Help with simple doorbell program?

[rlanza1054]

Hi all,

 

I finally received my I/O Linc - INSTEON 24950A6 Doorbell and Telephone Ring Alert Kit

 

http://www.smarthome.com/i-o-linc-insteon-24950a6-doorbell-and-telephone-ring-alert-kit.html

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I purchased a cheap wired doorbell, so I could test everything out within hands reach of my computer, when everything is done, I will move the I/O Linc and hook it up to my existing doorbell.

 

I wired up the temp doorbell with its power supply and with a  simple momentary doorbell switch. Then wired it to the included ELK-930 that came with the kit. The ELK-930 is an interface between the doorbell's circuit and the input sensor of the I/O Linc. And finally wired it to the I/O Linc. ELK NEG to I/O Linc GND and ELK OUTPUT to I/O Linc SENSOR.

 

I added the I/O Linc to the ISY994.

 

It gets added to the ISy as two items, one is Doorbell IO Linc-Relay and the second is Doorbell IO Linc-Sensor

 

I then setup a temporary scene called 'Doorbell Scene'.

 

I added one Insteon light to the scene and then added the Doorbell IO Linc-Sensor.

 

I then proceeded to physically ring the doorbell switch.

 

It works as advertised!

 

The issue is, because the doorbell is a momentary switch the light just does a very fast flash on and then quickly turns off. If you are not looking you would miss that it happened.

 

So I figured it needs a program to turn on the light when it sensed a doorbell signal via the I/O Linc, where I can control how long to keep the light on and when to turn it off, possible repeating turn on and off until a tap of a light switch to stop the program and reset it for the next time the doorbell is rung.

 

Unless there is some other way of controlling the duration of the light going on and off using the scene?

 

After that, I will be using the I/O Linc's built-in RELAY to have a switch or motion sensor ring the doorbell, as I have read about in the forums.

 

Thanks for an ideas on how to do this or poimting me to one that was already created!

 

Rob

 

 

 

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[stusviews]

If

        Control 'I/O Linc Sensor' is switched On

 

Then

        Repeat  x  times

        Set 'Whatever device you want to respond' On

        Wait  y seconds

        Set 'Whatever device you want to respond' Off

[rlanza1054]

Hehehe.. Studs, thanks!

[rlanza1054]

Hehehe.. Studs, thanks!

Stusview,

 

I just found a option called Beep, what is that?

 

I was adding the Set Doorbell Scene on and found a command I never saw before "beep"?

 

Is that just the beep noise a module makes?

 

Rob

[stusviews]

Beep causes some device that have sound to beep a bit. Duration is usually ignored and any sound is really weak. Yes, it's the beep noise a module makes.

[rlanza1054]

Beep causes some device that have sound to beep a bit. Duration is usually ignored and any sound is really weak. Yes, it's the beep noise a module makes.

 

Thanks.

 

I think I am going to give up on the motion sensor with the doorbell, I am testing it but am running in to general issues with the I/O Linc.

 

It seems if I want to do both, using the Sensor option with the ELK-930 with a standard doorbell switch and the I/O Linc relay option to ring the doorbell using an  Insteon device either it be a motion sensor or mini remote, it causes some issues.

 

For some reasons, if I trigger the relay of the I/O Linc its turning on the Sensor.

 

So if I have a program or scene to flash a light if the Sensor is triggered, them using the relay to trigger the doorbell, it also triggers the sensor causing a loop.

 

I have figured out how to break out of the loop but it might not be worth it.

 

And one would say why would I want both to be active, I guess the best answer is, to give the option of using a standard way of ringing the doorbell if the motion sensor did not trigger the doorbell.

 

I guess this is why they say to use two separate I/O Linc's for using the Sensor and using the Relay, so you don't end up with the loop. I forget where I read it.

 

But at least I got both ways to work, I just have to figure out what will be best for me.

 

If I decide to go with the mini remote, I need to wait for the next sale before I place an order for it.

 

Also, I will end up getting a second I/O Linc since I have it on back order the I/O Linc - INSTEON 50810 Remote Chime Alert Kit. This kit includes an I/O Linc. Its probably overkill at this point, but now that I know what it can do its probably good to have this available for a future project if I don't end up using the their chime bell.

