8 button keypadlinc, using button A in a button B scene

[JimInWA]

I have programmed two 8-button keypadlincs a to act in sync using buttons B, D, F, and H to control seven different responders for the four scenes. However, when I add button A (which has the load connected) as a responder to scene B it will appear to be functioning properly in the ISY control panel, but the keypad button does not light and the load does not light. Is it possible to use button A (and it's connected load) as a responder to button B (controller)? If yes, please give me a clue as to how to make this work. Although both keypads are new with same model numbers they have different version codes. Hmmm.

[oberkc]

I loose track of which versions have what capability, but I recall that some earlier versions (at least) lack the ability to control a primary (load-controlling) button via secondary ON THE SAME KEYPAD. In other words, button B cannot be set as controller to button A as responder. Perhaps you are running into this limitation?

 

For such cases, a program can bridge the gap.

[danncas]

I use Button A in a Scene. A is the Load. So when A is the responder in the Scene B or what ever, A and B will be lite.

[JimInWA]

Thanks for help, but I must be missing something.

 

I just tried a very simple configuration that has me baffled. More help please.

 

One 8-Key Keypad

Test Scene ONE

Button A (load) responder

SwitchLinc (load) reponder

Button B (scene) controller

with Button A set to 100% on and 2 second ramp.

with SwitchLinc set to 50% on and 2 second ramp.

 

Pressing Button A controls load as expected, on, off, dim, bright, etc.

Pressing Button B controls the SwitchLinc, but has no effect on the Button A load or the indicator lamp on Button A.

 

When I monitor Button B on/off status in the ISY control panel it indicates that Button A is "on" and "off" per the status of Button B, but of course it is not at the physical keypad or load.

 

Smarthome says this should work, that is, using Button A (load) as a responder to any other Button (scene) on the same keypad.

 

Please comment.

[LeeG]

What is firmware level of Keypadlinc

 

What is firmware level of ISY (Help | About)

 

What is firmware level of UI (Help | About)

[LeeG]

JimInWA

 

As a point of reference I defined that Scene using a KeypadLinc Dimmer with v41 firmware using 4.0.3. Pressing button B turns On/Off load control button A.

[JimInWA]

This is what I have for versions.

 

KeypadLinc

2486DWH8 V6.0 1214

 

Universal Devices Adminstrative Console

Firmware Insteon_UD99 v.3.2.6

UI Insteom_UD99 v.3.2.6

 

Smarthome suggested that I try to program the KeypadLinc manually (not using the ISY). I haven't tried this yet. But I'm concerned that even if it worked I wouldn't be able to configure the remaining KeypadLic scenes with the ISY. I have a strong preference to do all the configuration with the ISY.

[Brian H]

The firmware you are running is old and will not properly support new Insteon devices with the I2CS protocol in them.

Both the official 3.3.10 and the beta 4.0.3 can be found in this section of the forums.

viewforum.php?f=25

[LeeG]

JimInWA

 

As Brian described 3.2.6 is very old. Update to 3.3.10. Be sure to read the information fully before performing the update. Delete and readd the KPL once on 3.3.10. Would be a good idea to factory reset the KPL before adding it back.

 

Note that if running on an ISY-99i 3.3.10 is the last firmware update that will load on the 99i. The 4.x.x path cannot be used.

[JimInWA]

THANK YOU for solving my problem. I now have two 8-KPLs fully sync'd with "radio buttons" on scenes A, B, D, F, and H.

The only challenge I had was with Factory Reset on the KPL. The documentation says that after creating the air gap the KPL will beep when the set button is pushed in. I my case I found that I needed to hold the set button in (while the KPL "squealed") for a few seconds until the squealing stopped. Then reset was successful.