How to turn off lights with elk f4 button in isy?

[Blackbird]

I figured out how to export my lighting data from isy to elk and was wondering if you can do this with programs also?  What id like to do is push the f4 button on the elk keypad and run my program to turn off my lights. 

Thanks

[TrojanHorse]

Do you want to have the ELK or ISY control the lights? I can't speak to direct Elk control.

 

Conceptually, one way to have the ISY control it is to have a "phantom output" in the ELK that is toggled on/off by pressing the F4 button on the keypad. Use ElkRP to write a rule in the automation folder and choose an output like #200 (the higher numbers are the phantom outputs).

 

Then write a program in ISY:

 

If Elk output 200 is = 1

Then turn off scene

 

If I recall you can also toggle the illumination of the F4 key.

 

I'm not in front of my computer right now so can't give precise detail but hoping this helps send you in the right direction.

 

 

 

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[MWareman]

Or bypass doing anything on ELK - and do it all with an ISY program:

New Program - [ID 028A][Parent 0244]

If
        Elk Keypad 'Hall' 'F4' is Pressed
 
Then
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

[Blackbird]

Or bypass doing anything on ELK - and do it all with an ISY program:

 

New Program - [ID 028A][Parent 0244]

If
        Elk Keypad 'Hall' 'F4' is Pressed
 
Then
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

Amongst all of you elk/isy users, is the preferred method for most programs to be done on the isy vs elk?

[MWareman]

Personally, if I can do it natively on ISY I do.

 

Some things I cannot, so I use the 'phantom' output detailed above for Elk logic to trigger an ISY program. I only have one of those... an odd/even date function that Elk natively supports, but ISY pre-v5 does not.

[apostolakisl]

I have an f4 key set to do something like that.

 

In elk, i have a rule that when you activate f4, it toggles output 110 (you can pick any of the high number outputs that don't actually connect to anything and use it as a flag).  In the keyapd setup screen, I have f4 illumination set to the status of output 110.  So f4 is lit when output 110 is on and f4 key serves to toggle 110 on and off.

 

Then in ISY, I have the state of output 110 trigger programs as needed.

 

You could have an elk rule set to directly control insteon devices, but I prefer to use ISY for that.

[giesen]

My preference is to do anything lighting/irrigation/general home automation on the ISY.

 

Anything security/life safety/property safety related should be done on the Elk, IMHO

 

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[madcodger]

My preference is to do anything lighting/irrigation/general home automation on the ISY.

 

Anything security/life safety/property safety related should be done on the Elk, IMHO

 

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I have for years tried to design things in a manner similar to how humans are designed:

 

Thinking / reasoning / communication = brain (lights, entertainment, logic)

 

Breathing / heart / body temp = brain stem (security / HVAC)

 

Gives me far fewer worries when away from home. Granted, though, I developed this approach when I used Homeseer because PCs have a tendency to flake out and crash every so often and I fell out of love with later versions of that software (still use, but for only one thing and hoping to replace that with a RPi). The ISY has actually been almost as reliable as the Elk, so in a whole different (and better) class than a PC. Except for PLM, in fact, it's about as bulletproof as the Elk (and my PLM has actually been surprisingly solid, knock on wood, for about five years now!).