Teken Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Hello, Would you please provide me some insight as to what needs to be done to configure the GEM to the ISY. There is a wiki that I read about the process but it seems to relate to the older 1240 unit. My GEM is configured with the Xbee antenna. In the ISY Systems tab I have enabled the Zigbee. I have selected compatibility mode. When I selected the *Configure Router* a window pops up, but nothing happens? Later it shows the status as *established* along with the serial number of the GEM. What else needs to be done as I see no nodes on the left hand side pane? Under the electricity tab there are several options could you explain to me what I am supposed to do in these fields etc. There is a OpenADR tab, again what do I do with this? Under the modules I have already enabled both Flex alert settings, and Electricity meter settings. Teken . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Hi Teken, As discussed before, GEM is not yet supported. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arw01 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Hi Teken, As discussed before, GEM is not yet supported. With kind regards, Michel Michel, I thought there was a compatibility mode on the GEM itself that Brultech could assist setting up and then you would get individual nodes. Did I mis-understand that from a thread I was asking questions about the Greeneye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 Hi Teken, As discussed before, GEM is not yet supported. With kind regards, Michel Michel, I thought there was a compatibility mode on the GEM itself that Brultech could assist setting up and then you would get individual nodes. Did I mis-understand that from a thread I was asking questions about the Greeneye? Based on this thread and feed back it was stated as so? viewtopic.php?f=47&t=10675 I have in the interim left a reply in the GEM forum for insight and guidance. Once I am able to get the two connected I shall communicate my findings in the install thread which I created. I am thinking there are some commands that need to be issued by the GEM which are holding me up. If you find out anything before me please do let me know. As I hope to group all the basics, advanced, and random knowledge about the GEM in one massive thread for others to learn, follow, and provide assistance to others in the future. Thus far, this whole experience has been fun, stressful, and mind numbing all in one! Teken . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Hi Alan, The compatibility mode has to be done by Brultech. We do have the updated firmware from Brultech which we shall implement. We just have too many things happening at the same time. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted March 15, 2013 Author Share Posted March 15, 2013 Hello Alan & Michel, I have been in contact with Ben at Brultech. I will be testing a Beta copy of the next firmware release. This will allow me to simulate one ecm-1240 for the interim in the GEM. This will allow UDI a chance to work on, and integrate the full capabilities of the GEM. I do realize that everyone is spread thin, and certain priorities are driving each and everyone. I know when all is said and done the two products will be first rate! I only ask that full development for the GEM be implemented as discussed in previous threads and communique I have received. As it has been mentioned numerous times in this forum. The high costs of the ISY-994iZ IR Pro was to offset development for energy management which was removed from the original ISY-99i Pro. I really do look forward to the full integration of both products and know in the end both will lead the market and will be the standard in which all others will compare! As always I thank UDI and the members in their on going support in this endeavor. Regards Teken . . . <-- We are so close I can taste it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Hello Michel, In the ISY there is this field under Electricity -> Modules. Below is the screen capture for my system. What is the URL that needs to be placed in this field? Right now I entered the IP address of the GEM along with the port number. I am not sure if this is correct, any guidance would be appreciated. Teken . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Also I am working with Ben to configure the GEM correctly to allow it to communicate with the ISY. Do I have to make any changes to the power field which shows -7 now? Is the Link Key / Network Key required as I recall in another thread it is not, just want to confirm if this is the case. Also, if you note the status my system *appears* to be connected and shows the status is *established* if its grey out and shows this status is it in fact connected to the ISY? Teken . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Hello Teken, For GEM, Link/Network key must be left blank. When you configure GEM, you must use: ATID1000173 to change the PAN id. Have you reviewed this: http://www.universal-devices.com/docs/p ... 0Guide.pdf With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted March 19, 2013 Author Share Posted March 19, 2013 Hello Teken, For GEM, Link/Network key must be left blank. When you configure GEM, you must use: ATID1000173 to change the PAN id. Have you reviewed this: http://www.universal-devices.com/docs/p ... 0Guide.pdf With kind regards, Michel OK, I made all of the required changes in the GEM. The first part of the process was to upgrade the GEM's COM firmware to 1.94. This would allow the GEM to communicate on COM 2 using binary code. I have also enabled Multi ECM-1240 simulation, and set it to 1 ECM-1240. I have also gone under the Advanced tab in the GEM to Set Zigbee for ISY. This action writes some kind of AT command to the GEM. From there I have gone into the ISY and enabled Zigbee, I entered the Pan ID as 0345 as Ben had instructed me to. I have also selected compatibility, then selected save. At this point the ISY initially searched for the GEM as I saw some updates which I was able to screen capture for future reference. Using the diagnostics was able to see some information for the GEM etc. After this was all done I do not see any nodes in the tree. I also can not see any of the previous data that was populated in the diagnostic window. I will provide a few screen captures for you to review and provide some feed back. It would be greatly appreciated if both UDI and Brultech could speak to one another to ensure this process is correct. As I was told by Ben at Brultech to enter in the link key / network key as 1. I have used with, and with out the 1 for the two other fields but it has no affect on what I am able to see or do with the ISY. Teken . