Can a scene be scheduled?

[CopyRon]

If I have a scene, say "turn outside lights on" on my keypad button 8, can I add just that scene to a schedule or do I still have to enter each separate light.

I have scheduled event with each light set to turn on at sunset and I have the KPL button set with the same lights in case I want to over ride the scheduled events.

The only way I have found to add KPL button and have it light or go off with the scheduled event is to add the button as a scene.

Is there a way to add KPL buttons to a scheduled event?

[sfhutchi]

My understanding is that you must add that button to a scene. That KPL button may be the only thing in the scene, but it will then turn 'on/off' when you call that scene.

[Mark Sanctuary]

Because there is no Insteon command for the KPL to toggle the LEDs directly you have to create a "LED follow scene" that can toggle them. Then in your program you can use that scene to turn on/off the LED.

[Mark Sanctuary]

The All Lights Scene Program Example is a different functioning program than what your doing but this program does the "LED follow scene" idea and it works great.

[Michel Kohanim]

Hello Ron,

 

Apologies for the delay in my response.

 

YES. Absolutely! You can trigger/schedule scenes. Simply look for the name of the scene in the "Then" block. And, as per Mark's comments, all you have to do is to keep that button in the scene.

 

Are you trying to do something more elaborate?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

 

If I have a scene, say "turn outside lights on" on my keypad button 8, can I add just that scene to a schedule or do I still have to enter each separate light.

I have scheduled event with each light set to turn on at sunset and I have the KPL button set with the same lights in case I want to over ride the scheduled events.

The only way I have found to add KPL button and have it light or go off with the scheduled event is to add the button as a scene.

Is there a way to add KPL buttons to a scheduled event?

[CopyRon]

Thank you,

So I can delete all scheduled events except for my scenes and and the events will still occur as scheduled because they are included in a scene.?

[Michel Kohanim]

CopyRon,

 

I am not sure what you mean by:

 

So I can delete all scheduled events except for my scenes and and the events will still occur as scheduled because they are included in a scene.?

 

You still need schedules (programs) which are created to turn off a scene. As such, you can delete all schedule events which are created for each individual device within a scene. Here's an example which turns on/off the Backyard Scene depending on the time of day:

If
       From    Sunrise -  1 hour 
       To      Sunset  (same day)

Then
       Repeat Every  2 hours 
          Set  Scene 'Back Yard' Off

Else
       - No Actions - (To add one press 'Action')

 

Please do let me know if this makes sense

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[CopyRon]

Yes, that is what I mean, but my 'backyard' scene on KPL h contains 6 events.

[C Martin]

Michel,

doesn't the above code continue to set the backyard light off every 2 hours?

Is this used just in case someone turns the lights on, and this will automatically turn them back off?

[Michel Kohanim]

CopyRon,

 

By 6 events to you mean 6 devices? If so, the above code should work. Otherwise, I am not sure what you mean. Would you be kind enough to elaborate?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

 

Yes, that is what I mean, but my 'backyard' scene on KPL h contains 6 events.

[Michel Kohanim]

C Martin,

 

Yes, you are 100% correct: it does precisely that!

 

With kind regards,

Michel

 

Michel,

doesn't the above code continue to set the backyard light off every 2 hours?

Is this used just in case someone turns the lights on, and this will automatically turn them back off?

[sloop]

this is how i read the question

 

copyron has a scene with 6 resources in it - one of the resources is a keypad button

 

if he sets up an event using the name of the scene, will every device respond (including the keypad button)?

 

so scene 'backyard' is assigned to keypad button h as its controller - and also has 5 other devices (or buttons) in it

 

he adds these events

 

at sunset turn on scene backyard

at sunrise turn off scene backyard

 

will the scene behave the same way if the event triggers it or if he presses the keypad button? more to the point, will the event triggered scene cause the keypad button to illuminate as it would when he presses the button?

