DAlter01

Thank you Tom. Was afraid of that.

Thank you. This is a new house that has an existing Lutron system but no ISY device or other logic system. My prior house has the ISY994i I was/am hoping to use an ISY based platform for the logic since I'm reasonably proficient in programming it. But, I haven't yet picked a logic system. I think I'll explore the native Lutron RA3 logic systems first and then if that isn't sufficient figure out a new solution.

It seems I'll need to find that I need to source a good logic system for RA3 using LEAP ....... assuming Lutron's expanded RA3 programming is insufficient. Probably the first place to start is to definitively know how capable the RA3 programming has become. I know it is expanded from RA2. But, once someone has had a fairly robust HA logic system with the ISY software, it gets a little hard to settle for something less.

Was afraid of that. Thanks

So, I did learn that when converting to RA3, you eliminate the processor and bridge (telnet) for RA2 and replace it with the RA3 processor which has its own built-in bridge (LEAP). So, it will be 100% LEAP. The telnet aspect of RA2 is completly eliminated. It becomes an RA3 system. The RA2 part is the processor and bridge and those items are eliminated and the rest of it is just switchgear which is using their clear connect RF system to communicate between the switchgear and the RA3 (or previous RA2) processor. That clears up the path for integration with an outside logic system as long as that logic system can communicate with Lutron's LEAP API. There are a few legacy devices that are not RA3 compatible but regular wall switches, motions, drapes, companions, all of that is compatible.

I'm going to research that further. RTI may also be a good logic system for it. Though, I am hopeful that Lutron itself has sufficient programming options for if/then lighting control. I did learn that companion dimmers in Lutron do not count against the 200 device limit. With this benefit, I do not expect to approach the 200 device limit. Many of my devices will end up being companions.

Thanks. I will likely want to us RA3 for any new equipment to make it a little more future proof and take advantage of the increased device count within RA3. There is a fair chance I'll go above the RA2 lmit which I think is 200 devices if my memory serves me correctly from several years ago. After getting your comment I looked at Home Assistant and on the surface it looks like it might do what I want. Though, based on what @bpwwer mentions with the use of different technologies between RA2 and RA3, it may not work, or it might not work as well as one might hope.

Good point on the different technologies. Lutron makes them compatible with each other natively but that doesn't mean an integration can work with both systems operating seemlessly as one. And, thanks for letting me know the ISY platforms are not going to be an option. I figured that was my go to solution as I have some experience with programming within it. Darn. Do you know anything about the new native Lutron programming options in RA3? I understand it is more capable than what could be done with RA2 but RA2 couldn't do much so doing "more" isn't necessarily saying much.

I just bought a house that has a 2016 era Lutron RadioRA2 system of about 50 devices, a couple repeaters, and 8 keypads that control about 1/2 the lighting and fans in the house. It is a "dumb" lighting system in that it is just button control of the scenes it has and there isn't any HA if/then logic, voice control, etc. I am leaving a house that has a highly automated Insteon house (over 200 devices) controlled by an ISY994i where I rarely have to touch a switch and it uses motion sensors, time of day/sunset offset, and voice control through Alexa to control my scenes with a lot of if/then programming. It is a highly reliable system and makes for convenient living. I did the install and programming a few years ago but my knowledge is stale as I haven't stayed current with technology changes and have forgotten half of what I learned implementing and programming the system. My current belief is the best path to automate the house is to finish the install of Lutron devices with RA2/3 hardware for the switchgear, repeaters, and keypads and do any upgrades that may be necessary to make the RA2 system front end systems work with the RA3. But, the question becomes one of what HA logic system to use. I'm familiar with ISY994i and it seems installing the new EISY to control Lutron is probably a viable path forward. However, it sounds like Lutron can work with other HA logic systems also that may, or may not, be a good control solution. And, maybe even Lutron's native logic system is sophiscticated enough now to allow good automation with the RA3 system using geofence and time of day/sunset offset for scene toggling and voice integration with Alexa or some other system. I will not likely want to integrate more systems than lighting and ceiling fans into my HA system as my alarm and thermostat systems already have good standalone solutions that seem sufficient for my purposes. I might attempt control of the alarm, thermostat, or some other systems (Sonos) but this is going to be a lighting control automation and anything else that gets controlled is of zero consideration on choosing the best way to control the lighting. I don't mind taking the Lutron class(s) to allow access to their programming functions and I may even be fine with having a Lutron integrator do the bulk of the heavy lifting on programming the system if the Lutron RA2/3 logic systems are sophisticated enough to do a fair amount of if/then programming. I believe that back when I did the Insteon/ISY install a few years ago that RA2 native software was lacking in its sophistication and I would have needed Homeworks. Though, I may be wrong on that memory. Can some of the HA pros on the forum provide a little guidance on what might be a good path (or path options) to consider as i determine how to integrate the homes lighting control?

Well, hopefully it's someone's brother in law and has been demoted to refilling staplers? One can hope.

I'm sure they don't even know when things will be back in stock. Order sizes, vendor relationships, negotiations, production times, all of that will need to be worked on. I'm sure there is thoughts on all of this already and the old vendor relationships may be revivable, but it will be a minimum of 1-2 quarters I'm sure and probably more. I'd venture that some items will be over a year.

Well there you go. The good old power cycle. Guess what, it worked. All those times I told my wife, have you power cycled it? And, I didn't follow my own advice. I guess I have to be a little more understanding with her from now on given I failed to follow my own advice. I did power cycle the ISY and it appears to have resolved the issue with those repeaters. I've closed and relaunched the UI several times and the issue has not returned. So, maybe it is behind me. Though, I have ordered a USB stick and will update the firmware anyway. Thank you

I'd read somewhere from someone (you know how reliable that is) that onboard transmitters are typically weak so it is good to have a repeating device within a few feet of z-wave hub. I'll wash that memory from my head and move that first repeater out a ways. Thanks!

Excellent, I'll do it today. Thank you!!

Aeotech got back to me. There isn't a v2. That was something erroneously labeled by a retailer. However, there is updated firmware to v1.05 that resolves a lot of "issues". I think I am experiencing on of the "issues". I gather my new (fourth) one has v1.05 firmware and the three with an issue are an earlier firmware. Since the ISY994 and Polisy do not currently support Z-wave device firmware update, I guess my options are 1) purchase new repeaters 2) wait until Polisy is released with its new Z-wave imbedded controller 3) purchase an inexpensive Z-wave hub that will allow updating the device firmware and go through that bit of brain damage.