Brian H

My probably first run EZIO8SA with a 2412S powering it and interfacing it. Did not work with the Auto Find. I had to pick from the drop down list. Mine used the original I1 peek and poke messaging. It may have been identified incorrectly. As I had options like ramp rate and on level options that I would think where a dimmer choices. 5.0.16C software Outputs did noot work until I set the Ramp Rate to 0.1 and the on to 100%. The EZIO8SAAdd.txt file in the thread show it used the later I2CS messaging and was successfully added though they reported a unsupported device? Docklight is still around and I posted a file here to do a few basic PLM tests. It was one of the version of the test files we got in the Developers Group. That I modified to do what I wanted as the originals where for the hardware kits you could buy. Like all the module in every kit had the same six digit ID. The Docklight you download is the evaluation type and making and writing files is locked out. Much studying and testing showed a plain text editor would modify and save my PLM.ptp file and Dockllght could use it. I did a few things like send an X10 On and Off to a test chime module, do a PLM ID, do a PLM get configuration, display the first link database entry, display next link database entry and the one you used with care send a software factory reset command to start fresh.

The RJ45 jack on the PLM may look like network connector but it is a serial, TTL and power if a older 2412 PLM. The serial cable in the box. RJ45-1 to DB9S-2, RJ45-7 DB9S-5, RJ45-8 DB9S-3. Do not connect or short RJ45 3 and 6 they are the TTL level PLM signals and 2 on a 2412 12Volts unregulated. 19,200 baud,8 data bits,no parity,1 stop bit and no handshakes. The EZIO8Add.txt file you posted. Shows it was successfully added and it wrote the needed links into the EZIO8SA. I will study the file and try and tell what it ID as. After studying you earlier posts. I think you do have a 2413 based Dual Band PLM (EZICOMM) . The older 2412 didn't have the beeper you mentioned. Simplehomenet may have a 2413 based unit with the pass through AC outlet that a 2413S did not have. One of your logs also showed a firmware of 9B. That is one of the Dual Band PLM firmware versions. As for my mentioning the need to set options on my very early EZIO8SA. The options where more for a dimmer not a on off relay type module. As they don't use a ramp rate or on level. They are just on and off.

The EZIO8SA is communicating with your ISY994I. The communications data your log shows that it has determined the module is using the latest I2CS protocol and it was used. The I2CS notes we got in the defunct Developers Group did not show anything changed in the PLM when I2CS was added. I believe the device communicating through the PLM had to understand I2CS if enabled. I maybe confused. Is the problem you now can't add it back into the system or it is in the system and not changing relay and reported state? I don't think the PLM is bad as it is communicating. If the EZIO8SA is telling it to send things correctly I don't know. If it never changed the relay or reported back could be the program itself or maybe an Options setting in the Administrative Console for the EZIO8SA in the module list. My probably first production run EZIO8SA needed some listed options to work and did not add with the Auto Detect method and needed the hand picked module in the drop down list. This was with a 2412S power line only PLM powering the EZIO8SA through the serial power cable. My add screen showed in mine the very slow original I1 was being used. Though I did not capture the communications.

With your saved ISY Configuration that has the EZIO8SA in it. You should be able to click on the first entry of the EZIO8SA and pick restore the module from the list. If you are getting communications errors. You may have line noise or a PLM on the EZIO8SA going. Though the Hops Left of 3 would indicate it did reply back with a incorrect status. One thing I did notice in my 5.0.16C version. It had a screen to set the Options settings. On Off level and speed. I had to change it before my unit would go on and off. Mine was On 0% and 9 minute ramp time. Not sure about the ZWave. It may need a 700 series card and a firmware revision high enough to support its security protocol. In the UDI sales pages I believe the board is presently out of stock.

Especially if you have RF devices that have to be done one at a time. Hopefully a PRO version allows you do disable automatic writes and do each one individually after waking it up.

