junkycosmos

thank you @IndyMike for all the testing and tables here ! Also @Techman for the heads up about Steve. As reference my boated (as in too many devices) Insteon / Zwave does pretty well overall. The ALL-ONs which started for me many years ago have greatly reduced as I have dropped out many of my batt devices. I am down to having 1 every 1-2 months typically. I have put numerious work arounds in place to ensure the ALL ONs do not cause significant issues. Some examples include removing/readding the TSTATs when in auto mode with moderate temps set (since the ALL ONs sometimes cause the TSTATs to bounce to whatever they were at when included in ISY), replacing I/O lincs I had on skylights and furnace zones with mimos, replacing key switches with ones, few others over past 8yrs I am not recalling at the moment. I also created ALL ON and ALL OFF "detectors" with 2 seperate i/o lincs - wiring the relay to sensor input of each unit then leaving relay in state which would be toggled by the signal and lastly setting program that sends a warning text when changed. The phantom signals always impact the relay and not the sensor but you can use the sensor to "reset" the detector. Silly that I never tested the ALL ON button from ISY devices page - wondering if that does same as the protocol "crash" or whatever we call it that creates the phantom ALL ON ? I can also report that SwitchLinc Dual-Band Relays starting with 46.xx.xx.xx do not react to all ons

Long time back we know SH adjusted the Firmware in switches to no longer listen to the ALL ON signal. This appeared to be a remedation attempt fixing the Phantom ALL ON events those of us with larger networks started to see when using battery powered devices and dual band devices. Hope you are GREAT. Can you please remind me what switchlinc dimmer firmware SH removed the ALL ON response.I know the2476D SwitchLinc Dimmer v38 is impacted/still responds to the phantom ALL ONand that2477D Dual Band SwitcLinc Dimmer v.45 ignores / does not follow thephantom ALL ON signalshowever I cannot recall which firmware it was removed from ..anyone know for sure?Seems my v.40 Switchlinc Dimmers are impacted (still respond to) however not sure on the v.41 and v.44 Dual Band SwitchLinc Dimmers.thanks J

curious here too as I am in same boat for cabinet vs where my PLM is located .. great idea on the USB extenders

>>The 2413S has a new daughter board. With a better serial chip with better ESD protection and a protective network on the two external serial signals. One will have a subcategory ID for a serial and a different subcategory ID for the USB. New serial chip is interesting and sounds nice given the 3-4 times I have had a PLM go blank - lose its entire link DB. Last 2 times on current PLM I can attribute it to electrical storms with heavy lightning one time frying the sprinkler controller next to PLM . Both times restore DB from ISY fixed and things are still working solid. Yes I do run a whole-home surge suppressor on the electric panel and no I do not enjoy replacing my PLM. After installing the surge suppressor we stopped losing other random devices every year or so... Thx for the call out on the new chip

One of the original old school setups with my isy994 which has sucessfully used my serial PLM for last decade via 75 foot ethernet drop going from my network cabinet (where ISY lives) to my electric panel (where PLM lives in dedicated outlet right off breaker panel). Moving to new EISY, have lot of Insteon devices in house and few Zwave My question: Would you: 1. Look to move to new USB PLM with considerations to move PLM to noisy network cabinet ? 2. Stick with serial PLM (and serial to USB conversionkit) ? I know EISY can work fine with serial PLM (via serial to adapter) OR is now the time to switch over to USB PLM? Is the new USB PLM seen as any better then the serial PLM ? Not sure if there is truely a difference in PLM hardware between 2413S and 2413U or only the connector board on back end. I see the current listing for 2413S notes it has been "upgraded" Just looking for whatever might last the longest and will put a spare of either on the shelf next to it .. https://shop.insteon.com/products/plm-serial-modem-interface?_pos=2&_sid=de92f9141&_ss=r https://shop.insteon.com/products/plm-usb-modem-interface?_pos=1&_sid=de92f9141&_ss=r