NJ_Mark Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 I've recently purchased and installed an ISY 99, and it is as awesome as everyone said! However I noticed that support for the KPL Countdown Timer seems a bit lacking (or I am missing something) With the KPL timer you have the ability to have individual times (buttons) act as responders to specific Insteon controls. For example I have a KLP Timer in one room, in another room I have a regular KPL where the secondary buttons are labeled 10 min, 30 min, 60 min, etc. each of those buttons will then activate the corresponding buttons on the KPL timer (and of course the load attached to the KPL timer). I was able to set this up before I purchased the ISY using the press and hold method, and when my ISY crawled the network it discovered those links and they appear to behave properly. However on the ISY admin console the KPL timer appears only as a single responding device (ie it does not acknowledge the existence of the individual buttons.) Given controls available on the ISY admin console it does not look like i could define a similar scenario using the ISY to create the links. Also if I were to restore the device from a the ISY, will my devices be programmed properly. Once again thanks for a great device. I have been lurking on this forum for quite a while before purchasing the ISY and have been impressed with the way the staff at UD respond to questions and suggestions. That was a big reason I chose purchase my ISY. (Well that and the cool features )
Michel Kohanim Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Hello NJ_Mark, Thanks so very much for the feedback. To be honest, we had no clue that KPL sub buttons can be programmed as responders. I think the main reason for not even considering such a scenario was because we tested them as a controllers but all buttons send out group 1 (as if you pressed the load button). Now that you have brought this up, would you be kind enough to confirm that these buttons can NOT be controllers? We shall fix this in our next (or possibly the official 2.7). Thanks again and with kind regards, Michel quote="NJ_Mark"]I've recently purchased and installed an ISY 99, and it is as awesome as everyone said! However I noticed that support for the KPL Countdown Timer seems a bit lacking (or I am missing something) With the KPL timer you have the ability to have individual times (buttons) act as responders to specific Insteon controls. For example I have a KLP Timer in one room, in another room I have a regular KPL where the secondary buttons are labeled 10 min, 30 min, 60 min, etc. each of those buttons will then activate the corresponding buttons on the KPL timer (and of course the load attached to the KPL timer). I was able to set this up before I purchased the ISY using the press and hold method, and when my ISY crawled the network it discovered those links and they appear to behave properly. However on the ISY admin console the KPL timer appears only as a single responding device (ie it does not acknowledge the existence of the individual buttons.) Given controls available on the ISY admin console it does not look like i could define a similar scenario using the ISY to create the links. Also if I were to restore the device from a the ISY, will my devices be programmed properly. Once again thanks for a great device. I have been lurking on this forum for quite a while before purchasing the ISY and have been impressed with the way the staff at UD respond to questions and suggestions. That was a big reason I chose purchase my ISY. (Well that and the cool features )
NJ_Mark Posted July 17, 2008 Author Posted July 17, 2008 Michel, Yeah I am beginning to think that I am the only person who has bought this thing They have a weird logic it is very different than most other Insteon devices. This is based solely on my experience playing with the device, but here goes. Assume a KPL Timer linked to a regular KPL (controller) where the secondary buttons (toggle mode) were linked to various time buttons (10, 15, 30, 60 min) on the KPL Timer (Timer) The buttons on the timer can be responders but they act in a mutually exclusive fashion, (ie only one is on at a time) therefor if a controller linked to the 10 minute button is pressed the 10 min button will light up on the timer and the load will go on. If you were to press a controller linked to the 15 min. timer button, the LED on the 15 min. timer button would turn on, the LED on the 10 min button (on the timer) would go out, and the load will continue run unchanged (except for duration). However when working as a controlling device, the KPL Timer blasts out on or off to all connected devices regardless of what button is pressed. For example if we take our previous scenario and assume we cross linked the timer back to the KPL controller buttons. As soon a you would press the 10 min button the the 10 min LED would light up on the timer and the load would go on. Back at our remote KPL, every button (10, 15, 30, 60 min) linked to the timer would light up because the timer sent out an on command to each linked device. The LEDs on the remote KPL would all stay lit until the time on the timer expired (or was otherwise turned off) at which time all of the LEDs on the KPL controller would go out. Further ,if you were to turn on the timer locally using any button all the linked buttons on the remote KPL would light up. I hope that wasn't too confusing. Now time for another request. I am using my KPL with the dimming function and the "flash at 1 min" disabled because I am running a bathroom fan. This can be done through a series of press and holds as explained in the product manual. Any chance the ISY could be used to set these conditions as well. Thanks so very much for the feedback. To be honest, we had no clue that KPL sub buttons can be programmed as responders. I think the main reason for not even considering such a scenario was because we tested them as a controllers but all buttons send out group 1 (as if you pressed the load button). Now that you have brought this up, would you be kind enough to confirm that these buttons can NOT be controllers? We shall fix this in our next (or possibly the official 2.7). Thanks again and with kind regards, Michel
Michel Kohanim Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Hello NJ_Mark, Thanks so very much for sharing this information with us. So, in short, they can only work as responders. If they are cross linked with another KPL, they cannot control the backlight state of the other KPL's buttons, right? With kind regards, Michel
NJ_Mark Posted July 18, 2008 Author Posted July 18, 2008 Correct, the KPL Timer acts as several responders but only one controller. If individual timer buttons are cross linked *each* button on the timer will change the state of *every* device linked to the timer. Hello NJ_Mark, Thanks so very much for sharing this information with us. So, in short, they can only work as responders. If they are cross linked with another KPL, they cannot control the backlight state of the other KPL's buttons, right? With kind regards, Michel
Michel Kohanim Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 NJ_Mark, Thanks so very much. We'll start working on it shortly. With kind regards, Michel Correct, the KPL Timer acts as several responders but only one controller. If individual timer buttons are cross linked *each* button on the timer will change the state of *every* device linked to the timer. Hello NJ_Mark, Thanks so very much for sharing this information with us. So, in short, they can only work as responders. If they are cross linked with another KPL, they cannot control the backlight state of the other KPL's buttons, right? With kind regards, Michel
jwagner010 Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Michel, This is also creating issues in my Network Setup. Any indication of what release and when we we see full support for the KPL Timer? Thanks
Michel Kohanim Posted August 4, 2008 Posted August 4, 2008 Hello again, We are working on allowing the buttons to be responders in scenes (having a hard time) ... are there other issues that you are experiencing? With kind regards, Michel Michel, This is also creating issues in my Network Setup. Any indication of what release and when we we see full support for the KPL Timer? Thanks
jwagner010 Posted August 5, 2008 Posted August 5, 2008 Michel, My issue is that I have a program that turns on the load on the KPL Timer. My issue is that when I have the program issue an On or a Fast On the load turns on but under the 2 minute button, and therefore turns off two miutes later. As the buttons are not supported as responders, I cannot control this. So the issue is still the same just need to be able to have Timer KPL buttons act as individual responders.
Michel Kohanim Posted August 6, 2008 Posted August 6, 2008 Hello jwagner010, Yes, I just verified this problem. We shall start working on it ... as I mentioned before, this one has been quite tricky. I am hoping to have it included in our next drop. With kind regards, Michel Michel, My issue is that I have a program that turns on the load on the KPL Timer. My issue is that when I have the program issue an On or a Fast On the load turns on but under the 2 minute button, and therefore turns off two miutes later. As the buttons are not supported as responders, I cannot control this. So the issue is still the same just need to be able to have Timer KPL buttons act as individual responders.
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