PhanTomiZ Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I had the same issue. My fix was simple. There is a "Query All" program under "Programs". I simply unchecked "Enabled" on the right side, hit "Save Changes" and haven't had an issue since. I have mine setup to text me if the door is open for more than 15 minutes. How important is this 3:00am Query All program? Must be of some importance if UDI included this one and only program. PhanTomiZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 How important is this 3:00am Query All program? Must be of some importance if UDI included this one and only program. PhanTomiZ The program is there to ensure at least once a day the ISY Series Controller is updated with the latest status of the Insteon devices in your network. You can certainly disable it if you believe your network is solid. In my eyes this check up should be left in place as its the only means for the system to know the current status of your devices besides on reboot. The check on reboot can also be disabled too but I wouldn't disable that either because there would be no fail over from that point on. It really comes down to how comfortable you feel your network is in terms of reliability etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhanTomiZ Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 99.9% of the time, this is the result of using the Trigger Reverse option on the IOLinc sensor. Trigger Reverse reverses the ON/Off commandes sent by the IOLinc sensor when the sensor input changes. When On it sends Off and when Off it sends On. However, when the IOLinc is directly queried, it returns the true sensor status (not the reversed status) making it look to the ISY that the sensor changed state. Recheck the options and be sure to click the query button in the options dialog to ensure that you are seeing the current options as reflected by the IOLinc. Also make sure the options screen is sized large enough to display all of the options. Trigger Reverse is the bottom left option and can be hidden if the dialog is sized too small. Hope this helps. -Xathros I've had my garage door scene working flawlessly now for a few months. I was reading a post yesterday, an older one, and thought it would be a good time to add a program to close the door if it stays open for more than 10 minutes throughout the night. It didn't get through the night and the door opened when the "Query All" program ran at 3am. I'm up at 5am, anyway, so it was only open for 2 hours. Camera installed in garage so no intruders... You are correct in that my Trigger Reverse option is enabled on the IOLinc. When I run the "Query all" or just "Query" for the device, it causes the IOLinc Sens to change from off to on, triggering the scene and then after 10 minutes opening the door. Is there an easy way around this with software or will I have to replace the sensor with a N.O. or N.C.; opposite of what comes with the Insteon Garage Kit? Thanks PhanTomiz BTW, my short term fix is to add my KPL Garage open button in the if statement, so as long as this button is on then the door will automatically close... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xathros Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Changing the sensor is by far the best option. -Xathros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhanTomiZ Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 The program is there to ensure at least once a day the ISY Series Controller is updated with the latest status of the Insteon devices in your network. You can certainly disable it if you believe your network is solid. In my eyes this check up should be left in place as its the only means for the system to know the current status of your devices besides on reboot. The check on reboot can also be disabled too but I wouldn't disable that either because there would be no fail over from that point on. It really comes down to how comfortable you feel your network is in terms of reliability etc. I will keep mine there...Both... Changing the sensor is by far the best option. -Xathros Do you have the link handy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xathros Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Do you have the link handy? http://www.smarthome.com/seco-larm-sm-226l-3-magnetic-garage-door-contact-switch.html -Xathros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryllix Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I've had my garage door scene working flawlessly now for a few months. I was reading a post yesterday, an older one, and thought it would be a good time to add a program to close the door if it stays open for more than 10 minutes throughout the night. It didn't get through the night and the door opened when the "Query All" program ran at 3am. I'm up at 5am, anyway, so it was only open for 2 hours. Camera installed in garage so no intruders... You are correct in that my Trigger Reverse option is enabled on the IOLinc. When I run the "Query all" or just "Query" for the device, it causes the IOLinc Sens to change from off to on, triggering the scene and then after 10 minutes opening the door. Is there an easy way around this with software or will I have to replace the sensor with a N.O. or N.C.; opposite of what comes with the Insteon Garage Kit? Thanks PhanTomiz BTW, my short term fix is to add my KPL Garage open button in the if statement, so as long as this button is on then the door will automatically close... If the contact change indication is temporary couldn't one just insert the equivalent to a contact debounce rejection timer on the entrance to the closing program triggering? If