Echo goes mobile. Hundai now, Ford & BMW later

[stusviews]

Amazon Echo built into Hundai

[larryllix]

That is just so wrong opening your vehicle to any successful hacker on the Internet too.

 

It is bad enough when all these paranoia security freaks open up their door locks to cloud services.

 

Meanwhile, the auto manufactirers have been approached to isolate CPUs between car functions, and convenience functions, due to hackers being able to wash your windows and disable your brakes if you have ABS,, from any WiFi access point.

[Teken]

This great to see along with self driving vehicles soon to be released from the various car manufactures. I just can't wait for someone to die because the millennial babies thought it was a great idea.

 

Oooooooooooops, it already has . . .

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/13/tesla-autopilot-investigation-fatal-crash

 

The very fact large corporations with thousands of employees along with armies of lawyers still believe its a great idea to allow voice control of a moving object.

 

Clearly shows how incredibly stupid people are and continue to be in this era. 

[stusviews]

The cars are not self-driving at all. They offer additional safety as ABS does and like convenience of cruise control. One still needs to keep their both hands on the steering wheel, both eyes on the road--the road being the cars behind, the cars on the left, the cars on the right and as many cars in front as possible.

[G W]

And now one can use an Arduino to unlock a car door of any car with remote door locking.

 

Best regards,

Gary Funk

[larryllix]

In this case, using auto-pilot, the driver is supposed to be behind the steering wheel, with his/her hand(s) on it,

 

...but Telsa advertises a driverless, one-button-push, command that will park your one-upmanship-car in your garage, and then shut the garage door when parked.

 

See what 4.3 $billions of your tax dollars can do?

[Teken]

The cars are not self-driving at all. They offer additional safety as ABS does and like convenience of cruise control. One still needs to keep their both hands on the steering wheel, both eyes on the road--the road being the cars behind, the cars on the left, the cars on the right and as many cars in front as possible.

 

Yes, one is supposed to do so but in this case it was *Human* that failed to complete this task. Driving is a privilege and requires years of skill and complete awareness at all times. Currently there are several brands of vehicles which can parallel park, auto park, drive, etc.

 

If people want all of the above its call a freaking taxi, limo, uber . . .

 

This whole automated driving and remote control via voice is just a disaster waiting to happen. The fact there needs to be a body count for the stupid to realize this technology isn't needed or required is incredible. The reality is no matter how smart the vehicle is it can never compensate for the human element of stupid or the very fact the infrastructure is not present to ensure a measure of fail over.   

[kohai]

I often think the actual/eventual use case of technology is always slightly different than the inventors' ideas at the start.  There's a pivot at some point.

 

Self-driving cars around town is a dream that I'm not sure we'll get to.  However, Uber and Volvo are starting right now in Pittsburgh (with human's monitoring behind the wheel).  http://www.wsj.com/articles/uber-to-buy-self-driving-truck-startup-ottomotto-1471528978

 

I would think long haul trucking is the place to start with self driving vehicles.  For example, I-15 goes from San Diego to the Canadian border (right through Utah).  A truck with big enough gas tanks could just start and go (no need for a sleeping compartment... put more gas there).  Freeway driving has less complications than around-town driving.  Have a starting truck center and a destination truck center just next to the freeway.  Hey, maybe we could have them remotely monitored like military drones.  One guy at a desk somewhere could drive/monitor a dozen trucks up I-15 if they never really had to do anything other than follow their lane.

 

I realize I've really simplified it but we're almost to the point of someone trying this.

[larryllix]

In Canada we have semi-auto-piloted vehicles but we call them "trains".

 

[mwester]

I often think the actual/eventual use case of technology is always slightly different than the inventors' ideas at the start.  There's a pivot at some point.