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Hi Teken, You do not have any Zigbee routers so there's no point in using that function (it will look for UDI Zigbee router on one of your USB jacks). Since you see a Zigbee node in diagnostics, it means that when it joined, ISY could not identify it as a Brultech (ISY looks for STX and ETX for Brultech packets). So, you are almost there. What you should try next is: 1. In Zigbee Diagnostics, click on the record and then click on the Remove Node button 2. Press and hold F1 button on GEM so that it scans and rejoins the network With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellesshoo Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Will the Brultech GEM be compatible with the 994iZ and the 994iZS both over ZigBee? I'm a little confused since I was under the impression that they used different ZigBee stacks/profiles or whatever they're called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted March 19, 2013 Author Share Posted March 19, 2013 Hi Teken, You do not have any Zigbee routers so there's no point in using that function (it will look for UDI Zigbee router on one of your USB jacks). Since you see a Zigbee node in diagnostics, it means that when it joined, ISY could not identify it as a Brultech (ISY looks for STX and ETX for Brultech packets). So, you are almost there. What you should try next is: 1. In Zigbee Diagnostics, click on the record and then click on the Remove Node button 2. Press and hold F1 button on GEM so that it scans and rejoins the network With kind regards, Michel Q: it will look for UDI Zigbee router on one of your USB jacks A: My GEM is not connected to any computer system via USB. The GEM communicates using Ethernet IP routing in my network. Q: 1. In Zigbee Diagnostics, click on the record and then click on the Remove Node button A: The Diagnostic window is blank. The data you see before you in the previous reply only appeared once. This window is now blank and selecting any of the buttons does nothing. Q: Press and hold F1 button on GEM so that it scans and rejoins the network. A: I am unsure how to do this on the GEM. I will ask Ben at Brultech to confirm if the lower (black) reset button is intended for this purpose. If so I will complete this task once I return home from work. Teken . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Hi Teken, As I mentioned in the first post, you do NOT have an Zigbee Router so that button is NOT going to do anything for you. Please do not use it. I am also in contact with Ben. Any updates? With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 Hi Teken, As I mentioned in the first post, you do NOT have an Zigbee Router so that button is NOT going to do anything for you. Please do not use it. I am also in contact with Ben. Any updates? With kind regards, Michel Nothing positive to report back on. The two devices are not interacting as I would expect. As indicated in the previous post there is no data populated in the diagnostic window. There for there is nothing to remove / delete from it. I have selected the refresh key many times with no results. I have also enabled and disabled the zigbee portion in the ISY with out any positive results. There are no nodes in the device tree on the left hand side. I would like to know the following: When you enable the zigbee in the ISY and the status box changes from: Down, Establishing, Established. What does this mean?? Does this in fact mean the ISY is connected to the GEM via Zigbee? Or is this simply a normal ISY confirmation? I am asking because I would like clarity on what I see. Often times people will engineer things solely to provide feed back for their device, and it does not mean it is in fact talking to another device. Below are the screen shots of the different status which I am sure you're familiar with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellesshoo Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Teken, do you know the answer to my question? Following this topic because I'm interested in the GEM. Oddly enough, a post of yours with your SEG site is half the reason and the electric bill savings I got from just the ISY the other half. Got to know what's using the power to know how to save on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arw01 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 +1, the ISY is already dropped my electrical bill. I'd like to zero in on some more of it. The one wire interface on the GEM supported in the ISY at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Teken, Think of Zigbee as something very similar to WiFi. In WiFi you have SSID and a hub. In Zigbee you have a PAN ID and a Coordinator. ISY is the Coordinator and 345 is the PAN ID. Established only means that ISY has established a network with the given PAN ID and channels. Now, it's up to end devices (such as GEM) to join this PAN. Above and beyond that, the status of a coordinator has nothing to do with the status of devices joining its network. The Diagnostics button brings up a list of devices that have joined the network. This is very similar to the concept of DHCP clients. So, again: your GEM joined the network at one point because it was listed. This said, ISY could NOT detect it as a Brultech energy monitoring device. So, your efforts should be concentrated on why ISY is not receiving correct packets. