Doorbell cameras that integrate with ISY

[TomL]

I currently have 2 KUNA security camera/lights that are cloud based and proprietary.   I would like to find a doorbell camera that I can integrate the motion sensors with ISY, that is viewable through ip camera software such as owlr, ip cam viewer, blue iris, etc..  and that possibly could be used with Alexa Show or spot for viewing and interaction.   Does anyone have any suggestions as to what is available? I don't know that much about ring or some of the knock offs on Amazon, but don't see in descriptions that they can be picked up by 3rd party ip cam viewer software or if the ms would be usable for ISY

 

Thanks

Tom.

[simplextech]

Bias warning - DoorBird dealer

DoorBird is capable of being integrated with the ISY and other systems.  The DoorBird video feeds are also available via standard RTSP for use with 3rd party viewers such as Blue Iris.  As this is a local based system there is no cloud that by default interfaces with Alexa/Google.  To integrate with for example and Echo Show you can use a 3rd party service Monocle that can accept RTSP feeds from local cameras and then using their Alexa Skill you can access your camera feeds from an Echo Show.

Currently I'm not aware of a ISY nodeserver for DoorBird.  I have an interest in developing one but there has not been much community interest which leads to no funding towards the development effort.

[giomania]

Bias warning - DoorBird dealer
DoorBird is capable of being integrated with the ISY and other systems.  The DoorBird video feeds are also available via standard RTSP for use with 3rd party viewers such as Blue Iris.  As this is a local based system there is no cloud that by default interfaces with Alexa/Google.  To integrate with for example and Echo Show you can use a 3rd party service Monocle that can accept RTSP feeds from local cameras and then using their Alexa Skill you can access your camera feeds from an Echo Show.
Currently I'm not aware of a ISY nodeserver for DoorBird.  I have an interest in developing one but there has not been much community interest which leads to no funding towards the development effort.

Do they have any plans to introduce a 1080p model? It’s not very popular on IPCamTalk.com due to the 720p resolution and the cost. I suspect the market is not DIY, however. The other features you mentioned above are very nice!

Thanks for any insight.

Mark


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[simplextech]

4 minutes ago, giomania said:

 

Do they have any plans to introduce a 1080p model? It’s not very popular on IPCamTalk.com due to the 720p resolution and the cost. I suspect the market is not DIY, however. The other features you mentioned above are very nice!

Thanks for any insight.

Mark


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I've not heard anything about a 1080p model.  I can check.  IMHO I don't see a purpose for 1080p for a door camera that is generally viewed on a small screen anyways not on a 65" + size TV. 

[lilyoyo1]

6 hours ago, giomania said:

 

Do they have any plans to introduce a 1080p model? It’s not very popular on IPCamTalk.com due to the 720p resolution and the cost. I suspect the market is not DIY, however. The other features you mentioned above are very nice!

Thanks for any insight.

Mark


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I have one and mine shows on my TVs via my matrix system. No issues at all. I haven't felt let down at all by the image. Most times as already mentioned, I'm viewing something on a tiny screen so it doesn't matter

[TomL]

They do look nice, though I was hoping to find something a wee bit less expensive and possibly battery powered like the Ring II.  Our house is from the 40's and is brick with interior plaster walls, there is no doorbell power run and not so keen on trying to drill and fish the way things have gone with other small mods I have tried with this house.  

[simplextech]

Good Luck.

The cheaper units are locked to their eco-system.  Amazon now owns Ring and will not even respond to partner requests so the only integration possible are from hacks that people have done.  Nest is the same with Google controlling them.  

The generic "other" systems are hit or miss and you're on your own entirely with those.  If you find something that is of decent quality and has an open api or integration program let me know.

[MWareman]

FWIW - UDI has Ring integration in advanced development status in PolyGlotCloud.... I’ve been working with Benoit to add floodlight control to it over the last couple of weeks... (must get latest testing done!)

You don’t get better native integration than that....