 

Self-driving cars around town is a dream that I'm not sure we'll get to.  However, Uber and Volvo are starting right now in Pittsburgh (with human's monitoring behind the wheel).  http://www.wsj.com/articles/uber-to-buy-self-driving-truck-startup-ottomotto-1471528978

 

I would think long haul trucking is the place to start with self driving vehicles.  For example, I-15 goes from San Diego to the Canadian border (right through Utah).  A truck with big enough gas tanks could just start and go (no need for a sleeping compartment... put more gas there).  Freeway driving has less complications than around-town driving.  Have a starting truck center and a destination truck center just next to the freeway.  Hey, maybe we could have them remotely monitored like military drones.  One guy at a desk somewhere could drive/monitor a dozen trucks up I-15 if they never really had to do anything other than follow their lane.

 

I realize I've really simplified it but we're almost to the point of someone trying this.

 

We do this all the time here along the upper Mississippi.  I see strings of truck trailers, back-to-back, racing upwards of 70 MPH in both directions between Minneapolis and points south.  The only difference between these and your scenario is that the one guy at the desk is sitting in a locomotive at the front of the moving string of vehicles... 

 

Now, to be serious about it -- doesn't it seem easier to just implement some variation on a train-like system, where one operator takes care of 10s or 100s of vehicles that travel the same route?  I'd feel better about mechanically-coupled vehicles with a trained operator than I would about 100 independent vehicles, all with different software, with untrained operators who are distracted at the least and abusing the machine at worst.

[dbuss]

I often think the actual/eventual use case of technology is always slightly different than the inventors' ideas at the start.  There's a pivot at some point.

 

Self-driving cars around town is a dream that I'm not sure we'll get to.  However, Uber and Volvo are starting right now in Pittsburgh (with human's monitoring behind the wheel).  http://www.wsj.com/articles/uber-to-buy-self-driving-truck-startup-ottomotto-1471528978

 

I would think long haul trucking is the place to start with self driving vehicles.  For example, I-15 goes from San Diego to the Canadian border (right through Utah).  A truck with big enough gas tanks could just start and go (no need for a sleeping compartment... put more gas there).  Freeway driving has less complications than around-town driving.  Have a starting truck center and a destination truck center just next to the freeway.  Hey, maybe we could have them remotely monitored like military drones.  One guy at a desk somewhere could drive/monitor a dozen trucks up I-15 if they never really had to do anything other than follow their lane.

 

I realize I've really simplified it but we're almost to the point of someone trying this.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/otto-self-driving-truck-uber-purchased

[kohai]

http://www.businessinsider.com/otto-self-driving-truck-uber-purchased

 

 

Ding ding!  I agree with the train comments but shipping by train is slow due to logistics.  The other day my father-in-law was talking about the car dealership he worked at until he retired last year (Volkswagen).  They can order parts at the end of the day and have them from California to Utah the next morning.  Every day someone drives from CA and stops at the handful of VW dealers to drop off parts.  They (I assume VW) had their own driver because it was cheaper than overnighting all of those parts via UPS/Fed-ex.  Every day someone made that drive (it's a 12 hour drive one way) to bring parts.

[larryllix]

I guess parts warehousers need to hire all their staff that have to commute a long way.

 

Cheap delivery by employees getting mileage to go to work!

[Teken]

Each and everyone of us are here because of the love of technology and what it brings to our lives. Most of us embrace it with open arms because it provides features, options, capabilities never seen before in the past. I am not opposed to any of these technologies on the surface but the reality is in its current iteration there is not enough safety in place to protect the stupid.

 

Sadly, its not so much the stupid that needs to be protected but the millions of innocent bystanders minding their own business.

 

Today there are thousands of traffic stops, tickets, citations, given out to distracted drivers texting on their phone, listening to their booming music, to imbeciles actually watching a movie while driving.

 

To think so called smart people think adding in another element of auto driving and voice control is the next best thing since sliced bread is quite shocking.

 

All of these technologies like parallel parking was created for the inept and stupid who clearly can not drive and should never be allowed on the road ways. A vehicle that measures distance and takes control of the breaks and the steering wheel?

 

Again, this is for the stupid who forget driving is a privilege which requires 100% of your faculty and attention span. Not 10%, 20%, 50%, one hundred percent! When topics like this come up its analogous of people saying guns killed people.

 

No, stupid . . .

 

People with guns kill people . . .