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 Teken, do you know the answer to my question? Following this topic because I'm interested in the GEM. Oddly enough, a post of yours with your SEG site is half the reason and the electric bill savings I got from just the ISY the other half. Got to know what's using the power to know how to save on it. Hello, Your question as it pertains to the two ISY models will need to be addressed by UDI. As far as I am aware the only device that can communicate with the GEM is the ISY-994iZ IR Pro model. The other one is intended for SmartGrid applications. As I am sure you're aware I have created a thread that is tracking the progress of my endeavors here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/show ... p?t=162749 My intent is to have a place holder for this project and provide insight about the products I am using to reduce my energy consumption. The journey thus far has been fantastic and the last few milestones are so very close. The over all goal is also to provide insight, guidance, and instructions on how to configure both GEM / ISY modules for a trouble free install. I placed this install at the Garage Journal because it has one of the largest audiences for the DIY. As you can see, being one of the first to have a GEM and trying to configure all the elements to talk to the ISY has proven to be a little challenging. It should be noted that full support and development has not been completed by either party. There for what I am doing is simply a stop gap approach with the assistance of both companies, in hopes to buy some time, when full support will be made available. Being a Beta tester for this project usually results in such short term results. But, I know with the assistance of both companies that these barriers will be over come and resolved. If you take a few moments to read the entire thread you will quickly realize the cost savings I have already realized from both products. Teken . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 +1, the ISY is already dropped my electrical bill. I'd like to zero in on some more of it. The one wire interface on the GEM supported in the ISY at all? As far as I am aware the 1 wire temperature is not supported in the current firmware of the ISY. I would ask you to direct the question to UDI as this area along with the pulse monitoring would be the holy grail. Having the ISY be fully aware of the energy, temp, and pulse which monitors the water etc would tie all the elements of the HA I have now. Teken . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 Teken, Think of Zigbee as something very similar to WiFi. In WiFi you have SSID and a hub. In Zigbee you have a PAN ID and a Coordinator. ISY is the Coordinator and 345 is the PAN ID. Established only means that ISY has established a network with the given PAN ID and channels. Now, it's up to end devices (such as GEM) to join this PAN. Above and beyond that, the status of a coordinator has nothing to do with the status of devices joining its network. The Diagnostics button brings up a list of devices that have joined the network. This is very similar to the concept of DHCP clients. So, again: your GEM joined the network at one point because it was listed. This said, ISY could NOT detect it as a Brultech energy monitoring device. So, your efforts should be concentrated on why ISY is not receiving correct packets. With kind regards, Michel I have engaged Brultech and provided some feed back for some of the tests Ben has asked me to perform and confirm. I will reply back once I know more and try any next steps offered. Teken . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Michel, Sorry to report nothing has changed thus far. After upgrading to the latest GEM 1.95 firmware nothing has changed, and I still can not connect to the ISY. On a positive note, the GEM can communicate separately on COM 2 to the ISY. My hardware configuration is now correct where it simply showed Zigbee. It now shows Ethernet / Zigbee hardware options before it did not. We have been able to confirm both COM 1 & 2 are *ON* and active. I have requested the GEM to join the ISY network but nothing happens. Ben requested that I initiate a manual join to the ISY. The tests past and shows a OK status with in the GEM's Green Eye Setup control panel. I am unsure as to what to do next. I am not sure if either companies are sharing any equipment to assist in their development. But, would like to suggest if this is not the case that it be considered. The benefit of doing so would benefit all parties in the development cycle of the products that come to market. It would reduce the amount remote trouble shooting for the end clients. As far as I am aware neither company has in their possession, the product in question. I believe if a loaner device in the hands of both parties would expedite this whole trouble shooting process and would remove any doubt as to where the problem(s) lie. As always thank you for your continued support and guidance. Teken . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arw01 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I know for sure that UDI does have a GEM. However, it's a bit down the list in priorities currently. That is a big reason I didn't buy a GEM yet, and the price is a bit up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Hi Guys, We do have GEM and we are going to work on it soon. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatchel Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 As always it's a matter of being a business decision. I would think that the zwave capabilities would be in line before GEM compatibility. This would open the ISY up to a completely different market in device control. Add in door locks and this completes the HA package. If you buy a widget based on it's current capabilities and features you will not be disappointed. I also would love to see 32 channel GEM support with the ISY. When and if it ever comes, I'm sure it will be first class. Maybe the dashbox will be a better alternative for now. I've been looking to it myself but I am not sure it's worth it just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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