was just wondering if it's really bad or? Like what kind of reliability? Like a program that's set to make it 72 at 8am or something only actually changes the temp 4 out of 5 days type thing or?

Great thanks! Just wanted to make sure I wasn't being insanely inefficient or something by having multiple programs and then find out there's a proper way to do it. Thanks for the help!

Thanks, that's fine, what about though the second part of my question in terms of putting it back the way it was? Like turn the light on, wait 5 minutes, and then evaluate multiple conditions? Like if variable is at 0, turn the light off, if it's at 1, set it to 25%, if it's at 2 set it to 50%, etc? That's where I get lost all the time, when I need an action to happen but based on different criteria. Or would I use multiple "Light off" programs, such as: If s.FrontDoorTripped = 1 and s.LightLevel = 0 Then wait 5 minutes, set light to 0, set s.FrontDoorTripped = 0 If s.FrontDoorTripped = 1 and s.LightLevel = 1 Then wait 5 minutes, set light to 25%, set s.FrontDoorTripped = 0 If s.FrontDoorTripped = 1 and s.LightLevel = 3 Then wait 5 minutes, set light to 50%, set s.FrontDoorTripped = 0 Etc? I always feel like having lots of programs is bad for some reason, but would that be the proper way to do it? The s.FrontDoorTripped variable is set to 1 when the door is open. So basically a different countdown timer program for each? Thanks!

Nearest would be the LampLinc plug in dimmer which is on the same phase, probably 10-15 feet away clear line of sight, other than through the door frame where the sensor is. Tried moving it maybe 5 feet away but same thing. A KPL in a metal box is probably also 5 feet away. I've never had issues with it before so not sure what is up, will check the logs but was mostly wondering if my program was the correct way basically to do it, as I want to rule out that it's my program causing the problems first. Thanks!

More general question, but I get confused when I have multiple things that I want in a program. For example, with Vera, I'd have my front door open, it would save the state of the light, set it to 100% brightness, and 5 minutes later change it back to the state it was in. I know ISY doesn't do status variables, but I thought I could break it down a little with normal variables. So for example: If light is off, variable = 0 If light is between 1-25%, variable = 1 If light is between 26-50%, variable = 2 If light is between 51-75%, variable = 3 If light is between 76-99%, variable = 4 If light is on, variable = 5 Just a rough example. Question is, do I need to make 6 different programs for that? One for If light is > 0 and < 26, set variable 1, then another program for the other levels? Or I thought it might work to cut it in half, such as: If light is off, and light is NOT between 1-25, set varialble to 0, else set it to 1. Then second program If light is between 26-50, and is NOT between 51-75, set variable to 2, else set it to 3, etc? Not sure if that would work? I know the first one would, but then when I get mixed up is writing a program. I was thinking I'd make it basically "If front door opens", step 1 is to disable the programs that monitor the status and set the variable, basically saving the status of the light in a general variable since it won't update again. Then turn the light on to 100%, wait 5 minutes, and then the last step is set the light back to where it was in a general value, such as "If variable = 3" I'd have it set the light to maybe 66% or something, so even if it was say at 74% when the door opened, it will put it back roughly where it was or close enough no one would notice. Hope that makes sense. So program is: Wait 5 minutes But my issue is right here. How do I then say "If variable is 0, set light to this. But if variable is 1, set it to this, if it's 2 set it to this, if it's 3 set to this etc." Like not sure what that's called in programming, but basically I want THEN to run, but then evaluate more conditions. I always get caught right here even with other programs, when I want further conditions to be evaluated etc. Thanks so much hope that was clear a bit