 

Then there are people who have no self control or common sense and decide to get behind a wheel instead of calling a taxi and decide to drive. Nobody has to guess how many people die a year due to drunk drivers because of the human element. People actually believe just because some computer is in place the roads will be safer?!?

 

No . . .

 

Because as I illustrated this stupid fool who is supposed to be touching, holding, the steering wheel is supposed to be focused at driving. But instead was probably dicking around when he ended up as a smear on the ground! I can only imagine how many freaks there will be on the roads picking their nose, applying make up, or texting, while they believe the smart car is supposed to be driving on their behalf.

 

As many have said before I - let the natural course of order take place . . .

 

The Tesla driver was natures way of taking its course. 

[G W]

Did everyone actually READ the article?

 

Best regards,

Gary Funk

[MWareman]

Did everyone actually READ the article?

 

Best regards,

Gary Funk

I did. I stopped when they said it was only coming in some versions of the Genesis.

[G W]

I did. I stopped when they said it was only coming in some versions of the Genesis.

From some long comments here, I think some did not read the whole article.

 

Best regards,

Gary Funk

[Teken]

Can't speak for others but I read the article. People believe using the Amazon Echo without any possible way to authenticate a persons voice to open doors, windows, start the car, turn on the AC, what ever novel idea they deem great won't have consequences?

 

There are people on this forum already and others who have enabled door lock control in their homes via Tap, Echo, Dot.

 

Some of the replies from those who have stated *Not a problem, low risk, can't be heard from outside*?

 

Really?!?

 

It's been well known the rarest element in the multiverse has been common sense.

 

Forest Gump: Stupid is - Is stupid does . . .

 

 

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The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

Edited August 20, 2016 by Teken

[paulbates]

The topic is fascinating...... in a "let others try it first" kind of way 

[G W]

Some people have suggested that the Echo will be able to control the car. Silly people.

 

Best regards,

Gary Funk

[TheFallenAngel]

This great to see along with self driving vehicles soon to be released from the various car manufactures. I just can't wait for someone to die because the millennial babies thought it was a great idea.

 

Oooooooooooops, it already has . . .

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/13/tesla-autopilot-investigation-fatal-crash

 

The very fact large corporations with thousands of employees along with armies of lawyers still believe its a great idea to allow voice control of a moving object.

 

Clearly shows how incredibly stupid people are and continue to be in this era.

You "just can't wait someone to die".. Nice going Taken..

 

There thousands of people using autopilot in their cars and it's OFFENSIVE and Ignorant to call them STUPID! There are million more car cases related to bad drivers, NOT to the technology.

 

All this being said - WE need to appreciate that every "revolution" in technology has to start somewhere, at some point, and I for one would call this early adopters PIONEERS, NOT STUPID!

 

That is just so wrong opening your vehicle to any successful hacker on the Internet too.

 

It is bad enough when all these paranoia security freaks open up their door locks to cloud services.

 

Meanwhile, the auto manufactirers have been approached to isolate CPUs between car functions, and convenience functions, due to hackers being able to wash your windows and disable your brakes if you have ABS,, from any WiFi access point.

 

Cheers,

Alex

[TheFallenAngel]

And now one can use an Arduino to unlock a car door of any car with remote door locking.

 

Best regards,

Gary Funk

Or just break the window.. Either way car thieves have currently more accessible to them ways to break in one's car to try to hack into the encrypted communication between an echo device and a car. It is not impossible but not easy at all, especially for common car thieves for whom ROI won't be worth it!

 

 

Cheers,

Alex

[Teken]

Some people have suggested that the Echo will be able to control the car. Silly people.

 

Best regards,

Gary Funk

 

Not sure how you define control as anything that has command and control of the PCM does. Any vehicle that drives by wire and can take over its basic functions is control.

 

How do you suppose all the cars that have parallel park, hazard avoidance operate?

 

You believe just because some nerd restricted the Echo to merely open the door that its extensions can't be hacked? These companies have literally shown the public if a vehicle is so equipped it can be interfaced with voice control. Everything starts small from unlocking the door, rolling down the window, starting the car, turning on the lights, setting the HVAC, etc.