 

Sorry, woke up down in the dumps today.

 

Rob

[DenisZhan]

Your discussion is looking too interesting and i want to know about your doorbell and the telephone ring.

What are the specifications of both and what type of circuits it contains?

I am also working on this type of projects and want to know more about its prgramming, imean what type of code it is and why it is there?

 

pcb manufacturer

[Brian H]

The Smarthome Kit uses an ELK930 Doorbell and Telephone Ring Detector set of boards. Two doorbell boards and one telephone board are on a snap apart board.

Elk930 Manual if you are interested.

http://cache-m2.smarthome.com/manuals/1221.pdf

 

They are used on the Sensor Input of an Insteon I/O Linc.

http://cache-m2.smarthome.com/manuals/2450.pdf

 

Kit Quick Guide

http://cache-m2.smarthome.com/manuals/24950a6-qsg.pdf

[rlanza1054]

Your discussion is looking too interesting and i want to know about your doorbell and the telephone ring.

What are the specifications of both and what type of circuits it contains?

I am also working on this type of projects and want to know more about its prgramming, imean what type of code it is and why it is there?

Sorry, I had gotten sick last week really bad. I got sick the morning I woke up to fly down to Florida to visit my 92 year old Mother. I cancelled the flight, took the loss on the ticket (did get some of it credit back to account).

 

I don't know if I told you all, but I blew up the record-able doorbell. I was cleaning up my temporary wiring to make it more permanent and I must have hooked it up incorrectly and it shorted out the  amplifier on the record-able doorbell. Their tech support was nice enough send me a replacement. But it came when I was sick so its still in the box.

 

I decided to make a fancy enclosure for the doorbell transformer and all the wiring connections.

 

I wanted a metal box like an electrical circuit breaker box, but that was too expensive.

 

So one day while shopping at Costco, I purchased a tin of xmas cookies. Yes, those metal tin boxes.

 

I spray paint the red box with White rubberized paint. The stuff you use to paint you car rims with.

 

So the cover and the outside are now white. I drill a large hole in the bottom or you could say the back of the box.

 

I mounted it on the wall in closet; using Velcro, by the front door which is were the doorbell transform had been for years.

 

I purchased a cheap hobbyist breadboard wiring kit.

 

I pulled the wires in from the back,of the tin.

 

I haven't hooked it up yet but labeled all wires using the Brother label printer using the special laminated label paper for wiring.

 

And in the end the cookie tin cover will just seal it up so nobody can disturb the wiring.

 

If you still more info on what doorbell I purchased I will list the link again. But I did post the information here in another thread.

 

The Insteon stuff I used Brian posted above.

 

I am using the ELK-930 which comes with the Insteon I/O Linc Low voltage modules 2450, the two item come with the Smarthome Doorbell (and Telephone) kit.

 

The doorbell was purchased from 1800doorbell.com and its called the iChime. See other thread, which I actual have available the built-in sounds besides you being able to record 6 10 second sounds that can be used. It has an option for an external speaker which you can place further away from the built-in speaker (its a wired external speaker, not wireless). And I has a volume control, which is actually very very loud at full volume, which is a complaint about other cheaper record-able doorbells. It has the option for a back door hookup. Its not cheap, the only down side.

 

As I originally asked, I am using the I/O Low voltage to see if the doorbell rang, which then flashes some lights via ISY program and also I use the I/O Low voltage to trigger the back door doorbell switch when a Open/Close Sensor is triggered.

 

So if someone rings the doorbell the lights flash as the doorbell plays its tunes.

 

And in my case, if that door is actually opened, it trigger the back doorbell tunes and flashes some lights.

 

I hope to have it back up and running before I go to Florida in about 10 days.

 

I hope this is clear on what I'm doing, what are you planning on doing.

 

Rob

[rlanza1054]

Hi all,

 

Well managed to get the replacement iChime doorbell installed again and its working as it was supposed to and the programs I wrote to flash the lights are working as they should be.

 

For those interested here is what my custom metal housing I made for the transformer and wiring connections to both doorbells looks like!

 

 

Rob

[Brian H]

I like the fact you put a label on each wire.

Will make testing an troubleshooting easier.