Run Folder

[apeelvis]

Does anybody know if there is a simple way to run all programs in a folder?

 

Say for instance that you have multiple programs that need to run all of the programs in a folder. And say there are a lot of programs in that folder.

 

Is there a way to:

 

If 
      condition = state variable

Then

       Run Folder ABC 

[apostolakisl]

What do you mean by running every program? You can certainly enable and disable all the programs in a folder like that, but you can't cause them to trigger. If you want them to trigger, then you need either include the state variable within the "if" section of each program, or have another program like this

 

If

state variable = x

Then

run program a if clause

run program b if clause

run program c if clause

etc.

[apeelvis]

So what I mean is this. Say you have a folder full of program like this one.

 

If 
    No Conditions

Then
    Turn on livingroom lights

 

and

 

If 
    No Conditions

Then
    Turn on familyroom lights

 

 

Let's say you have 50 rooms or 100 rooms and you want to run all the then statements if a condition in another program is true. But there are 20 other programs that could have the condition that would cause all of the 50 or 100 programs to run in that folder. Is there a way to simply call for all of those programs to run?

 

 

Yes there is...... I figured it out while I was explaining the situation. Simply include a program that executes all the 'then' programs in the folder if a condition is true. Make that condition true and after all the programs run make it untrue. Duh!

 

Nevermind.

[apostolakisl]

So what I mean is this. Say you have a folder full of program like this one.

 

If 
    No Conditions

Then
    Turn on livingroom lights

 

and

 

If 
    No Conditions

Then
    Turn on familyroom lights

 

 

Let's say you have 50 rooms or 100 rooms and you want to run all the then statements if a condition in another program is true. But there are 20 other programs that could have the condition that would cause all of the 50 or 100 programs to run in that folder. Is there a way to simply call for all of those programs to run?

 

 

Yes there is...... I figured it out while I was explaining the situation. Simply include a program that executes all the 'then' programs in the folder if a condition is true. Make that condition true and after all the programs run make it untrue. Duh!

 

Nevermind.

 

You are right, but what is the point. You could just as easily put all the "then" statements into the first program and be done with it. In other words why do this

 

If

whatever

Then

run then program a

run then program b

run then program c

etc

 

When you could get rid of the a, b, c, etc programs and simply do

 

If

whatever

Then

do whatever program a did

do whatever program b did

do whatever program c did

etc

 

Instead of a whole bunch of programs, you get 1.

[larryllix]

 

If

. whatever

Then

. run then program a

. run then program b

. run then program c

. etc

Is there a problem just running programs with no conditions defined from the (if) entrance?

 

I have been running programs (if) as subroutines, without conditions, and all seems fine.

Is this asking for trouble down the road?

[apostolakisl]

 

If

. whatever

Then

. run then program a

. run then program b

. run then program c

. etc

Is there a problem just running programs with no conditions defined from the (if) entrance?

 

I have been running programs (if) as subroutines, without conditions, and all seems fine.

Is this asking for trouble down the road?

 

There is nothing wrong with programs that have a blank "if" clause. The main reason people do this is to avoid a re-trigger.

 

In other words

 

If

status of light x is on

Then

call then program b

 

 

Program b

If

-- blank

Then

Do something

wait

do something

 

In the above example, if you had a then clause with a "wait" and the light status changed, the wait would terminate. Doing it this way the wait will finish.

[larryllix]

If

status of light x is on

Then

call then program b

 

Program b

If

-- blank

Then

Do something

wait

do something

 

In the above example, if you had a then clause with a "wait" and the light status changed, the wait would terminate. Doing it this way the wait will finish.

Thanks!

 

Just to clarify that: If a trigger condition changes and logic becomes negative, resulting in the "else" clause being invoked, the "then" clause wait timers (and following lines of code) get cancelled right where they are?

[LeeG]

"Just to clarify that: If a trigger condition changes and logic becomes negative, resulting in the "else" clause being invoked, the "then" clause wait timers (and following lines of code) get cancelled right where they are?"