[TomL]

@MWareman  thanks for the input.  I have never used poly, but looked at the PGC and may try it with the ring to see what happens.  Even though it says in develpment is any part of it currently usable?

[MWareman]

I’ve just got back from a few days away - and @Benoit emailed me to say some things were fixed. I have not had a chance to test (that’s tonight’s job!).

It’s certainly not breaking anything - but for me it wasn’t receiving the callbacks from Ring. So, no programs were firing. I’d probably advise waiting until it’s known to work before diving in - currently upgrading may mean removing, rebooting etc...

[TomL]

OK, Thanks.  I will keep an eye open for updates on progress.

[rlanza1054]

I'm actually looking for a way to get my Netvue VueBell to work with my old fashion mechanical doorbell (the version that goes ding dong). 

My mechanical doorbell is incorporated into my ISY System and my Talking Programmable Doorbell. 

So ring my doorbell using the mechanical button on the outside of the door triggers ofd the ding dong bell and also triggers the talking doorbell (which is meant as a replacement to the ding dong bell. And you can record your own door bell announcements). The pre-recorded announcements have a variety of stuff such as Christmas doorbell sounds. Joke doorbell sounds etc. I think I posted those sounds here a few years ago. 

All I'm looking for is for the Video Doorbell to trigger the mechanical doorbell I read that the Netvue Belle Doorbell comes with a Power/Bypass kit. I can't seem to find out wjere to purchase it without getting a whole new video doorbell. 

And for your info it is link via a skill with Amazom Echo/Alexa. On my Fire TV if I am watching that it can show a picture of who is at the door. If someone walks by but doesn't ring the bell I still get notified via motion sensor built-in. And I get it on my Echo Show unit. However, still have a problem at times getting the picture. I think because of poor wifi connection. I have a steel door. 

So I am notified via TV, Echo Show & Phone. 

But not the mechanical doorbell. That is separate now until I find a solution. 

Rob

[MWareman]

On 6/27/2019 at 8:25 AM, TomL said:

OK, Thanks.  I will keep an eye open for updates on progress.

Well - the latest I have is the issue I was having is solved - it appears to be working to the capability of the API...

ISY can easily drive programs based on dings or motion events. Additionally, you can turn Ring Flood or Spot lights on or off (but not tell their current state). I'm in the process of migrating some of my programs over (I currently use some motion sensors outside in some areas that I'm going to replace with Ring motion detect events) and so far I'm getting programs triggering a second or two faster than triggering from motion sensor events. Pretty slick!  

The only downside - the Ring API does not provide details of which motion zone the motion was detected in. So - to automate from events you are going to need to reduce the detection zones to limit the number of events generated. Otherwise - you'll be triggering events whenever a car passes on the street...

Might just be worth a try now!

[TomL]

Sounds good.  I currently have Kuna/Maximus LIght/Camear combos outside.  I am mostly interested in using the motion detector trigger outdoor lighting brightening, which Kuna can not and will not allow you to control.  I think I will give it a whirl, I found Amazon has reconditioned Ring for 90.00 so I can afford to try it for a test.  Thanks for all you help and input.

[TomL]

@MWareman  Did you have to do anything other then link the account to get it working, i.e.: custom parameters on poly cloud, configuration under "Node servers in AC".  I got a Doorbell 1, Installed it, Linked the account in poly cloud.  It works on the Ring App and through Alexa notification and viewing, but I get nothing when trying to program with ISY.   Trying to use Motion node, to turn on a light or send a notification, but no joy.  Is there a step I am Missing?

 

[dbuss]

1 hour ago, TomL said:

@MWareman  Did you have to do anything other then link the account to get it working, i.e.: custom parameters on poly cloud, configuration under "Node servers in AC".  I got a Doorbell 1, Installed it, Linked the account in poly cloud.  It works on the Ring App and through Alexa notification and viewing, but I get nothing when trying to program with ISY.   Trying to use Motion node, to turn on a light or send a notification, but no joy.  Is there a step I am Missing?

