johnnyt Posted December 1, 2014 Posted December 1, 2014 I was trying to troubleshoot what I'll call a localized "all on" event where all insteon devices in our master bedroom went ON when I noticed that turning the master bedroom ceiling light was not being recording in the log. Further down are the log entries for one of 3 identical tests I did with identical results, followed by the event viewer at level 3 during the same test period. What's supposed to happen (and has been happening fine for a couple of years) is that when I fast off The "Master Bedroom Ceiling Light" with address 16.9C.3C a program either turns a floor lamp ON if it is off (program 1) or OFF if it is on (program 2). The log records the scene calls made by the program but not the fast off event for Master Bedroom Ceiling Light that preceded it even though the latter is picked up in the event viewer. The device is an ICON Dimmer v.39 (2876DB) in case that makes a difference. Program 1 - When floor lamp if OFF and Ceiling light is turned Fast Off If Control 'Bedrooms / Master Bedroom Ceiling Light' is switched Fast Off And Status 'Bedrooms / LaurenKPL.1-Floor Lamp(Xlink)' is Off And Status 'Bedrooms / Master WIC2 On-Off Module' is Off And Status 'Bedrooms / Master WIC 1' is Off Then Set Scene 'Bedrooms / Floor Lamp Medium for Prgs' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Program 2 - when floor lamp is ON if ceiling light is turn fast off If Control 'Bedrooms / Master Bedroom Ceiling Light' is switched Fast Off And ( Status 'Bedrooms / LaurenKPL.1-Floor Lamp(Xlink)' is not Off Or Status 'Bedrooms / Master WIC2 On-Off Module' is not Off Or Status 'Bedrooms / Master WIC 1' is not Off ) Then Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Bedrooms / Dim Lighting for Prgs' Fast Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Unless I'm missing something, the Off for "Master Bedroom Ceiling Light" should have been recorded immediately above the Scene calls below. Scene:1-MISC (Non Lighting) / Bathroom Fan - Main / Bathroom Fan (ON) for Prgs On 255 Sun 2014/11/30 07:48:52 PM Program Log 1-MISC (Non Lighting) / Bathroom Fan - Main / MainBath.D - Fan Status 100% Sun 2014/11/30 07:48:52 PM System Log 1-MISC (Non Lighting) / Bathroom Fan - Main / Bathroom Fan Relay Status 100% Sun 2014/11/30 07:48:52 PM System Log Scene:Bedrooms / Floor Lamp Medium for Prgs On Sun 2014/11/30 07:50:58 PM Program Log Bedrooms / LaurenKPL.1-Floor Lamp(Xlink) Status 40% Sun 2014/11/30 07:50:58 PM System Log Bedrooms / LaurenKPL.B-Floor Lamp(Xlink) Status 100% Sun 2014/11/30 07:50:58 PM System Log Bedrooms / JeanKPL.1-FloorLamp(capped) Status 100% Sun 2014/11/30 07:50:58 PM System Log Scene:Bedrooms / Dim Lighting for Prgs Fast Off Sun 2014/11/30 07:51:03 PM Program Log Bedrooms / LaurenKPL.1-Floor Lamp(Xlink) Status 0% Sun 2014/11/30 07:51:03 PM System Log Bedrooms / LaurenKPL.B-Floor Lamp(Xlink) Status 0% Sun 2014/11/30 07:51:03 PM System Log Bedrooms / JeanKPL.1-FloorLamp(capped) Status 0% Sun 2014/11/30 07:51:03 PM System Log Z-Dusk and Low Bat Sensors / Main Bath Dusk-Dawn Status 100% Sun 2014/11/30 07:51:52 PM System Log Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:43 PM : [ Time] 19:50:54 11(0)Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:47 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 16.9C.3C 00.00.01 CF 14 00 LTOFF-F(00)Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:47 PM : [std-Group ] 16.9C.3C-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:47 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [16 9C 3C 1] [DFOF] [0] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:47 PM : [ 16 9C 3C 1] DFOF 0Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:47 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 16.9C.3C 2F.B5.FB 45 14 01 LTOFF-F(01)Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:47 PM : [std-Cleanup ] 16.9C.3C-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=1Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:47 PM : [iNST-DUP ] Previous message ignored.Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:47 PM : [D2D-CMP 00C5] CTL [16 9C 3C 1] DFOF op=1 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-) --> trueSun 11/3/2014 07:50:47 PM : [D2D-CMP 00C4] CTL [16 9C 3C 1] DFOF op=1 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/3/2014 07:50:47 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 48 CF 11 00Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:48 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.48 CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00)Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [16 77 E5 1] [sT] [102] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:48 PM : [ 16 77 E5 1] ST 102Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D-CMP 02A1] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=2 Event(val=102 uom=0 prec=-1) < Condition(val=63 uom=0 prec=-) --> falseSun 11/302014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D-CMP 0274] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=2 Event(val=102 uom=0 prec=-1) < Condition(val=63 uom=0 prec=-1) --> falseSun 11/302014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D-CMP 0275] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=2 Event(val=102 uom=0 prec=-1) < Condition(val=63 uom=0 prec=-1) --> falseSun 11/302014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D-CMP 0273] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=2 Event(val=102 uom=0 prec=-1) < Condition(val=63 uom=0 prec=-1) --> falseSun 11/302014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D-CMP 00C5] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=6 Event(val=102 uom=0 prec=-1) != Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/3/2014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D-CMP 00C4] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=1 Event(val=102 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> falseSun 11/30/2014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D-CMP 00B0] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=3 Event(val=102 uom=0 prec=-1) > Condition(val=249 uom=0 prec=-) --> falseSun 11/30/2014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D-CMP 009D] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=6 Event(val=102 uom=0 prec=-1) != Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-) --> trueSun 11/3/2014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D-CMP 009D] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=6 Event(val=102 uom=0 prec=-1) != Condition(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/30/2014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D-CMP 008E] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=1 Event(val=102 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> falseSun 11/30/2014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D-CMP 00A1] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=2 Event(val=102 uom=0 prec=-1) < Condition(val=63 uom=0 prec=-1) --> falseSun 11/30/2014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [16 77 E5 2] [sT] [255] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:48 PM : [ 16 77 E5 2] ST 255Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:48 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [16 74 DF 1] [sT] [255] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:48 PM : [ 16 74 DF 1] ST 255Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:51 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 16.9C.3C 00.00.01 CF 14 00 LTOFF-F(00)Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:51 PM : [std-Group ] 16.9C.3C-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:51 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [16 9C 3C 1] [DFOF] [0] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:51 PM : [ 16 9C 3C 1] DFOF 0Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:51 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 16.9C.3C 2F.B5.FB 45 14 01 LTOFF-F(01)Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:51 PM : [std-Cleanup ] 16.9C.3C-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=1Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:51 PM : [iNST-DUP ] Previous message ignored.Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:51 PM : [D2D-CMP 00C5] CTL [16 9C 3C 1] DFOF op=1 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/30/2014 07:50:51 PM : [D2D-CMP 00C4] CTL [16 9C 3C 1] DFOF op=1 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 3D CF 14 00Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.3D CF 14 00 06 LTOFF-F(00)Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [16 77 E5 1] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [ 16 77 E5 1] ST 0Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 02A1] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=2 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) < Condition(val=63 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 0274] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=2 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) < Condition(val=63 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 0275] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=2 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) < Condition(val=63 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 0273] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=2 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) < Condition(val=63 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 00C5] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=6 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) != Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> falseSun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 00C4] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=1 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 00B0] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=3 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) > Condition(val=249 uom=0 prec=-1) --> falseSun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 009D] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=6 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) != Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> falseSun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 009D] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=6 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) != Condition(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 008E] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=1 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 00A1] STS [16 77 E5 1] ST op=2 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) < Condition(val=63 uom=0 prec=-1) --> trueSun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [16 77 E5 2] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [ 16 77 E5 2] ST 0Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [16 74 DF 1] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:53 PM : [ 16 74 DF 1] ST 0Sun 11/30/2014 07:50:54 PM : [ Time] 19:51:05 11(0)
Michel Kohanim Posted December 2, 2014 Posted December 2, 2014 Hi johnnyt, I think the issue is that logs only capture changes in state and not physical activity. So, if the device was off before, it really does not matter how many times you physically turn it off as those won't be logged. With kind regards, Michel
johnnyt Posted December 3, 2014 Author Posted December 3, 2014 Thanks, that explains it as well as maybe other situations that left me confused in the past. Any chance the log could show what happens on the insteon network, not just what's changed? Would help with troubleshooting. Thanks for considering it.
Michel Kohanim Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 Hi johnnyt, We did consider but left it in the Event Viewer. This way you can see everything and not just what we think is important. Of course if the problem happens in a span of more than a few days, then Event Viewer will not be a good solution either. With kind regards,Michel
johnnyt Posted December 4, 2014 Author Posted December 4, 2014 Yes, event viewer is fine for active troubleshooting when the problem is easy to reproduce and with guys like LeeG around to help read/understand the messages but it's not so good when you're on your own or faced with something that's hard to catch/reproduce or intermittent. Personally, I've had a lot in the latter group, many of which remain unsolved mysteries to this day - like the problem that prompted this thread - but if that's not enough people's experience, I understand. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Michel Kohanim Posted December 5, 2014 Posted December 5, 2014 Hi johnnyt, Understood. We definitely can't use the same log file. Perhaps we should have a debug only log with the name of programs and all other device activities. With kind regards , Michel
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