iowaj Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 We recently upgraded from ISY99i to ISY994i with the great help from tech support here. I had an 8 button switch(keypadlinc dimmer v.29) in the old system that went bad. I replaced it with a new switch (8 button keypadlinc dimmer 8 button v.43) and did the usual....added the new switch and then clicked replace with on the old one with new one. Perhaps I did something wrong, but the replacement process did not work. It appeared to be making the change, and the program shut down as expected when finished, but nada. The old switch still shows in the list with appropriate button links, and the new switch also shows up but no button links working. Any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong? Also, I got really worried as one the system attempted to write the links to the new switch it also went through the whole system rewriting links to all switches. Everything appears to be working with other switches so not sure what happened! Link to comment
LeeG Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 The old KPL with its node names should be there. All devices that the old KPL referenced had to have the link records replaced with the Insteon address of the new KPL which should have been deleted. What does Help | About display for the Firmware and UI lines? The old KPL is the device where the Replace with ..... was selected? Link to comment
iowaj Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 ]I am just now getting back to this and really hope I can get things up and running the way they were before. I am still not familiar at all with some of the lingo used here, so please tell me what KPL stands for. I clicked on the 8 button old switch and selected Replace with the new 8 button switch. Both switches showed up immediately after, but now I am only seeing the new switch. The buttons in the programming are named correctly so it appears that switched over, but the buttons are not functioning except for the load, and it is not linked with the slave. Also, I had not added a second switchlinc because the ISY99i wouldn't let me. However, after attempting to replace the old 8 button switch and the system did something weird and acted like it was rewriting every switch in the system, the new switchlinc now shows up and I have lost the old links now. Not sure what to do. I still have the backup file from when we just switched over from ISY99i to ISY994i. Do I need to resort to clicking Restore ISY from this backup file to get everything back and then try again to add the new switches? When it is trying to restore, will it recognize there are new switches without me adding them because that is what is appears it did? The about displays Firware Insteon_UD994 v.4.0.5 and the UI is Insteon_UD v.4.0.11 Thanks for any assistance you can give me. Julie Link to comment
iowaj Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 I am not going to touch anything else until I get some input. I had one old switch that was not working the way it should. I just clicked on the switch and then clicked restore device. Once again, the system is now rewriting to all devices. Praying everything is still working after this! Not sure at all what is going on. Update: Really weird! The system did rewrite the 8 button switch correctly so now that is working! I did not tell it to do anything other than trying to restore a completely different switch. The other new switchlinc I added that controls 2 bar lights in the kitchen though still did not get links copied to it. It works, but it was linked to a button on our 8 button kitchen that turned on all the kitchen lights. Maybe someone can explain how to link this switchlinc so it also operates when the button on the 8 button pad is pressed to turn on all kitchen lights. Link to comment
larryllix Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 ]I am just now getting back to this and really hope I can get things up and running the way they were before. I am still not familiar at all with some of the lingo used here, so please tell me what KPL stands for. Julie "KeyPadLinc" I am in the same boat as you and find so much jargon using acronymns in this field and most of them are common in other fields and mean other things. Really hard to get up to speed. On that note: Where is this "replace device" menu you mention, andI keep reading about? I have looked high and low and cannot find anything that would have saved me a half dozen hours a of reinstalling things. Link to comment
Brian H Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 If you want to replace a module with a similar new module. Add it to your setup. Then click on the old module and a list of replacements will be listed. Including the new one or any other one that is suitable. Relay and Dimmable devices are not suitable exchanges and would not be listed in the choice of replacements. http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index ... ace...with http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index ... g_a_Device Link to comment
Xathros Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 If you want to replace a module with a similar new module.Add it to your setup. Then click on the old module and a list of replacements will be listed. Including the new one or any other one that is suitable. Relay and Dimmable devices are not suitable exchanges and would not be listed in the choice of replacements. http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index ... ace...with http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index ... g_a_Device And - very important - the device to be replaced CANNOT be inside a folder. -Xathros Link to comment
larryllix Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Thank you, Thank you! Q: I see a pulldown list with existing devices already being used elsewhere. I would assume I would have to have an installed substitute unit listed as a spare to swap? IOW: What would happen if I picked an already in service unit? EDIT: Brian already answered that one. Link to comment
iowaj Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I am not going to touch anything else until I get some input. I had one old switch that was not working the way it should. I just clicked on the switch and then clicked restore device. Once again, the system is now rewriting to all devices. Praying everything is still working after this! Not sure at all what is going on. Update: Really weird! The system did rewrite the 8 button switch correctly so now that is working! I did not tell it to do anything other than trying to restore a completely different switch. The other new switchlinc I added that controls 2 bar lights in the kitchen though still did not get links copied to it. It works, but it was linked to a button on our 8 button kitchen that turned on all the kitchen lights. Maybe someone can explain how to link this switchlinc so it also operates when the button on the 8 button pad is pressed to turn on all kitchen lights. Any chance of getting my question answered re how to add a switchlinc to a button on the 8 button pad that already has some others linked to it? I assume this is a "scene?" Several switches control different lights in the kitchen and that one button should be set up to turn on all kitchen lights. However, the switch that went bad and is replaced is now not in the scene. How do I add it? Link to comment
LeeG Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Drag the SwitchLinc to the ISY Scene, select as Controller. Link to comment
ixlr8 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Resurrecting an old thread as I have the same issue. I had a 6 button KPL that died, replaced it with a new one, I clicked on the old KPL and there was no option to replace it. My other 2 KPL's do show the option to be replaced, but not the dead one that I removed. Any suggestions on how to get the programs from my old KPL to the new one without lots of recoding?? Thanks Link to comment
Xathros Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 There is a find/replace feature when editing programs. This will help a lot with the editing. As for the scenes, they will need to be documented then edited by hand. I suspect the new and old KPL's differ by type (dimmer vs relay) and thus, no replace with... option. -Xathros Link to comment
ixlr8 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 New one is a dimmer module, I thought the old one was as well. I just pulled the old one from the garbage and it was a relay module, guess it is time to start programming. Thanks Link to comment
Xathros Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 No problem. Happy to help. Just take it slow and careful and you shouldn't have much trouble getting everything swapped over. Don't delete the old one till you have the new one all programed. You can look at the old KPL nodes and see what they are controller and responders to as you go along. Fix up one scene at a time then recheck the old nodes to make sure you didn't miss anything. Careful use of search and replace in the programs should resolve everything there for you. -Xathros Link to comment
larryllix Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 To help facilitate this process I will rename the old model with a few "X"s at the end lie this "LightSwitchXX" The new one will get the original name used in the programs "LightSwitch" Then with the copy/replace option mentioned by Xathros above the two names are found very close to each other in the list and easy to implement Replace "LightSwitchXX" with "LightSwitch" in all programs. Of course delete the "LightSwitchXX" from the device tree when you are done. Link to comment
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