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Not in 4.x. May be possible in 5.x if you don't mind running Alpha code. I have not moved to 5.x so cannot say for sure just what can be done in the 5.x Alpha.

Sorry for not covering your specific situation. You have three Scenes that need to be adjusted. Assuming the ISY Scene looks like this. SceneSwitchLincDimmers SwitchLinc1 SwitchLinc2 SwitchLinc3 AAAA4 - [iD 00A5][Parent 0001] If Time is Sunset Then In Scene 'SwitchLinc1' Set 'SwitchLinc1' 40% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc1' Set 'SwitchLinc2' 40% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc1' Set 'SwitchLinc3' 40% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc2' Set 'SwitchLinc2' 40% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc2' Set 'SwitchLinc1' 40% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc2' Set 'SwitchLinc3' 40% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc3' Set 'SwitchLinc3' 40% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc3' Set 'SwitchLinc1' 40% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc3' Set 'SwitchLinc2' 40% (On Level) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Now, regardless of which switch is pressed, they all will respond and show 40%. If the Scene 'SceneSwitchLincDimmers' is used in a Program then more Adjust Scene statements are required for that situation. Otherwise, no Adjust Scene statements are needed for SceneSwitchLincDimmers. If different On Levels will be used based on Time of Day, say at 11:00 PM a different On Level is desired, then more Programs are needed. AAAA5 - [iD 00A6][Parent 0001] If Time is 11:00 PM Then In Scene 'SwitchLinc1' Set 'SwitchLinc1' 20% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc1' Set 'SwitchLinc2' 20% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc1' Set 'SwitchLinc3' 20% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc2' Set 'SwitchLinc2' 20% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc2' Set 'SwitchLinc1' 20% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc2' Set 'SwitchLinc3' 20% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc3' Set 'SwitchLinc3' 20% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc3' Set 'SwitchLinc1' 20% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc3' Set 'SwitchLinc2' 20% (On Level) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Probably also need another Program to set the On Level back to 100%. AAAA6 - [iD 00A7][Parent 0001] If Time is 8:00 AM Then In Scene 'SwitchLinc1' Set 'SwitchLinc1' 100% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc1' Set 'SwitchLinc2' 100% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc1' Set 'SwitchLinc3' 100% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc2' Set 'SwitchLinc2' 100% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc2' Set 'SwitchLinc1' 100% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc2' Set 'SwitchLinc3' 100% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc3' Set 'SwitchLinc3' 100% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc3' Set 'SwitchLinc1' 100% (On Level) In Scene 'SwitchLinc3' Set 'SwitchLinc2' 100% (On Level) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

Example of setting Local On Level (Applied Locally) to 40% at Sunset. Note that Insteon itself allows the On Level (Applied Locally) value to be changed by device itself. AAAA4 - [iD 00A5][Parent 0001] If Time is Sunset Then In Scene 'SwitchLinc4' Set 'SwitchLinc4' 40% (On Level) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

DualBandAid. See Stusviews post #8. Direct command to ON/OFF Module affects ON/OFF Module only. Turn Scene with KPL button and ON/OFF Module On and Off to keep the two devices in sync.

Dean Be careful about the firmware level in the Leak Sensor. My v.43 Leak Sensor does not cycle between Dry On/ Dry Off with each set button press. My v.3E Leak Sensor does cycle Dry On, Dry Off.

Common problem. You know all the factors in the environment, I know only the issue posted. Just keep in mind how Insteon devices and ISY work together. If you have other technical questions/problems please post back.

Right click on Program name, select Copy to Clipboard. Paste Program into forum post (for future use). If From 9:30:00PM To 10:30:00PM (same day) And Status 'MasterBedroom / NightStands' is Off - this will trigger when manually turned off or by Echo turned it off And Status 'Garage / GarageDoor' is On Then Set 'MasterBedroom / NightStands' Fast On Else - No Actions -

"If Control" is triggered by paddle at the Icon Relay switch. Alexa turns the Icon Relay On/Off which changes the "Status" of the Icon Relay. Would need to see actual Program but it sounds like it is looking only for a "Control" which does not occur from Alexa activity.

