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Z-wave using "smart things" or other ZW hub, via Nodelink etc...


telljcl

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So I've finally got a Z-Wave lock working (after placing no less than 4 other z-wave devices between ISY and lock...), and I am remembering why I went Insteon (even with it's issues) 12 years ago and have stuck with it since...

Curious if there is a way to utilize another device for ZW (like Smarthings or other more main-stream controller) with the ISY,  bypassing the native implementation of Z-Wave?

I realize that even if possible, I would likely be trading one set of issues for another, but I'm curious if it is even doable.

I already use Nodelink to bring Venstar thermostats and my RainMachine irrigation controller into ISY and it works reliably.

 

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13 hours ago, telljcl said:

Curious if there is a way to utilize another device for ZW (like Smarthings or other more main-stream controller) with the ISY,  bypassing the native implementation of Z-Wave?

Yes this is possible.  However I question the benefits especially if considering something like SmartThings as they too are a single controller system.  A feature of Z-Wave is the ability to use multiple controllers and to include other controllers as secondary controllers.  There are downsides to this as most of the systems support this for "migration" purposes and not for multi-controller environments unless it's their own controllers then they have methods to synchronize and communicate.  

So the question.

  • What are the issues you're having with Z-Wave?
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On 2/7/2019 at 10:04 PM, simplextech said:

Yes this is possible.  However I question the benefits especially if considering something like SmartThings as they too are a single controller system.  A feature of Z-Wave is the ability to use multiple controllers and to include other controllers as secondary controllers.  There are downsides to this as most of the systems support this for "migration" purposes and not for multi-controller environments unless it's their own controllers then they have methods to synchronize and communicate.  

So the question.

  • What are the issues you're having with Z-Wave?

At this point I feel like it is working fairly reliably, with range the only issue. This however I think I've managed with additional repeaters.

So while it has been frustrating, the lock does seem to do what I need it to do at this point.

I wouldn't add any more z-wave to my system though, unless (like the lock) there was no other choice. At least at this point though I've got all these repeaters around so hopefully I wouldn't need more (or too many more) if I had to add another z-wave device in another part of our house.

I'm not the world's greatest fan of Insteon either (yet I have a house full of the stuff), but compared to the experience I've had with z-wave, Insteon seems like a significantly better solution if there is a choice. As annoyed as I get with it, I guess I'm still glad I went that route 12 years ago.

Great to have a choice - props to team ISY for this.

So out of curiosity, what is the other Z-Wave controller you mention that can be integrated with the ISY ?

 

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7 minutes ago, telljcl said:

So out of curiosity, what is the other Z-Wave controller you mention that can be integrated with the ISY ?

 

At the moment the ISY does not have direct support for additional controller management.  There are other platforms that have support for this to manage very large z-wave deployments/buildings.

I'm hoping this is a future feature UDI is investigating if they are serious about z-wave as I view this as a critical piece to be able to cover a large home/building and get past the 4 hop limitation of z-wave.

There's also the idea of using nodeservers as as way to integrate other controllers.  This is intriguing as it opens the possibilities to numerous other controllers as options.  

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12 minutes ago, simplextech said:

At the moment the ISY does not have direct support for additional controller management.  There are other platforms that have support for this to manage very large z-wave deployments/buildings.

I'm hoping this is a future feature UDI is investigating if they are serious about z-wave as I view this as a critical piece to be able to cover a large home/building and get past the 4 hop limitation of z-wave.

There's also the idea of using nodeservers as as way to integrate other controllers.  This is intriguing as it opens the possibilities to numerous other controllers as options.  

OK - when you said "Yes this is possible" I was thinking you meant there was a way to do it now.

 

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1 minute ago, telljcl said:

OK - when you said "Yes this is possible" I was thinking you meant there was a way to do it now.

 

Possible is integrating ISY within another control system. 

Today that I'm aware of the following systems can access/utilize the ISY for control/status of Insteon devices:

  • HomeSeer
  • Allonis MyServer
  • CQC (Charmed Quark)
  • Home Assistant
  • OpenHAB2

Those systems sit a layer above the ISY to integrate various other systems into a single view for status, automation and control.

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