Not sure why I'm having issues with this, seems like such a basic program but giving be a headache. I have a hidden door sensor, and then a KPL at the front door. All I want is when the front door opens at any time of the day, if the light is off, turn it on for 5 minutes and then turn it off, otherwise do nothing. I tried doing something like: If Control Front Door Sensor is ON and Front Entry Light is OFF Then Set Front Entry Light ON, wait 5 minutes, Set Front Entry Light OFF That's how I'd do it on Vera, but that doesn't work to turn the light off as I assume it's because once the door closes the IF is no longer true so the Wait ends. So I did it like my normal motion sensor programs, and tried: If Control Front Door Sensor is ON and Front Entry Light is OFF Then Set Front Entry Light On, set variable S.FrontDoorStatus to 1 Then second program: If s.FrontDoorStatus is 1 Then wait 5 minutes, set Front Entry Light OFF, set variable s.FrontDoorStatus to 0 This seems to work, but what's weird is that the light only comes on when I open the door maybe 1 in 3 times. Sometimes I'll open it and just nothing happens, not even a delay just never comes on. Then other times it's fine. I feel like another program must be conflicting somewhere but not sure. Will post the logs when testing later, but thought I'd see first the best way to do this type of program? Thanks!

It's firmware 4.2.18. I'll try to do it again later and post the results again, just got home but I'll test it again after and see what happens.

Here's from a couple days ago, note that the program wasn't the same, I had it flashing for 1 second and a few other differences, but when it was really slow I captured this. I'll do it again when I get home, but figured this might help a little for now if it shows errors etc. No idea how to read this lol. Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:43 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:43 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:43 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 0 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:43 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:43 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [255] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:43 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 255 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:44 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 13 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:44 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.FF.F9 0F 30 64 06 BEEP (64) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:44 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.FF.F9 2C.08.F8 2B 30 64 BEEP (64) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:44 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.FF.F9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:44 PM : [iNST-DUP ] Previous message ignored. Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:44 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:44 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:44 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 0 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:45 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 11 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:45 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 2B FF F9 0F 30 64 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:45 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:45 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [255] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:45 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 255 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:45 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:45 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:45 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 0 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:46 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 13 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:46 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:46 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [255] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:46 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 255 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:46 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.FF.F9 0F 30 64 06 BEEP (64) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:47 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.FF.F9 2C.08.F8 2B 30 64 BEEP (64) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:47 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.FF.F9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:47 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:47 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 11 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:47 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:47 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 0 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:47 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:48 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 13 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:48 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [255] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:48 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 255 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:48 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:48 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:48 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 0 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:49 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 11 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:49 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 2B FF F9 0F 30 64 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:49 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:49 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [255] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:49 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 255 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:49 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.FF.F9 0F 30 64 06 BEEP (64) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.FF.F9 2C.08.F8 2B 30 64 BEEP (64) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.FF.F9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [iNST-DUP ] Previous message ignored. Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.FF.F9 2C.08.F8 23 30 64 BEEP (64) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.FF.F9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=0 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.FF.F9 2C.08.F8 23 30 64 BEEP (64) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.FF.F9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=0 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [iNST-DUP ] Previous message ignored. Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 13 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 11 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:50 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 0 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:51 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:51 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [255] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:51 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 255 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:52 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 13 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:52 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:52 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:52 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 0 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:53 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 11 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:53 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 2B FF F9 0F 30 64 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:53 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:53 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [255] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:53 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 255 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:53 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.FF.F9 0F 30 64 06 BEEP (64) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:54 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.FF.F9 2C.08.F8 2B 30 64 BEEP (64) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:54 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.FF.F9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:54 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 13 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:54 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 11 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:54 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:54 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:54 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 0 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:55 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:55 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [255] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:55 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 255 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:56 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 13 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:56 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 1B CF 11 00 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:56 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:56 PM : [VAR 2 10 ] 1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:56 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:56 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 0 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:56 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1B CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:56 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2B FF F9 7] [sT] [255] uom=0 prec=-1 Fri 11/14/2014 12:42:56 PM : [ 2B FF F9 7] ST 255