As an FYI (from post #14), zone 8 runs the pump (zone 8 circuit powered) only when one of zone 1-7 is also on. The pump circuit does not run the pump when all zones 1-7 are off. Otherwise the pump would be pushing water into a closed system. Years ago I had a conventional Rainbird controller that controlled the irrigation system. A lightening strike damaged the Rainbird system such that the pump ran when all irrigation valves were closed. When I got home one of the PVC pipes had cracked under the pump pressure so the pump itself was not damaged. Now have a pressure relief valve built into the system. All of that was meant to explain why zone 8 was not turning on the irrigation valve because zone 1-7 were all off. Would have been necessary to turn on one of the zones (1-7) before zone 8 would provide power to the pump.( or an irrigation valve in your case). Once the EZFlora was Factory Reset to eliminate pump option, zone 8 works like zones 1-7.

ISY 4.5.1 RC1 has the fix for the EZFlora Options. 4.5.1 RC1 can now set the EZFlora Options to either Pump mode or normal irrigation mode for zone 8. Thanks Michel to all who added the additional EZFlora Option. Works great.

I also confirmed that a correct Factory Reset of EZFlora does reset Zone 8 back to irrigation zone rather than pump controller.

I bench tested an EZFlora. Zone 8 should power an irrigation valve. Remember that as long as zone 8 is powering a pump, one of zones 1-7 must be On for zone 8 to supply power.

Zone 8 will not indicate being On in the GUI (Admin Console) when Zone 8 is controlling a Pump. I've not connected Zone 8 to an irrigation valve (I pump from a lake) but would expect an irrigation valve to turn On if connected to zone 8 (assuming water supply can run two zones at the same time). . I'll look into this further to confirm. From memory the voltage on zone 8 when operating a pump would turn on an irrigation valve. A relay is used to energize the pump. I'll do another post later today. I would look at the connections to the irrigation valve, looking at the voltage at the EZFlora and the voltage at the irrigation valve. What needs to happen is to get the EZFlora out of pump mode as that is how the EZFlora should be configured. When that configuration is established Zone 8 will turn On in the Admin Console, just like the other 7 zones.

When Zone 8 cannot be turned On it means the EZFlora is configured to use Zone 8 as a Pump controller. I use the free Simplehomenet software to change the EZFlora configuration. Factory Reset of EZFlora may also reset Zone 8 to normal irrigation zone.

Here is an example of a functional Heartbeat Program. Different device types and different device firmware in same device type have different characteristics. This Program does nothing to alert me until a Heartbeat is missed. Works on Leak Sensor, Hidden Door Sensor, Open Close Sensor. There are much more complex Programs but this one is simple and functional. HeartBeat - [iD 0044][Parent 0001] If Control 'Leak Sensor-Dry / Leak Sensor-Heartbeat' is switched On Or Control 'Leak Sensor-Dry / Leak Sensor-Heartbeat' is switched Off Then Wait 25 hours do something to alert about missing Heartbeat Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

Sorry, a 6 button KPL and an 8 button KPL are different devices that cannot replace each other.

Nakynaw I've been using Insteon devices for some 10 years but am having trouble knowing what you want. Normally devices are cross-linked by adding both devices as Controllers to an ISY Scene. That approach was dismissed leaving the technical details an open question. Can you provide the details of what you need. "But I would like those switches to emulate the other one, physically."?

The Scene Fast Off does not get a response (normal) so not sure they are the issue. No harm in trying that though. The commands that I noted are Direct Fast Off to specific devices that are overlapping.