 

i assume the answer is yes

 

the alternative was to make the events

 

at sunset turn on keypad button h and

turn on outdoor flood lamps and

turn on driveway lights and

turn on patio light and

turn on porch light and

turn on wallwashers

 

with a corresponding event for sunrise to turn it all off

[Michel Kohanim]

sloop,

 

Thanks so very much. Please find my comments below.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

 

this is how i read the question

 

copyron has a scene with 6 resources in it - one of the resources is a keypad button

 

if he sets up an event using the name of the scene, will every device respond (including the keypad button)?

 

so scene 'backyard' is assigned to keypad button h as its controller - and also has 5 other devices (or buttons) in it

 

he adds these events

 

at sunset turn on scene backyard

at sunrise turn off scene backyard

 

will the scene behave the same way if the event triggers it or if he presses the keypad button? more to the point, will the event triggered scene cause the keypad button to illuminate as it would when he presses the button?

 

i assume the answer is yes

Yes, the answer is YES. The only difference may be the onlevels/ramprates which are different for the scene as opposed to the button (unless you use copy attributes from ... )

 

the alternative was to make the events

 

at sunset turn on keypad button h and

turn on outdoor flood lamps and

turn on driveway lights and

turn on patio light and

turn on porch light and

turn on wallwashers

 

with a corresponding event for sunrise to turn it all off

You wouldn't want to do this at all. It just adds too much overhead to the network/communications and the results are not always predictable.

[CopyRon]

Sloop, exactly what I meant!

 

I am currently using:

at sunset turn on scene backyard

at 10:00 turn off scene backyard

 

and

 

at sunset turn on keypad button h (which is backyard scene)

turn on low volt deck light

turn on low volt fene lights

turn on driveway lights and

turn on patio light 40% and

turn on porch light 40% and

turn on lamp posts

 

My Backyard scene consists of

 

turn on low volt deck light

turn on low volt fene lights

turn on driveway lights and

turn on patio light 40% and

turn on porch light 40% and

turn on lamp posts

 

So I am really wasting resources, I Will remove the individual events and just schedule the scene.

 

Sorry I didn't make this more clear, and thanks for all the help.

 

The ISY has made this fun again!

[Sub-Routine]

Just be sure to include button h in the Backyard scene.

 

You can have different settings on the lights when you control them with schedules and triggers than you have from button h or you can copy them from the scene to the button.

 

Rand

[sloop]

i agree about the isy making it fun - for me, it has allowed me to set up my lighting with minimal knowledge of the internals of the insteon protocol - which i was dead set against learning - focusing on chicken casserole recipes instead

 

and with these last few releases of the isy firmware, i can view everything as just another resource - without being concerned with the hardware limitations that prevent certain resource combinations - or if i am sending a 'group command' - what kinda crap is that - group command - something about patents on acknowledgments and - well - i can now leave that minutia to the universal devices nerdlincs

 

(can you tell i have an aversion to anything ascii based?)

 

i am glad you asked the question - i assumed the isy would handle it as michel described - but i was not sure about it - i have not set up any timed events yet - but have the same idea in mind that you are implementing - most of my lights will come on at sunset, most of those off at 22:00 and the remaining off at sunrise - but i want the option of going to bed early or staying up late so i want those buttons at hand so i can override the timed events - so i have 2 buttons on 14 keypads to do that

 

i think i am the only one that would want one, but i'd like a photorectptorlinc - for days when its stormy outside and the lights need to be on before sunset - but i have those 14 buttons for days like that

 

rumor has it that v2r7m5 will support the tazelinc secreted away in the la-z-boy and activate when the lawn needs to be mowed - now THAT would raise anyone's waf significantly - leaving only the question - is a tazelinc a controller or responder?

[CopyRon]

i think i am the only one that would want one, but i'd like a photorectptorlinc - for days when its stormy outside and the lights need to be on before sunset

 

I would also like this, gonna see if I can't set it up from an x10 hawkeye.

 

I deleted the separate events, scheduling just the scene works great!

The button is for when we have company outside and I want the scene to stay on later or we go to bed early and we want them off sooner.

[Michel Kohanim]

sloop,

 

V2R4M222 with support for tazerlinc will be available soon!

 

CopyRon,

 

I am so glad you got everything working again.

 

With kind regards,

Michel