 

My adm console shows the same thing as yours. So, it seems like you have it set up properly. I have a notify program for my Ring doorbell and a Ring Stick-up cam and both work fine. I do use "control" in the "If" condition of the programs.

[MWareman]

After installing the nodeserver - you should get a blue notification in PolyGlot Cloud prompting you to authenticate to your ring account to provide access. It asks for 'Read' access - but this is all that's needed for the nodeserver to send commands.

The really important thing to know is: When authenticating to your Ring account - you *MUST* use your primary Ring account username and password. Secondary accounts (or devices shared to you from another account) will show as nodes - but will NOT receive events. This is a limitation of the Ring API I am told. The nodeserver does NOT see or store your Ring password. The integration uses a technology called 'oAuth 2' to authenticate - which keeps your Ring password safe.

After linking - your Ring nodes are pulled in:

The 'Front Door' device is the doorbell. It has two nodes - a 'Motion' node and a 'Ding' node. Flood and Spot lights show two nodes and the newer stick up cams show one (they have no light).

You can then create a program and use these two events to trigger it..

Here is one for the 'Ding' (bell-push):

and one for motion events:

For Ring light control (the flood and spot lights), I have a micro-module behind a conventional switch that is used to drive the outdoor lights at the rear of my house. I added controlling the Ring lights to this with the following two programs.

The first tracks the state of the switch - turning the Ring lights on if switched on, and off when switched off. It also updates a variable used to track what state I want the Ring lights in..

The second program triggers on the variable being set to 1 - and repeats as long as the variable is 1:

This is to override the ring behavior that turns the light off after a couple of minutes when I want the lights to stay on.. 

Michael.

 

 

[TomL]

@MWareman very nice set of programs.  I got things working, I uninstalled and reinstalled node server and now it works, I dunno...but it does.   I plan on getting some additional ring lights and motion sensors now that I got this working.  I may borrow from your programming above when I do.  Just wondering do you know if the battery operated light, like stair lights work wih this node server, I am guessing they would, but then again I am not the best guesser as of late.  Thanks Again for your help.

@dbuss thanks for confirming it was set up correctly, appreciate the help.

[MWareman]

I do not know about any devices outside of the devices I have. None are battery powered, not do I have any of the first gen stick-up cams.

I suspect they would be fine. If not, the nodeserver log will contain the details necessary for the events to be captured.

[arw01]

Wifey wants a ring doorcam, definitely be following this progress!

[jmacd]

@MWareman  Thank you for the instructions, I was able to get Polyglot linked to my ISY, and am now trying to setup motion and ding alerts for my doorbell cam.  I am stuck on the "Then" part of the program, where does the following come from?

Resource 'API - Send Image - CAM1 - Doorbell'

I would like to send an image when there is motion or somebody rings the doorbell, but cannot figure this part out.  Is it a network resource?  Any guidance would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance!

[MWareman]

9 minutes ago, jmacd said:

@MWareman  Thank you for the instructions, I was able to get Polyglot linked to my ISY, and am now trying to setup motion and ding alerts for my doorbell cam.  I am stuck on the "Then" part of the program, where does the following come from?

Resource 'API - Send Image - CAM1 - Doorbell'

I would like to send an image when there is motion or somebody rings the doorbell, but cannot figure this part out.  Is it a network resource?  Any guidance would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance!

Unfortunately, one of the limitations (of Ring) is that you cannot directly get an image from the camera. There is a functionality request formerly submitted to their team to add this functionality - but it's not there yet.

I have a separate Foscam that looks out the sidelight of my front door. This resource I reference is a network resource that calls a .php script on my internal server. This .php script obtains a snapshot from the Foscam camera and sends it as an attachment to my Pushover account.

[jmacd]

I see, thanks for the clarifying that!  I do have a redundant camera located near the doorbell itself, so I guess I'll configure that for the feed.  At least now I can turn on porch lights, etc. when the doorbell is pressed, thank you!