 

The above is correct but not limited to If becoming False. A change in the trigger conditions cause the If to be reevaluated (while in Wait or Repeat statement) which may drive Then or Else clause.

[larryllix]

"Just to clarify that: If a trigger condition changes and logic becomes negative, resulting in the "else" clause being invoked, the "then" clause wait timers (and following lines of code) get cancelled right where they are?"

 

The above is correct but not limited to If becoming False. A change in the trigger conditions cause the If to be reevaluated (while in Wait or Repeat statement) which may drive Then or Else clause.

I kind of figured that one after previous indications that timers were all retriggerable. Glad to have it stated another way, to pound it in a little deeper.

Thanks!

[apostolakisl]

An example of what Lee said.

 

If

status light x is not off

Then

do something

wait x minutes

do something

 

This program will re-start the timer every time the light changes condition even if it never turns off. Like from 50% to 100%. Both are true, but the then clause would terminate and start over from scratch.

[larryllix]

This program will re-start the timer every time the light changes condition even if it never turns off. Like from 50% to 100%. Both are true, but the then clause would terminate and start over from scratch.

 

I haven't thought about "partial ONs" yet as I have no wall dimmers or switches but I have been aware of some of these "non black and white" states devices can have and trying to avoid the gotchas later with careful conditions code.

 

Yeah? Who am I kidding? I change some code every day. I meant "every hour". Trying to reorganise my X10 addresses to accommodate TM751 RF modules around the house. X10 address movement is a grind with the ISY though. You make an address plan and then some MS won't reach that RF module. Plan G next.

 

Thanks.

[apostolakisl]

This program will re-start the timer every time the light changes condition even if it never turns off. Like from 50% to 100%. Both are true, but the then clause would terminate and start over from scratch.

 

I haven't thought about "partial ONs" yet as I have no wall dimmers or switches but I have been aware of some of these "non black and white" states devices can have and trying to avoid the gotchas later with careful conditions code.

 

Yeah? Who am I kidding? I change some code every day. I meant "every hour". Trying to reorganise my X10 addresses to accommodate TM751 RF modules around the house. X10 address movement is a grind with the ISY though. You make an address plan and then some MS won't reach that RF module. Plan G next.

 

Thanks.

 

It sounds like you will get your monies worth out of ISY.

 

Just realize, that no matter what the trigger is, if a condition in the "if" section that is a trigger happens, the "then" or "else" stops all waits/repeats and starts over from scratch. It can happen other ways as well.

 

IF

control light x is switched on

Then

do something

wait

do something

 

If the light is on, and you click "on" that program will restart. An "on" command is a trigger regardless of the current state of the device. So it was true, and it still is true, but it starts over.

 

In contrast to this:

 

IF

status light x is on

Then

do something

wait

do something

 

This program will not re-trigger since "status" is only a trigger if it changes. This program sits idle no matter how many times you click on the on paddle if it was already on.

[larryllix]

 

It sounds like you will get your monies worth out of ISY.

 

Just realize, that no matter what the trigger is, if a condition in the "if" section that is a trigger happens, the "then" or "else" stops all waits/repeats and starts over from scratch. It can happen other ways as well.

 

IF

control light x is switched on

 

If the light is on, and you click "on" that program will restart. An "on" command is a trigger regardless of the current state of the device. So it was true, and it still is true, but it starts over.

 

In contrast to this:

 

IF

status light x is on

 

This program will not re-trigger since "status" is only a trigger if it changes. This program sits idle no matter how many times you click on the on paddle if it was already on.

 

I noticed the two conditions right away. In HomeSeer, the timers were not retriggered but you could use a cancel_event command to retrigger them. Been too long for my old X10 system logic, now but they had one timer pending PER DEVICE.

 

If

. Time_is_late=true

Then

. Go_to_bed

Else

. pass_out

 

Thanks for the education!