Hey everyone, I'm trying to make a program where I press a KPL button, it arms Away mode (which is just a variable changing from 0 to 1) after a delay like 30 seconds or so letting us leave the house, but also beeping/flashing while the countdown happens. The KPL is on my main floor, and on the same phase is a LampLinc about 10 feet away on an outlet, 2 SwitchLinc's maybe 15 feet away, another LampLinc one floor up directly above the KPL, and another KPL maybe 40 feet away on the same floor also on the same phase. Below is a quick program I did mostly as a test: If Control 'Front Foyer.G' is switched On Then Repeat 8 times Set Scene 'Front Foyer KPL G' On Set 'Front Foyer Light' 100 (Beep Duration) Wait 2 seconds Set Scene 'Front Foyer KPL G' Off Wait 2 seconds Repeat 1 times $s.HouseStatus = 1 Set Scene 'Front Foyer KPL G' On Set Scene 'Kitchen KPL D' On Set 'Front Foyer Light' 100 (Beep Duration) Set 'Front Foyer Light' 100 (Beep Duration) Set 'Front Foyer Light' 100 (Beep Duration) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') So few things, I have it as 2 seconds because 1 was giving issues but seems to be similar issue with 2 seconds. Also I'm not sure how to make something happen after a repeat, so that's why the last stage is Repeat 1 time as Repeat 0 doesn't make any of that trigger and Repeat 1 time seems to do it only once. Anyway the problem is that it's not consistent. Like I'll press the KPL button, it lights up and a second later it beeps, maybe 2 seconds later it beeps and flashes again, then it might sit there for 3 seconds and do nothing, and then flash twice and beep twice fast, then do the final few properly 2 seconds apart etc. I moved a LampLinc literally 2 feet away from it but it does the same thing, so I don't think it's an issue with range or coverage as there's so many devices near by. Seems like it can't keep up with beeping and what not. Not sure if the beep duration means time? Like is 100 1 second, 250 2.5 seconds etc? Could try to play with that but wanted to see first if this was the best way to make something beep, flash and repeat or if there's a more efficient way to do it, as ideally I'd like the kitchen KPL to also do the same thing and vice versa. As a side question, does anyone have any good examples of an "Arm AWAY" type program with an exit delay, that ideally shows feedback like flashing or beeping etc? Mine does work, but always feel like I'm reinventing the wheel lol. Thanks!

Hi ober, I know that works but TO was saying he had the KPL as a controller and responder in the same scene, unless I read wrong. So I was just saying it's still a good idea I think to have a scene that just has each KPL button in it as a responder, that way if you ever wanted to have that KPL button flash for example, you could use a program to turn that scene on and off, where as if you only have 1 scene with the KPL as controller and responder, I believe the lamp or whatever is part of that scene would also flash.

Oh yeah it definitely is grounded and what not, I think it's more when he built their house back in like 85-86 or so it probably wasn't required back then as I know most places say "If your house is newer than 25 years old it should have a neutral" so makes sense.

Hi everyone sorry I forgot about this thread. So after learning more about it from other posters in another thread, I found out that almost all my Insteon dual link devices are on phase 1, but the PLM in the basement was on phase 2, with only a single LampLinc upstairs also on phase 2. What's weird is couple months ago it always worked fine like this no issue and that was the Vera controlling it. (Bit of history, had the ISY couple months ago worked fine with PLM downstairs, ended up switching to Vera and having it and the Altsteon plugin control Insteon and I never had any issues with the garage. Switched back to using the ISY and the Garage doesn't work at all, so did a factory reset on the PLM with no success.) So I then moved the PLM upstairs to an outlet which is also phase 1 now, and doing that immediately caused the Garage IOLinc to register as a device, and the ! beside the Sensor to update and go away. That was a few days ago, whenever I started this post and so far everything has been perfectly fine. So will keep an eye on it but yeah been fine since then. I bought the PLM just a few months ago so not sure if you can tell the details on it but the bottom says 2413S V1.B, 1420.

Yeah I'm not sure the outlet situation as I don't have anything going there, but just the 2 switches down there don't have a neutral.

