MorningLinc - cant determine insteon engine

aaronb · March 9, 2013

Trying to add a new morninglinc module. I have gone as far as plugging the module directly into the same outlet at my plm. I get the 'cannot determine insteon engine' message. I have tried both letting isy choose determine the device type and chosen it from the list.

Here is my message log when adding. Anyone have ideas?

Fri 03/08/2013 06:08:48 PM : [20 c3 20 ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY

Fri 03/08/2013 06:08:48 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 20 C3 20 0F 0D 00

Fri 03/08/2013 06:08:48 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 20.C3.20 0F 0D 00 06 (00)

Fri 03/08/2013 06:08:48 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 20.C3.20 21.31.75 A7 0D FF (FF)

Fri 03/08/2013 06:08:48 PM : [std-Direct Nack] 20.C3.20-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1

Fri 03/08/2013 06:08:48 PM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 20 C3 20 1F 09 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F6

Fri 03/08/2013 06:08:48 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 20.C3.20 1F 09 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F6 06 LNK-ON (01)

Fri 03/08/2013 06:08:50 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 20.C3.20 21.31.75 A7 09 FF LNK-ON (FF)

Fri 03/08/2013 06:08:50 PM : [std-Direct Nack] 20.C3.20-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1

Fri 03/08/2013 06:08:50 PM : [LNK-BGN ] 02 64 01 00 06

Fri 03/08/2013 06:08:54 PM : [20 C3 20 0 ] Failed to add device

Fri 03/08/2013 06:08:54 PM : [LNK-END ] 02 65 06 : : Unexpected, ignored (65)

LeeG · March 9, 2013

Have the Event Viewer running at LEVEL 3 in case this does not work. The UDI Wiki calls for using Start Linking when adding a MorningLinc. This is an I2CS MorningLinc but I think the procedure will be the same

Use Start Linking

Press Set button on MorningLinc for 3-5 seconds

Select the third option to keep existing links

aaronb · March 9, 2013

That did it. Thank you LeeG!!!

jerseymedic · September 14, 2013

OK, I've tried everything as well.

-Start Linking

-Add Insteon Device

-Resetting PLM Modem

I'm stuck!

Sat 09/14/2013 03:29:03 PM : [22 BE E ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY

Sat 09/14/2013 03:29:25 PM : [22 BE E 0 ] Failed to add device, reason 3

Sat 09/14/2013 03:29:25 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Sat 09/14/2013 03:32:00 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Sat 09/14/2013 03:32:10 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Sat 09/14/2013 03:32:34 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Sat 09/14/2013 03:32:57 PM : [22 ff 3f ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY

Sat 09/14/2013 03:32:57 PM : [22.FF.3F 00] Device is an old PLM, do 'Restore PLM' and try again.

Sat 09/14/2013 03:32:57 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Sat 09/14/2013 03:33:26 PM : [ 22 FF 3F 1] Restoring PLM

Sat 09/14/2013 03:33:26 PM : Replacing Old PLM IDS in existing links with current PLM 22 FF 3F 1

Sat 09/14/2013 03:33:26 PM : - Old PLM ID: D D8 B3 1

Sat 09/14/2013 03:33:26 PM : [ 23 9E CB 1] Replacing PLM links (locally and in PLM)

Sat 09/14/2013 03:33:26 PM : [ 23 9E CB 1] Replacing PLM links Successful

Sat 09/14/2013 03:33:26 PM : [ 23 9E FE 1] Replacing PLM links (locally and in PLM)

Sat 09/14/2013 03:33:26 PM : [ 23 9E FE 1] Replacing PLM links Successful

Sat 09/14/2013 03:33:26 PM : Reset PLM

Sat 09/14/2013 03:33:31 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Sat 09/14/2013 03:33:48 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Sat 09/14/2013 03:34:29 PM : [22 BE E ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY

Sat 09/14/2013 03:34:50 PM : [22 BE E 0 ] Failed to add device, reason 3

Sat 09/14/2013 03:34:50 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Sat 09/14/2013 03:37:13 PM : Start Insteon Device Linking Mode

Sat 09/14/2013 03:37:13 PM : [LNK-BGN ] 02 64 01 00 06

Sat 09/14/2013 03:37:47 PM : Stop Insteon Device Linking Mode, Final processing to follow

Sat 09/14/2013 03:37:48 PM : ---- Start: Generate Scenes from links ----

Sat 09/14/2013 03:37:48 PM : [LNK-END ] 02 65 06 : : Unexpected, ignored (65)

Sat 09/14/2013 03:37:48 PM : ---- End: Generate Scenes from links ----

Sat 09/14/2013 03:37:48 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Sat 09/14/2013 03:38:15 PM : [22 be e ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY

Sat 09/14/2013 03:38:15 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 22 BE 0E 0F 0D 00

Sat 09/14/2013 03:38:15 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.BE.0E 0F 0D 00 06 (00)

Sat 09/14/2013 03:38:19 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 22 BE 0E 0F 0D 00

Sat 09/14/2013 03:38:19 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.BE.0E 0F 0D 00 06 (00)

Sat 09/14/2013 03:38:28 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 22 BE 0E 0F 0D 00

Sat 09/14/2013 03:38:28 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.BE.0E 0F 0D 00 06 (00)

Sat 09/14/2013 03:38:32 PM : [22 BE E 0 ] Failed to add device, reason 3

Sat 09/14/2013 03:38:32 PM : ---- Start: Generate Scenes from links ----

Sat 09/14/2013 03:38:33 PM : ---- End: Generate Scenes from links ----

Sat 09/14/2013 03:38:33 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Sat 09/14/2013 03:43:10 PM : [ Time] 15:43:20 0(0)

Help!