I'm concerned about all the overlapping Insteon traffic. There are multiple cases. Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:16 AM : [VAR 2 9 ] 1 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:16 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 10 A8 E0 0F 14 00 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:16 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 0C 80 93 0F 14 00 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:16 AM : [ Time] 08:09:25 11(0) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:16 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 10.A8.E0 0F 14 00 06 LTOFF-F(00) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:16 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 10.A8.E0 40.D1.EC 2B 14 00 LTOFF-F(00) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:16 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 10.A8.E0-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:16 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0C.80.93 0F 14 00 06 LTOFF-F(00) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:17 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0C.80.93 40.D1.EC 27 14 00 LTOFF-F(00) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:17 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 0C.80.93-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:17 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0C.80.93 40.D1.EC 23 14 00 LTOFF-F(00) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:17 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 0C.80.93-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=0 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:17 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 57 CF 14 00 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:17 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 36 CF 14 00 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:17 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 10 A8 E0 0F 14 00 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:17 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.57 CF 14 00 06 LTOFF-F(00) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:17 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 0C 80 93 0F 14 00 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:18 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.36 CF 14 00 06 LTOFF-F(00) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:18 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 10.A8.E0 0F 14 00 06 LTOFF-F(00) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:19 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 10.A8.E0 40.D1.EC 2B 14 00 LTOFF-F(00) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:19 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 10.A8.E0-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:19 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0C.80.93 0F 14 00 06 LTOFF-F(00) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:19 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 58 CF 14 00 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:19 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 18 CF 14 00 Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:19 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.58 CF 14 00 06 LTOFF-F(00) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:20 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0C.80.93 40.D1.EC 2B 14 00 LTOFF-F(00) Fri 06/10/2016 08:09:20 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 0C.80.93-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 I'm not concerned about the message you noted. The PLM sent a duplicate message but I see no bad effect and I've seen PLMs do that before.

The example indicates good comm to OutletLinc at this time. Wed 06/08/2016 02:29:15 PM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 3D BE 9C 1F 11 FF 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 EE I2CS indicates the latest device (I1, I2, I2CS) - 11 = On command - FF is 100% On Level - 02 is bottom outlet Wed 06/08/2016 02:29:15 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 3D.BE.9C 1F 11 FF 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 EE 06 LTONRR (FF) PLM acknowledges command with 06 which indicates valid basic command structure Wed 06/08/2016 02:29:16 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 3D.BE.9C 3D.C7.BE 2B 11 FF LTONRR (FF) OutletLinc ACKs the command Wed 06/08/2016 02:29:16 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 3D.BE.9C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Hops Left=2 indicates one device was used to reach the OutLetLinc. Comm good at this time. Wed 06/08/2016 02:29:16 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [3D BE 9C 2] [sT] [255] uom=0 prec=-1 Wed 06/08/2016 02:29:16 PM : [ 3D BE 9C 2] ST 255 Information about devices that are I1, I2, I2CS would be obtained from Insteon.com (SmartLabs). Same with things like Max Hops and Hops Left, this is detail the SmartLabs designed. I'm sure there are references to all this information scattered through the UDI/ISY forum but it is SmartLabs designed and that is where all the information is explained..

From the ISY User Guide 11.1.1 The Event Viewer The Administrative Console’s Event Viewer can be an invaluable tool in helping to diagnose problems. To access the Event Viewer, click on the Tools pull-down menu, then Diagnostics, then Event Viewer. The Event Viewer window displays information on what is happening on your ISY, such as commands sent to devices, information received from devices, programs that are executing, and much more. There are several levels of detail available using the Change Level button (level 3 being the most detailed). Use the Save Log To button to save the current Event Viewer output to a text file. Best to post event trace for now. Does not need to be of an actual failure as this will check basic comm quality.

If able to run the Event Viewer at LEVEL 3 when testing Program the general Comm situation can be evaluated, even without a failure. Post the event trace if this is done.

When Direct On fails there is either a defective device or more likely a comm issue to that outside device. Direct commands are ACKed and retried so a failure indicates an issue. The delay between Direct On commands may help if the second Direct On interfered with the first.

Are you using a Scene or Direct commands to turn On both outlets?

First, stay away from mutually exclusive buttons. That is old function that can produce bad results as the mutually exclusive button display indicates. Add the KPL button for both KPLs as Controllers to the Scene the button operates. Do the same for each KPL button for both KPLs as Controllers to the other Scenes the KPL buttons operate. When one KPL button is pressed to operate Scene the other KPL button will follow.