The photo of the (saved) ISY Configuration shows it was found and installed when run. It also shows the unit is replying back to the command. Did you try and restore the EZIO8SA after the reset. To put the known links back? Not sure about the On Off not working properly. I know some had issues with the module and other models from that company. If it never updated or turned On and Off. It maybe the version of firmware in the EZIO8SA itself. The ISY does not display the EZIO8SA firmware version or test the module. Their own SHN Utility can test the EZIO8SA and cycle it inputs and outputs and firmware version. Unfortunately it needs its own PLM to be used. Does the EZICOMM PLM based power the EZIO8SA through the serial cable? The power line only ones could supply power out the serial cable. The Dual Band one do not and an external wall wart has to be used. The pass through outlet on the front is typical of the power line only 2412 main board PLM with their custom serial board. If the original EZICOMM is sending and receiving Insteon messages. A Dual Band may not help. Early EZIO8SA modules had a factory update. I think it was when the EZICOMM was a Dual Band for awhile before they also had power supply issues and went back to 2412 Based power line only PLM.

When you factory reset the EZIO8SA you cleared out all the links in it and that maybe why it doesn't respond to the older firmware backup. As it was in the backup file already but not having any links in it. With the newer firmware and the no response. You may want to try it with the Event Viewer in Level3 and capture the EZIO8SA message back if any. It is very possible the messages are not being sent back especially if it is the older power line only version of the PLM or the PLM is failed, if it was one of the Dual Band PLM used by Smartenit (Simplehomenet or Compacta) for a time before going back to a power line only one made special for them by Smarthome.

Do you have the EZIO8SA connected to its own PLM as it is needed to work. Is the PLM a 2412S or a 2413S PLM. When it boots up it sends some commands to the connected PLM so it identifies as a EZIO8SA and not the PLM it is connected to. In the setup that worked. If you do a query on that output does it then show On? You may want to see if their is anything in the section related to those products. https://forum.universal-devices.com/forum/5-ezrainezioezsnsrf/

With the parts shortages these day. You may have to find equivalents if you choose the use an electronic parts distributor and not an assembled capacitor parts kit. I used Mouser and I have seen Digi-Key mentioned. Tip from experience. The PCB is double sided with plated through holes mounting the capacitors. I tore one out in a rebuild and had to add a wire jumper to complete the circuit again.

There are a few on Ebay. One was in Canada and I believe your setup was from a Canadian vendor. I don't have the exact web page link anymore. A search did show a few US vendors but I have a suspicion one was using a US shipper and was located in Canada. One vendor actually broke the included good caps in the version numbers so you got an exact match to what is in your revision. There where many different capacitors used by Smartlabs in hoping to correct the issue. As pointed out. Later revisions have a C7 and C13 100uF/50V cap that was too large physically to fit the solder pad holes and was parallel to the PCB and leads bent to fit. V2.3 they went to a 100uF/50V. Fujicon TY capacitor. The TY series is designed for high ripple and high frequency switching supplies that the 2413 PLM, V2.? 2443A Access Points, 2450 I/OLink used. C7 and C13 are the two directly in the unregulated 12VDC output of the switching supply. Normally around 18V to 19V DC and the ones they kept trying different things. Very long thread but I believe there are the latest information in the last few pages but the whole thing is a good set of information. https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/13866-repair-of-2413s-plm-when-the-power-supply-fails/

Glad you are working fine now. Thank you for the updated information on the PLM and Polisy status. There are plenty of PLM fixed threads here and vendors that have complete good brand capacitor kits.

You are correct. A version V1.B PLM with 9B firmware is an older PLM. I forgot about the Restore PLM function. From what I have see it starts by sending the factory reset software command then reloads the link database.

I just checked the UDI Store. The replacement power supply is 12V 2 Amp and not the 1 Amp I saw previously.

Sounds OK. Was just double checking that none of the other signals where connected to anything. As two of them are the unused TTL In and Out signals.

OK. I thought it was a blank database. Not using the wiping it clean command in this case. Sounds like a good way to go. If you have not yet. Trying a UDI contact ticket. May get you a more definite answer. https://www.universal-devices.com/contact-us/ https://www.universal-devices.com/polisy/ Going to sound like a broken record here. The unused wires on the network side of the adapter are not touching anything or are cut off? I did not see any valid Insteon messages in the long string you posted. The two 02 entries did not have a valid message entry after the 02.