Thanks.

LeeG · September 14, 2013

Run Tools | Diagnostics | Event Viewer at LEVEL 3. Use Start Linking as described in the UDI Wiki for adding a MorningLinc. Have the MorningLinc plugged into the PLM plug point. Be sure to follow the Wiki instructions as far as using 'keep existing links' as the MorningLinc has special security requirements other Insteon devices do not have.

IID · October 23, 2013

Same problem linking 2458A1 to ISY-994i. Attempted actions described in this post. Event Viewer output:

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:46 : [20 C1 95 ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:46 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 20 C1 95 0F 0D 00

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:46 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 20.C1.95 0F 0D 00 06 (00)

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:46 : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 20.C1.95 1F.22.BD 27 0D FF (FF)

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:46 : [std-Direct Ack] 20.C1.95-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:46 : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 20 C1 95 1F 09 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F6

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:46 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 20.C1.95 1F 09 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F6 06 LNK-ON (01)

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:47 : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 20.C1.95 1F.22.BD 27 09 FF LNK-ON (FF)

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:47 : [std-Direct Ack] 20.C1.95-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:48 : [LNK-BGN ] 02 64 01 00 06

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:51 : [20 C1 95 0 ] Failed to add device, reason 3

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:51 : [LNK-END ] 02 65 06 : : Unexpected, ignored (65)

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:51 : ---- Start: Generate Scenes from links ----

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:52 : ---- End: Generate Scenes from links ----

Wed 10/23/2013 09:28:52 : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Additional notes:

MorningLinc behaves as expected when linked to Mini-Remote (2342-222).

When putting the MorningLinc in Set mode, the LED flashes 4 times rapidly, then 3 times slowly, then goes solid (bright or dim).

The above output was generated by attaching the MorningLinc to the same extension cord as the Powerlinc Serial modem (2413S) to eliminate line interference as a factor.

Can anyone recommend a course of action?

Thank you.

LeeG · October 23, 2013

Follow the instructions in the UDI Wiki for adding a MorningLinc

http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index ... orningLinc

Also note the trace shows Hops Left=1 which is inconsistent with having both the PLM and the MorningLinc on the same circuit. Would expect Hops Left=2 when powered from same outlet. Suggests a power strip with noise reduction may have been used.

Use Start Linking as described in the Wiki and some other means of connecting the PLM and MorningLinc to power.

IID · October 23, 2013

Thank you for the (very quick) response. Those (Wiki) instructions are the ones I have been trying to execute. You were correct that there was a UPS on the same circuit. I moved the device combination (MorningLinc/modem) to another outlet. That cleared the 'Hops' issue, but the results appear otherwise the same:"

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:46 : [20 C1 95 ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:46 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 20 C1 95 0F 0D 00

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:46 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 20.C1.95 0F 0D 00 06 (00)

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:46 : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 20.C1.95 1F.22.BD 2B 0D FF (FF

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:46 : [std-Direct Ack] 20.C1.95-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:46 : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 20 C1 95 1F 09 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F6

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:46 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 20.C1.95 1F 09 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F6 06 LNK-ON (01)

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:47 : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 20.C1.95 1F.22.BD 2B 09 FF LNK-ON (FF)

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:47 : [std-Direct Ack] 20.C1.95-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:47 : [LNK-BGN ] 02 64 01 00 06

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:51 : [20 C1 95 0 ] Failed to add device, reason 3

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:51 : ---- Start: Generate Scenes from links ----

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:51 : [LNK-END ] 02 65 06 : : Unexpected, ignored (65)

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:51 : ---- End: Generate Scenes from links ----

Wed 10/23/2013 11:44:51 : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

I successfully added a wall switch (2477S) located in the same room (actually on the same electrical circuit) to the ISY using the same configuration. The Wiki instructions to which you refer seem simple, and I have tried every reasonable permutation I can think of. Any chance the MorningLinc could be defective commiunicating with the ISY but still work with other controllers (i.e., the Mini Remote)?

Thank you, again.

LeeG · October 23, 2013

The trace does not reflect what is expected.

Click Start Linking - PLM LED blinks

Press Set button on MorningLinc for 3-5 seconds

Select Keep existing links

The MorningLinc has special security linking requirements due to the nature of the function the MorningLinc provides. No sense trying other options as that will only confuse the issue.

The trace is showing command activity to the MorningLinc before the ISY is putting the PLM into linking mode as though something is being done before Start Linking is initiated which must be the first activity.