contact open and contact not closed then Wait 45 seconds Run program (if) door_is_open else /* cancels then wait --- or are these small sensors badly intermittent in wind rattling or too sensitive positioning? If the query is triggering this a better contact sensor shouldn't correct the incorrect status change problem or is it a contact polarity change that resolves the query problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xathros Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Larry- The problem here is that the wrong type of reed switch is in use requiring the use of the "Trigger Reverse" option on the IOLinc. Any query of the IOLinc will return the true state of the sensor rather than the "Trigger Reversed" state of the sensor thus flipping the state with the 3am query. Appropriate solution is to swap the sensor and disable trigger reverse. -Xathros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhanTomiZ Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Played a little more with this and I believe I have it. Please have a look and let me know if you see how this may not work correctly or if I missed a specific scenario... Day and Night programs are the same except for time (only showing Daytime for simplicity) Send notification 1 email telling me it's open Wait 10 min Send notification 2 email telling me it's closed Beep Duration gives me some warning that the door is automatically closing When 3am comes around and does a Query all, the Sensor changes state to on, but because I have my Garage Dr KPL is 100%, the door will not open during this time. I do get an annoying text telling me that the door is closed (true state). When I activate the door during the day or night by either using the Garage Dr. KPL or my remote key fob or my built in garage door remote in my car or the garage door wired remote, the sensor stays in the on state, the relay toggles and the door opens. After 10 minutes the door automatically closes and the sensor state goes back to the off state when the door is closed, until such time I either manually query the Scene or the Query all at 3am. In any event, the door doesn't open with a query. The text message sent gives me an accurate status of the garage door either open or closed.... PhanTomiZ Garage Door Auto Close Day - [iD 002D][Parent 0030] If From 6:00:00AM To 10:00:00PM (same day) And Status 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' is On And Status 'Kitchen / Devices / Kitchen KPL-2B.99.69.1 / Kitchen KPL.H - Garage Dr KPL' is 100% Then Send Notification to 'Default' content 'Default Subject' Wait 10 minutes and 5 seconds Send Notification to 'Default' content 'Default Subject' Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Set 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' 1 (Beep Duration) Wait 5 seconds Set Scene 'Garage / Scenes / Garage Dr Opener' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Garage Door Status Send Text - [iD 0032][Parent 0030] If Status 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Relay' is On And ( Status 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' is On Or Status 'Garage / Devices / Garage DR - 2F.78.68-Sens' is not Off ) Then Wait 3 seconds Send Notification to 'Text Message' content 'Garage Door Is Open' Else Wait 3 seconds Send Notification to 'Text Message' content 'Garage Door is Closed' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Have you considered MyQ as a solution? I finally solved all my problems with the garage door by going to MyQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryllix Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Larry- The problem here is that the wrong type of reed switch is in use requiring the use of the "Trigger Reverse" option on the IOLinc. Any query of the IOLinc will return the true state of the sensor rather than the "Trigger Reversed" state of the sensor thus flipping the state with the 3am query. Appropriate solution is to swap the sensor and disable trigger reverse. -Xathros Thanks but... Why can the trigger reverse be eliminated and just reverse logic in the programming? This seems too simple and I know if you are sticking to your guns on this there will be some reason behind it. I also see one of these in the future for myself, possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oberkc Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Why can the trigger reverse be eliminated and just reverse logic in the programming? I have not followed this thread in much detail, so I hope you forgive me if I am in left field here. If, in fact, you are using programs exclusively triggered by your sensor, then you can absolutely reverse the logic. The problems come more when there are scenes involved, coupled with the desire to have responder ON = OPEN. With the sensor that is currently supplied, apparently this is reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryllix Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I have not followed this thread in much detail, so I hope you forgive me if I am in left field here. If, in fact, you are using programs exclusively triggered by your sensor, then you can absolutely reverse the logic. The problems come more when there are scenes involved, coupled with the desire to have responder ON = OPEN. With the sensor that is currently supplied, apparently this is reversed. Ahh...when we bypass ISY with a direct link between devices. That makes sense but I couldn't figure out why we would want a door sensor to directly control anything. Perhaps a light. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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