 

All of this can now be done via On Star while monitoring air bag deployment and GPS coordinates to render assistance when needed in a impact.

 

There are several verified hacks where the devs showed how they took control of the brakes and adjusted the environmental's. To think people believe this function will strictly be limited to control just the items I listed?!?! Every company has an intent but we all know enterprising scum bags have taken advantage of holes in the system.

 

Once again lets be crystal clear if a vehicle is completely automated at some point and integration like the echo are allowed to use voice control in its present form it will be easily be abused and circumvented. Everyday some of the smartest people think they have secured the nations computer systems against hackers.

 

Yet each and everyday Government sponsored and independent contractors have proven them wrong.

 

As I stated in many threads not very many hackers saw value in hacking into a Apple computer back in the day. Given it had less than 2% of the world wide market why waste your time for something that has zero relevance. Now in 2016 how many viruses, trojans, malware, etc have been deployed for Linux, Unix?!?!

 

Why???

 

Because that miserable 2% from 1980 has grown to be more than 45% of the computer systems in use in all forms of platforms from tablets, phones, bank machines, etc.

 

If people can't follow the final outcome as to what will be - its too late already. 

[Teken]

You "just can't wait someone to die".. Nice going Taken..

 

There thousands of people using autopilot in their cars and it's OFFENSIVE and Ignorant to call them STUPID! There are million more car cases related to bad drivers, NOT to the technology.

 

All this being said - WE need to appreciate that every "revolution" in technology has to start somewhere, at some point, and I for one would call this early adopters PIONEERS, NOT STUPID!

 

 

 

Cheers,

Alex

 

Once again you just highlighted my point - the complete and total reliance on technology. Are you a driver or passenger answer the question?

 

Did the Tesla driver ignore what he should be doing which is driving!

 

Did he and many other fools leave their entire lives on the table because they were too foolish in the belief this technology is fool proof, idiot proof, and safe in all environments? When auto pilot is first invoked a long aszz page tells the stupid what its intent is and what not to do.

 

If this specific user had 100% attention on the only task at hand which was driving would he have died that same day?

 

No . . .

 

End of story . . .

 

Ultimately *Pioneers* like Elon Musk are / is beside themselves because he wanted to bring to market something that could make life safer. Yet with any so called technology advancement or pioneering topic it has been abused to the nth degree. Because there are a large percentage of clueless people who truly believe physics & common sense don't apply to them.

Edited August 20, 2016 by Teken

[TheFallenAngel]

To all Profits of DOOM here.. Echo is not SkyNet There ZERO issue with opening you car doors or starting it remotely! I lived in a very cold place for year and a half called Saskatchewan.. In the winter the only way to get in your car and drive is to use remote starter. This are THOUSAND times easier to hack, yet that has never been serious problem in the global sense.. The necessity and convenience GREATLY outweigh the tiny potential risk that anyone would use this to steel your car! Again car thieves have much easier ways to that then to hack tech.

 

I see No Problem what so ever to be able to lift my hand and speak to my CoWatch "Alexa open my car" as I approach it..

 

And as for my door lock, even tho Taken feels that is OK to call people stupid left and right, Alex do lock my door! This ONLY enhances my security PERIOD! my "GO to Bed" program i trigger by Alexa when go to bed ensures lights are off, doors are locked, things are secured. I haven't enabled Alexa to unlock my door yet only because I haven't felt the need to.. But even that can be done secure if you do it smart and be creative with the commands.

 

All wireless HA protocols like Z-Wave, EcoBee, etc. are hackable - if someone wants to do it they don't need Echo. And AGAIN - MOST home burglars are not that tech savvy nor bother to invest in such high tech hacking to get into your house. The high tech hackers will go for big targets, not my condo.

 

I think it is way more possible for you to forget to lock your door (car or house) then to encounter high-tech hacker to try snuffing and hacking your Echo communication. In which case - you still have your alarm system to protect you (in case you forgot to lock your door or high-tech hacker unlocked it)..

 

Cheers,

Alex