Thanks for the added information. V1.2B, firmware 9B is not a later 2413S. Date codes keep changing so 1252 may not be what I think is week 52 0f 2012. Since it is a new setup. You could try a 02 67 software reset and then see if 02 73 gives a different answer.

I have had a few power supplies on varied ISY controllers fail over time. Flashing power and other LED flashing was one of the symptoms. 5V to 30V is what the WIKI said. Last time I looked UDI was selling a 12V 1 Amp replacement.

Is their a white label on the back of the 2413S? With the hardware revision and date codes? 03 11 is a 2413S PLM. The firmware 9B is not the latest 9E. The only 9B I have in my stash is a hardware 1B.

The long string does not look too good and maybe confusing or over loading the. PLM The 02 60 is the Polisy checking for a PLM. Three times. The 02 73 get IM Configuration "[RX] 02 73 80 00 00 06". Unchanged PLM is 02 73 00 00 00 06. Indicates the 02 6B Set IM Configuration modified the way the PLM acts. The value of 80 indicates that linking with the Local Set Button on the PLM is disabled. Only the controller connected can do linking and probably is fine. For 02 60, I got: [TX] 02 60 [RX] 02 60 21 31 48 03 11 9B 06. Three digit module ID, 03 category, 11 subcategory, 9B firmware version, 06 ACK command processed and reported correctly.

OK Will see what you find out. I did a ring out of the cable in the box again. It matches what you posted for your cable.

If you want the BusyRats PLM test program let me know. It is extremely crude and you manually type in the commands and then send and receive messages from a PLM. Information is in the PLM Developers Guide that can be found in a few locations. The same basic commands used by the DockLight Scripting entries. I tried the DockLight program and it seemed to also run the program fine. So the scripting version may not be a requirement as it didn't complain. The X10 commands should just be sent and a 06 ACK on the message back. I have an X10 module I can test with to see if they also where being sent messages.

The script I used is for the DockLight Scripting. My file is PLM.ptp. I found a way to modify the one of the Smarthome versions. For my use. Running the programs should open DockLight Scripting to the evaluation page. Just click OK as you will be in the limited evaluation mode. If you are using COM1 you should be fine. If you have a different COM port. Tools Project settings and pick your COM port and then OK. Get Version 02 60 should get a reply back. With the 02 60 then the three digit module ID, the category, sub category ID's, firmware version, ending with a 06 ACK if processed properly. Get IM config 02 73 should return a 02 73 00 00 00 06. If the PLM has not been reconfigured. 02 69 First Link in database should return the first link in the PLM. If empty the reply is 02 69 15. Get next link 02 6A will return the next link or a 15 if empty. Look out for the Reset 02 67. It is the command to factory reset the PLM through software PLM.ptp

Did you turn off both units and then start the PLM first. So when the Polisy started up it found the PLM? A Factory Reset will set everything back to blank state with no links in the link database. I don't have a Polisy so I cant tell you how to back it up. There are two PLM test programs we in the Developers Group got but they need the PLM serial cable, a serial port on the computer. They used the basic HEX commands to do things like software Factory Reset, test for a response from the PLM and dump a link in the link database. If you have to use a USB to Serial Port adapter one only used the lower COM addresses.

One point that may or no apply. The PLM only used three connections. Common, RS232 Send and RS232 received. There are other connections on the PLM that should not be connected. RJ45 pin 3 and pin 6 are TTL. If connected to the wrong thing may effect the PLM operation. Are you only connecting the two RS232 signals and Common? Cable in the box. DB9S pin 2 to RJ45 Pin 1, DB9S pin 3 to RJ45 pin 8, DB9S pin 5 to RJ45 pin 7.

I have had a few wall warts fail. With my assortment of UDI products. ISY99i and ISY994i. One was so weak when I did a power on reboot. All that happened was the LEDs started to flash in a cycle. I ended up putting a LightDim stick on to reduce the Power LED brightness. I used the original 50% to 80% version.