Teken Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 I'm sitting in a cafe in Saigon so I have to use my phone and frankly, this conversation bores me. Best regards, Gary Funk You should really be enjoying the weather, company, and vacation then. HA debates and discussions will always be ready and waiting for you once you return to NA.
G W Posted August 19, 2016 Author Posted August 19, 2016 LOL, I believe my point has been made.I don't know if you made your point or not. But to say the Elk is outdated is just wrong. Best regards, Gary Funk
G W Posted August 19, 2016 Author Posted August 19, 2016 You should really be enjoying the weather, company, and vacation then. HA debates and discussions will always be ready and waiting for you once you return to NA.The weather here sucks. It's hot and humid. I enjoy the company; my wife, her family, my friends and the thousands of beautiful women. But I also have to keep up with life and reality. Best regards, Gary Funk
Teken Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 The weather here sucks. It's hot and humid. I enjoy the company; my wife, her family, my friends and the thousands of beautiful women. But I also have to keep up with life and reality. Best regards, Gary Funk Gary, Go enjoy the rest of your day in a great land of beauty and history along with the amazing food. Discussions on technology with opposing views will always be here for debate.
G W Posted August 19, 2016 Author Posted August 19, 2016 Gary, Go enjoy the rest of your day in a great land of beauty and history along with the amazing food. Discussions on technology with opposing views will always be here for debate. It's night. I'm now home enjoying a cold drink and a room cooled my a Panasonic AC unit that my father-in-law had installed so I'd be comfortable. Now if I can convince my wife to by a mattress that is softer than concrete I'll be real happy. Best regards, Gary Funk
Teken Posted August 19, 2016 Posted August 19, 2016 It's night. I'm now home enjoying a cold drink and a room cooled my a Panasonic AC unit that my father-in-law had installed so I'd be comfortable. Now if I can convince my wife to by a mattress that is softer than concrete I'll be real happy. Best regards, Gary Funk LMAO . . . Good night you!
giesen Posted August 31, 2016 Posted August 31, 2016 So I contacted ELK and here is what I found out. -You can not use the XEP with the C1M1 and there is no passthrough. -The C1M1 uses Telguard and requires you to use their service (through the Alarm Monitoring Company) so no "bring your own sim". Again I have looked and I can't find a "bring your own sim to any device" so far. -To confuse you more, the C1M1 can actually work with other Home Automation devices but not the ISY. It can work via drivers with RTI, Control4, etc. -Also don't get too excited about the "APP" - it only pushes "Arm" and "Disarmed" and you loose the 16 email addresses with customizations that are in the XEP. -It is not intended or planned to replace the XEP ...So over all new product "MEH" If you have anything else I missed and you want answers to let me know and I will do my best to get them. A post from Brad Weeks (Support Manager at Elk) on the Elk Forum (http://www.elkproducts.com/ForumRetrieve.aspx?ForumID=2829&TopicID=2112291&NoTemplate=False) There is no special ASCII protocol or API required to connect with the M1 through C1M1. The same ELK protocol currently used with the M1XEP (or direct via serial port 0) can be used with the C1M1. If you have a terminal emulator program or an existing copy of ElkRM or M1ToGo you should have no problems connecting with the C1M1 non-securely onPort 2101. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk
G W Posted August 31, 2016 Author Posted August 31, 2016 A post from Brad Weeks (Support Manager at Elk) on the Elk Forum (http://www.elkproducts.com/ForumRetrieve.aspx?ForumID=2829&TopicID=2112291&NoTemplate=False) There is no special ASCII protocol or API required to connect with the M1 through C1M1. The same ELK protocol currently used with the M1XEP (or direct via serial port 0) can be used with the C1M1. If you have a terminal emulator program or an existing copy of ElkRM or M1ToGo you should have no problems connecting with the C1M1 non-securely onPort 2101. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk What's your point? It's still a system we don't want because it is closed. Best regards, Gary Funk
giesen Posted August 31, 2016 Posted August 31, 2016 What's your point? It's still a system we don't want because it is closed. Best regards, Gary Funk Is not nearly as terrible as we first suspected. Yes, the Telguard lock-in sucks, and will make it unusable for many people, but now with confirmed access to the serial API it's gone from an atrocious product to merely mediocre. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk
G W Posted August 31, 2016 Author Posted August 31, 2016 I don't think anyone here worried about the ElkM1 talking to the POS-C1M1. We still want an open method of communication. A cellular radio we can use on the carrier of our choice is what we want. Short and to the point. Best regards, Gary Funk
G W Posted August 31, 2016 Author Posted August 31, 2016 There are several open cellular radio devices out that are cheap. It won't be hard to build a device that can access an API to communicate with a monitoring company and SMS/MMS, even live audio and video. Short and to the point. Best regards, Gary Funk
Scottmichaelj Posted August 31, 2016 Posted August 31, 2016 Post #13 I stated it did work with other HA companies like C4 etc via the API that Brad is talking about. However they said it didn't work with the ISY and no one from UDI has confirmed it will work either. Although I'm not sure either Elk or UDI have actually tried it either so who knows it may? Gary is right though we (at least I am) were looking for and open cellular backup option to CS.
giesen Posted August 31, 2016 Posted August 31, 2016 Im actually marginally interested as I don't have monitoring so using Telguard doesn't put me off that much. Brad said it uses the standard Elk Serial API so no reason it wouldn't continue to work with ISY Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk
G W Posted August 31, 2016 Author Posted August 31, 2016 Im actually marginally interested as I don't have monitoring so using Telguard doesn't put me off that much. Brad said it uses the standard Elk Serial API so no reason it wouldn't continue to work with ISY Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk We know it will work. Our complaint is lack of vendors it will work with. Short and to the point. Best regards, Gary Funk
aat0995 Posted September 1, 2016 Posted September 1, 2016 Expensive, but I think this would work on 3G and provide a dial tone for the elk - just like the HAI C3... http://www.ericssonw35.com/ Will this work to replace HAI c3 for POTS pass through?
