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A keypad switch that reports the wrong Insteon ID

arw01

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Always had trouble with devices at the end of the leg that runs the front door lamp.

I've replaced a few devices in there over the years and currently this end of leg has in it:

 

Dual Band Lamp-Outlet-Linc

Dual band switch linc

dual band 8 button keypad

There is on occasion another appliance link dual band on the outlet as well.

Currently I have 2 filters up stream in a bedroom blocking the signal suckers.

 

And an ELK X10 reception strength meter plugged into this end of line outlet linc.

The Elk reports full strength 5v when the PLM querries or turns it on or off.

Just did a query off the admin console and noticed that some part of it reparts with the wrong initial pair or digits for its insteon id.

 

Note the 14 below:

Mon 09/04/2017 05:00:42 PM : [  14 1A 66 1]      DON   1
Mon 09/04/2017 05:00:42 PM : [  14 1A 66 1]       ST 255
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1  5] 679000.000000  Weather - Temperature Average = 67.9 F
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1  6] 310000.000000  Weather - Humidity = 31 %
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1  8] 299800.000000  Weather - Pressure = 29.98 inHg
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1 10] 480000.000000  Weather - Dew Point = 48 F
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1 11] 70000.000000  Weather - Wind Speed = 7 mph
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1 15] 110000.000000  Weather - Gust Speed = 11 mph
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1 18] 410000.000000  Weather - Light = 41 %
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1 30] 720000.000000  Weather - Average Temperature  = 72 F
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1 31] 860000.000000  Weather - High Temperature Tom = 86 F
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1 33] 400000.000000  Weather - Humidity Tomorrow = 40 %
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1 35] 160000.000000  Weather - Gust Speed Tomorrow = 16 mph
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1 41] 10000.000000  Weather - Cloud Condition Tomo = 1
Mon 09/04/2017 05:01:54 PM : [MOD  2  2  1 44] 570000.000000  Weather - Forecast Low Tempera = 57 F
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:03 PM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 41 B8 4C 0F 19 00
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:03 PM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 41.B8.4C 0F 19 00 06          LTSREQ (LIGHT)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:03 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 14.B8.4C 19.72.DE 2B 06 00           (00)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:03 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 14.B8.4C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2   ****************
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:03 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:12 PM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 41 B8 4C 0F 19 00
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:12 PM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 41.B8.4C 0F 19 00 06          LTSREQ (LIGHT)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:13 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 14.B8.4C 19.72.DE 2B 06 00           (00)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:13 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 14.B8.4C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:13 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:13 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 41.B8.4C 19.72.DE 23 06 00           (00)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:13 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 41.B8.4C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=0  ***************
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:13 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [41 B8 4C 1] [ST] [0] uom=0 prec=-1
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:13 PM : [  41 B8 4C 1]       ST   0
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:13 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [41 B8 4C 1] [OL] [255] uom=0 prec=-1
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:13 PM : [  41 B8 4C 1]       OL 255
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:13 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [41 B8 4C 1] [RR] [28] uom=0 prec=-1
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:13 PM : [  41 B8 4C 1]       RR  28
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:23 PM : [All         ] Writing 1 bytes to devices
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:23 PM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 41 B8 4C 0F 0D 00
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:23 PM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 41.B8.4C 0F 0D 00 06                 (00)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:24 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 20.B8.4C 19.72.DE 2B 0D 02           (02)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:24 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 20.B8.4C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2   **************
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:24 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:33 PM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 41 B8 4C 0F 0D 00
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:33 PM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 41.B8.4C 0F 0D 00 06                 (00)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:34 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 20.B8.4C 19.72.DE 2B 0D 02           (02)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:34 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 20.B8.4C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2    ****************
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:34 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:43 PM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 41 B8 4C 0F 0D 00
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:43 PM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 41.B8.4C 0F 0D 00 06                 (00)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:43 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 20.B8.4C 19.72.DE 2B 0D 02           (02)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:43 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 20.B8.4C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2  ****************
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:43 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:54 PM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 41 B8 4C 0F 19 00
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:54 PM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 41.B8.4C 0F 19 00 06          LTSREQ (LIGHT)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:54 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 14.B8.4C 19.72.DE 2B 06 00           (00)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:54 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 14.B8.4C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2  ****************
Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:54 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.
Mon 09/04/2017 05:03:03 PM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 41 B8 4C 0F 19 00
Mon 09/04/2017 05:03:03 PM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 41.B8.4C 0F 19 00 06          LTSREQ (LIGHT)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:03:03 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 14.B8.4C 19.72.DE 2B 06 00           (00)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:03:03 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 14.B8.4C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2  ****************
Mon 09/04/2017 05:03:03 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.
Mon 09/04/2017 05:03:12 PM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 41 B8 4C 0F 19 00
Mon 09/04/2017 05:03:12 PM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 41.B8.4C 0F 19 00 06          LTSREQ (LIGHT)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:03:13 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 14.B8.4C 19.72.DE 2B 06 00           (00)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:03:13 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 14.B8.4C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2
Mon 09/04/2017 05:03:13 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.
Mon 09/04/2017 05:03:17 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [41 B8 4C 1] [ERR] [1] uom=0 prec=-1
Mon 09/04/2017 05:03:17 PM : [  41 B8 4C 1]      ERR   1
Mon 09/04/2017 05:05:53 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 14.1A.66 00.00.01 CB 13 01    LTOFFRR(01)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:05:53 PM : [Std-Group   ] 14.1A.66-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2
Mon 09/04/2017 05:05:53 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [14 1A 66 1] [DOF] [1] uom=0 prec=-1
Mon 09/04/2017 05:05:53 PM : [  14 1A 66 1]      DOF   1
Mon 09/04/2017 05:05:53 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [14 1A 66 1] [ST] [0] uom=0 prec=-1
Mon 09/04/2017 05:05:53 PM : [  14 1A 66 1]       ST   0
Mon 09/04/2017 05:05:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 0014] STS [14 1A 66 1] ST op=1 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) --> false
Mon 09/04/2017 05:05:53 PM : [D2D-CMP 0008] STS [14 1A 66 1] ST op=1 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true
Mon 09/04/2017 05:05:54 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 14.1A.66 00.00.01 CB 13 01    LTOFFRR(01)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:05:54 PM : [Std-Group   ] 14.1A.66-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2
Mon 09/04/2017 05:05:54 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.
Mon 09/04/2017 05:08:21 PM : [        Time] 17:08:22 36(0)
Mon 09/04/2017 05:08:21 PM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 00 00 29 CF 13 00
Mon 09/04/2017 05:08:21 PM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 00.00.29 CF 13 00 06          LTOFFRR(00)
arw01 Advanced

