djakins Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 I have several 6-button keypads - some for fans some for normal lights where I want access to scenes. Anyway, the default behavior seems to be that one the main light is on ON, the ON button is lighted up and the OFF button is dim. I would actually like to reverse that so the lighted button is the target for the next desired key press. SO when the light is off, say at night...the ON button is lighted up and easy to find to turn on the light. Is that possible? Thanks! Daniel
Teken Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 This would require some planning for fringe cases with programs to accomplish this end goal.
djakins Posted October 2, 2016 Author Posted October 2, 2016 Thanks Teken! Yea, if it is harder than some setting or simpistic program I don't want to bother - not likely worth the hassel... unless someone else has already figured it out..
Teken Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Based on your reply a simple program to change the dim level to the On vs Off is just required. You do realize this may not be as intuitive to the lay person right? If you're the only person in the home that's not much of an issue but if there are others this may confuse people. Home Automation should always strive to be as natural as possible while doing as many things in a automated way that is seamless to the end user(s). Nothing is worse to see KPL's using odd characters, icons, or programming that makes no sense. Keeping in mind native scenes should always be used as the primary method to connect to the Insteon network. There are obvious use cases and needs that require programs to accomplish end goals but they should be extensions to the basic ability of the network. Doing so ensures long term satisfaction and expected behavior when a controller is off line or if there is a hardware failure. Edited October 2, 2016 by Teken
G W Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Ummm, he said "long term satisfaction." Short and to the point. Best regards, Gary Funk
Teken Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Ummm, he said "long term satisfaction." Short and to the point. Best regards, Gary Funk LOL . . .
djakins Posted October 2, 2016 Author Posted October 2, 2016 Thanks again Teken... Actually I agree with your point about keeping it intuitive for my wife. The dimmers that were installed all lit up at the top of the paddle switch like a night light when they were turned off...was trying to mimick that experience.
G W Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Ah, the dimmers have a LED matrix that shows the on level from bottom to top. The matrix was placed at the top half of the switch which gives that false illusion. Short and to the point. Best regards, Gary Funk
Teken Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Thanks again Teken... Actually I agree with your point about keeping it intuitive for my wife. The dimmers that were installed all lit up at the top of the paddle switch like a night light when they were turned off...was trying to mimick that experience. Just so I am clear you wish to make what ever button that is pressed to be (ON) to be at a specific brightness? If so you can easily create programs that will over ride the base levels and even have them invoked based on time periods. The area I was trying to address is if you were trying to make something do the opposite this would lead to confusion in some fringe cases. So long as the home is uniformly set up across the home things will be fine . . . Its when a person does a few random *Here & There* approaches this can over the long term cause mayhem. As an aside there are always going to be fringe use cases in life such as limited budget. Where I've seen a person who couldn't afford a KPL to control the Fan Lincs. So they used the native functions of On, Fast On, and various double, triple tabs from programs to invoke the different speed settings etc. This is a great work around but is the perfect example of not being intuitive or expected to the lay person.
G W Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 No, he wants the button that is on to be dim and the button that is off to be bright. To change to light on or off you press the button that is the brightest. Short and to the point. Best regards, Gary Funk
Teken Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Correct, and program(s) can meet those goals but doesn't seem odd? Perhaps I am too accustomed to seeing the KPL buttons lit the standard way? I dunno suppose this really comes down to preference . . .
G W Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Correct, and program(s) can meet those goals but doesn't seem odd? Perhaps I am too accustomed to seeing the KPL buttons lit the standard way? I dunno suppose this really comes down to preference . . . Yes, it's odd. Light on means on. His wife has interpreted the LEDs on dimmer switches incorrectly. Short and to the point. Best regards, Gary Funk
djakins Posted October 3, 2016 Author Posted October 3, 2016 ...like I said earlier Yes, it's odd. Light on means on. His wife has interpreted the LEDs on dimmer switches incorrectly.Short and to the point.Best regards,Gary Funk yes she has ... because of the old style paddle dimmers that have been there since we moved in... they have the night light built into the back of the paddle switch. When the light is turned off, the paddle is lit up at the top to be easy to find in dark - to turn the light on. No worries...she will get used to it.
stusviews Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 You can adjust the LED brightness on KeypadLincs so that the On button is illuminated enough to see in the dark.
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