Oh I just mean where I happen to have Insteon gear all seems to be Phase 1. There's lots of Phase 2, they just all are rooms like the guest room, guest bathroom, gym, laundry room, outlet behind the couch, areas where I don't have a need for anything to go there. It's pretty easy to test with a LampLinc since it's so mobile, just go outlet to outlet and see what it does. Flash red it's on the same as the test device, and green it's opposite.

Oh that makes sense for security. I installed the 2nd KPL downstairs in the living room and it's also Phase 1. So almost my entire house is Phase 1, hunting to find anything on 2. As a side note, on my 3rd floor as mentioned just has a KPL, and then 2 LED bulbs, and RemoteLinc. Earlier I was trying to add the one LED bulb to a scene with the KPL and it would fail, couldn't find it or connect to it. So I went to the 2nd floor and took the LampLinc, plugged it in up on the 3rd floor, and the LED bulb updated immediately. So I then swapped the LED bulb in the lamp here with the LampLinc, and put the LED bulb in the lamp on the 2nd floor. Then I did a test scene to make a KPL button on the 3rd floor flash on and off every second. As mentioned way back, I'd have issues doing that such as coming on for 2 seconds, off for half a second, flashes super fast, etc. After moving the LampLinc up here, I did that same test and it flashes perfectly now, exactly every second with no lag or anything.

Well I was just thinking each entry having one labelled AWAY so when activated things like motion sensors will send notifications if tripped and so on.

Yeah I was looking at those packs but the problem was some of the buttons only include 1 like AWAY when I need 2 or 3 of them so thought might as well just make custom ones, but will see. Thanks!

Oh neat idea about the 4 large ones. That's great and good to know they are separate. I have 3 KPLs but still figuring out what I want to do with them all, so was hoping I could buy a couple of the 8 scene ones and then just do it like LAMP, LAMP, AWAY, AWAY, AWAY, etc and then mix and match, so that's great thanks!

Not really an ISY question but checked with Aartech Canada and they said $24.99 for the custom etched buttons in 6 scene or 8 scene. Do the buttons on a KPL change individually? Like can I buy an 8 scene KPL custom etched button pack, and have like 4 of them say LAMP, and 2 "AWAY" or something like that, and then put them in my various KPLs? Or is it the entire button plate that you are replacing, meaning you'd need to still say you want the top button to say ON, bottom OFF and so on? Thanks!

Yeah that definitely makes sense. I think both work just as well and just as reliably. I was expecting Z-Wave to be terrible the way you have to put the Vera within 3 feet of a device to pair it and so on, but haven't had any issues. The issues I do have are more with the switches and because I have the smaller bulbs which are LED and can't dim, so with my switches the ramp rate is 2-3 seconds which can't be changed. So when I press off on a device on my phone, it seems like there's a couple second delay turning it off when really I think it's just dimming down but the LED can't do it. Turning lights on is instant though for some reason so who knows. As a side note, I did a test on the 3rd floor and every outlet and switch is Phase 1, so there's no way to even put a device on Phase 2 up there.

Yeah that all makes sense. Definitely in no hurry to change my wall boxes! The builders didn't even put wall boxes in for any of the bathroom lights, so had to do that before even installing new lights there which was a pain. So far everything right now is working fine though and I'll still be adding more devices. It's interesting though like I said how when I had the cheap $29 Z-Wave switches on the first floor only, and would trigger a plug in module in the 3rd floor bedroom, it would work instantly every time (nothing in between, just 4 switches first floor, then the plug in 3rd floor). I always thought Insteon was better since it is dual band, so in my mind I'd feel like Z-Wave was less reliable. But it seems like the RF strength and what not on Z-Wave seems to be a bit more robust or what not. Still prefer Insteon though and glad I switched back.

Oh sorry, they are metal wall boxes. Are there options other than metal? Don't think I've ever seen something other than metal.