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What's not correct about the 14?

It is really 41 and then you see a 20 pop up..

 

 

Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:03 PM : [INST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 41 B8 4C 0F 19 00

Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:03 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 41.B8.4C 0F 19 00 06 LTSREQ (LIGHT)

Mon 09/04/2017 05:02:03 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 14.B8.4C 19.72.DE 2B 06 00 (00)

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First device shows 14 1A 66. The device you referred to in post # 3 is entirely different.

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Possibilities:

 

- Failing device is sending incorrect messages

- Failing PLM is incorrectly sending messages to ISY

- Noise on the power-line is causing the message to be corrupted

 

The second in the list is pretty easy to figure out:  If the PLM is about 2 years old, or older, throw it out and get a new one.  If it's 18 months or less, then examine the list to see which devices are affected.  If the incorrect addresses pop up randomly over all devices, then the PLM is suspect.

 

Noise is tough to sort out.  You'll need to find whatever it is that troubles that circuit.  Remove everything (I mean everything - the smallest phone charger, every LED bulb regardless of working status or not, etc).  Test repeatedly until the problem goes away.  Note that signal strength is not sufficient -- heck I was at a wedding reception a week or two ago, and I've got quite a loud voice but even I couldn't make myself understood to my partner at the table.  Shouting is not sufficient when the noise is loud enough!   Filterlincs, better/different devices/appliances, whatever.

 

If that doesn't work, then pull the device, put it on a test bench and see what it does.  It'll probably work - they all do for me.  Put a new device in, see if it behaves better.  If so, toss the old one, and chalk it up to the aging Insteon protocol combined with aging Insteon devices, and contemplate Z-Wave  in your future.

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