MWareman Posted September 1, 2016 Posted September 1, 2016 Will this work to replace HAI c3 for POTS pass through?Not that I can tell....
Scottmichaelj Posted September 1, 2016 Posted September 1, 2016 Will this work to replace HAI c3 for POTS pass through? Not that I can tell.... If it works like any other the others from Telguard, Uplink or Alarm Relays IPTel they are dedicated lines. Which is part of the bummer of them vs the old HAI units.
aat0995 Posted September 2, 2016 Posted September 2, 2016 If it works like any other the others from Telguard, Uplink or Alarm Relays IPTel they are dedicated lines. Which is part of the bummer of them vs the old HAI units. It looks it might work based on a post on cocoontech. Not sure if I am allowed to hotlink but here is the thread: http://cocoontech.com/forums/topic/27616-3g4g-capable-replacement-for-hai-c3-communicator/ What I don't know if this will work with tmobile or not. Also, it is available on ebay for cheaper price... like 50 bucks.
Scottmichaelj Posted November 3, 2016 Posted November 3, 2016 So for anyone still looking to replace their C3 due to the AT&T GSM shutdown it looks as if you can go to TMobile for at least another couple years at least for 2G/GSM service. I haven't looked into the monthly cost vs new hardware costs. I plan to ride this out to the bitter end with AT&T. I suspect AT&T will not just turn it off Jan 1st but slowly shutdown areas. Then I will ask them to help cover costs for new hardware. Who knows AT&T may want to have you move so bad they give you a free wireless hotspot router with some data that you can also use when you loose a internet connection. Even if its a two year agreement maybe worth it. I know I am not going anywhere. Who knows they may waive it or give you a bill credit then I can get the hardware out of contract elsewhere. Anyone else figure out what your going to do? https://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2016/09/t-mobile-targets-iot-customers-stranded-t-2g-shutdown
MWareman Posted November 3, 2016 Posted November 3, 2016 So for anyone still looking to replace their C3 due to the AT&T GSM shutdown it looks as if you can go to TMobile for at least another couple years at least for 2G/GSM service. I haven't looked into the monthly cost vs new hardware costs. I plan to ride this out to the bitter end with AT&T. I suspect AT&T will not just turn it off Jan 1st but slowly shutdown areas. Then I will ask them to help cover costs for new hardware. Who knows AT&T may want to have you move so bad they give you a free wireless hotspot router with some data that you can also use when you loose a internet connection. Even if its a two year agreement maybe worth it. I know I am not going anywhere. Who knows they may waive it or give you a bill credit then I can get the hardware out of contract elsewhere. Anyone else figure out what your going to do? https://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2016/09/t-mobile-targets-iot-customers-stranded-t-2g-shutdown 2G / T-Mobile was shut down in my area three weeks ago... (Chicago western suburbs). Lots of customer service time confirmed such after my HAI C3 stopped being able to register. I had to switch to a different device. I got an AT&T Wireless Home Phone adapter at retail, and using a third party paid $20 to get it unlocked. Works like a champ on T-Mobile (and would work without unlocking on AT&T). Only downside, there is no POTS pass-thru.
Scottmichaelj Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 2G / T-Mobile was shut down in my area three weeks ago... (Chicago western suburbs). Lots of customer service time confirmed such after my HAI C3 stopped being able to register. I had to switch to a different device. I got an AT&T Wireless Home Phone adapter at retail, and using a third party paid $20 to get it unlocked. Works like a champ on T-Mobile (and would work without unlocking on AT&T). Only downside, there is no POTS pass-thru. Strange they are acting like they are keeping it active for the IoT devices. Mind telling me what device you ended up getting?
MWareman Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 Strange they are acting like they are keeping it active for the IoT devices. Mind telling me what device you ended up getting?Sure. One of these: https://www.att.com/cellphones/att/att-wireless-home-phone.html I got it unlocked to use my T-Mobile grandfathered account (averaged less than $2 per month over the last 10 years for me). It works well - I did a few tests with Watchlight and all passed... No apparent communication issues.
Scottmichaelj Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 Sure. One of these: https://www.att.com/cellphones/att/att-wireless-home-phone.html I got it unlocked to use my T-Mobile grandfathered account (averaged less than $2 per month over the last 10 years for me). It works well - I did a few tests with Watchlight and all passed... No apparent communication issues. I may copy you. I have ATT, and my C3 is a added line for 10 a month. They will probably give me the device for free so it won't cost me anything out of pocket to switch over. Even if they make me do a contract I don't mind since I am not going anywhere. Been a customer since 1995! Thanks for sharing.
MWareman Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 No problem! I'd still like to try to find an external device to do failover - but so far I've found the device very reliable.
Scottmichaelj Posted November 5, 2016 Posted November 5, 2016 No problem! I'd still like to try to find an external device to do failover - but so far I've found the device very reliable. So your thinking primary cell provider 1 and then backup cell provider 2? Right now I have internet as primary and cell as backup. I was hoping to find a dual purpose cellular router. Then have internet for both but the second internet was via cell and could be used as a backup for my internet at home giving me the best of both worlds.
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.