Set me up for sucsess

[tkearns]

I am a long time ISY 994i/ ir Pro user and home automation junky. My DSC security system, that I have had longer than my ISY, had the internet interface crap out. Well It seems to be time to update my security system. I am very much interested in the ELK interface options, I have an extensive ISY/Insteon system.  I am using relay outputs and the EZIO 8SA inputs to currently interface (very basic)

WHAT HARDWARE and SOFTWARE DO I NEED /RECOMMEND for me to get started getting the most out of the ELK/ ISY interoperabilty functions? (Leaving out all the existing hardwired closed loop hardware-as it is compatible.) Whats the 2017 latest and greatest to get...

 

Tim 

[paulbates]

Hi Tim

This thread started by Gary Funk would be worth a review. He basically asked the same question

 

http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/19120-i-want-to-buy-an-elk-system/

 

Paul

[Scottmichaelj]

Feel free to PM me if you need more help. I am an authorized Elk reseller and happy to help anyway I can.

[G W]

I can highly recommend Scott.

 

Gary Funk

Merry Christmas

[apostolakisl]

You might have issues with converting to Elk if they used EOL resistors.  DSC uses a different ohm resistor. The issue will be that the resistors are hidden in door or window frames or other locations you can't easily get to.

[Scottmichaelj]

You might have issues with converting to Elk if they used EOL resistors. DSC uses a different ohm resistor. The issue will be that the resistors are hidden in door or window frames or other locations you can't easily get to.

Wait what? Why? I haven't seen that before but I guess its possible. Most of the time EOL resistors are on the board itself. Maybe I'm too young to have seen that before?

[G W]

Wait what? Why? I haven't seen that before but I guess its possible. Most of the time EOL resistors are on the board itself. Maybe I'm too young to have seen that before?

Never, never, NEVER place the EOL resister on the board. That defeats the purpose of the "End Of Line" resistance. Doing so will never tell you the supervised line is cut.

 

I'm Gary Funk and I wrote this message.

[apostolakisl]

Never, never, NEVER place the EOL resister on the board. That defeats the purpose of the "End Of Line" resistance. Doing so will never tell you the supervised line is cut.

 

I'm Gary Funk and I wrote this message.

I think he was making a mockery of people who do that.  At least that's what I read into from the emoticon.

[G W]

I think he was making a mockery of people who do that. At least that's what I read into from the emoticon.

Yes, but there are those that will certainly do it wrong.

 

I'm Gary Funk and I wrote this message.

[tkearns]

Thank you gentlemen!  I will say if I do have an Issue with an EOL alarm loop circuit, then I am in the wrong job!  I will say however that you are both right, Depending on the wiring classification of the alarm loop. My Fire alarm loops are 4 wire circuits, where the EOL is in the "cabinet" at the end of the loop for proper "fault tolerant" supervision. (a single open will show trouble and all devices can still alarm) The Burgs and sensor loops are two wire and the EOL has to be at the last device for proper supervision. (a single open will show trouble and all devices may not be able to alarm)

[apostolakisl]

Thank you gentlemen!  I will say if I do have an Issue with an EOL alarm loop circuit, then I am in the wrong job!  I will say however that you are both right, Depending on the wiring classification of the alarm loop. My Fire alarm loops are 4 wire circuits, where the EOL is in the "cabinet" at the end of the loop for proper "fault tolerant" supervision. (a single open will show trouble and all devices can still alarm) The Burgs and sensor loops are two wire and the EOL has to be at the last device for proper supervision. (a single open will show trouble and all devices may not be able to alarm)

Your smoke circuit should have both an eol relay and eol resistor. . .at the end of the line.  This is the only way to confirm the integrity of all 4 wires in a standard 4 wire smoke detector setup.  Otherwise shorts and broken wires can still read as normal to the panel.  The good news on smokes is that they are easily installed/removed after the fact since they would be installed either directly on the last smoke detector or in a gang box that it is mounted to.