Brignolo Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 I have a version 1 adapter which seems to work just fine for my purposes. Will the v2 adapter provide me with any extra functionality with my ISY 99? Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian H Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Here is the chart from Smarthome on the version differences: http://wiki.smarthome.com/index.php?tit ... _Revisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brignolo Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 Brian: Thanks for the prompt response. I had seen this chart earlier. It seems that an upgrade would not be necessary as I can accomplish all these controls with the ISY. My hope was that there was addded functionality with this revision as it pertanis to the ISY. It does not appear so. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Hi Joe, Version 2 in conjunction with 2.7.7 (currently in alpha) provides you with the following additional functionality: 1. You can put the thermostat as responder in scenes 2. You can use Fan, calling cool, and calling heat as controllers in other scenes 3. You can safely get rid of your thermostat query program (leave the 24 hour one though) With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brignolo Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 Michel: Thank you. It will be worth the $19 to upgrade my v1 adapter based on that new functionality. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthemAVM Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Michel: Thank you. It will be worth the $19 to upgrade my v1 adapter based on that new functionality. Joe Where is the info on the upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TS99 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Where is the info on the upgrade? http://www.smarthome.com/091119S2.html Announcing Thermostat Adapter v2.0 and Upgrade Offer You asked & we listened. Check out our new features and take advantage of our upgrade offer below: What's New in Thermostat Adapter v2.0 • Reports changes in temp, temp setpoints, mode, and fan mode • Controller functionality on heat call, cool call, and fan call (auto & manual ON) • Supports +1, -1 degree on incremental bright/dim commands • Off Button functionality - If you want a link to respond to an Off command instead of an On command, send an Off command from the INSTEON controller within 30 seconds of linking and before any other INSTEON commands are sent. Thermostat Adapter (v2.0) $99.99 More Details If you have ordered a Thermostat Adapter (2441V) or a kit that included the adapter (2491T1, 2491T7, 2490N2) - we want to extend our regular return policy to allow you to receive our latest v2.0 Thermostat Adapter. 4 simple upgrade steps: 1. Place an order for 2441V, Thermostat Adapter by January 20, 2010 and you will receive Rev 2.0 2. After receiving your new adapter, contact our customer service team to get a return authorization number for your old Thermostat Adapter. 3. Ship your old Thermostat Adapter (if you bought a kit that included the Thermostat, only return the Thermostat Adapter) back to us within 30 days. 4. Once the old Thermostat Adapter has been received and processed, we will credit your account $80. Please note: credit will be valid for 180 days from issue date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlebel Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 I've installed my two upgraded adaptors and am generally quite happy with them. However, I am a bit concerned about the behavior of the humidity sensor. Or, rather, the behavior with no sensor! I have one T1900 and it reports humidity just fine. My other thermostat is a T1700; it has always reported a number around 75% for the non-existant sensor. This was a relatively minor aggravation before v2.0 but now I find that I am getting a somewhat random humidity report every minute or two. 75%, 76%, 74%, 72%, etc. Can I put a jumper somewhere in the T1700 to disable this? I can't even buy a humidity sensor to shut it up because the 1700 won't take one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intellihome Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Thats it! Thanks rlebel, I just upgraded and have found that I have a 10X more traffic then I did with version 1 (15 minute interval query). I now get traffic fron the t-stat every couple of minutes. I did not know what it was and now I realize it's the humidity sensor reporting (even though I do not have a humidity sensor on the unit TI1700). This is clearly a big step backwards. There has to be a fix for this or I am better off with a V1 t-stat adapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveL Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 If the t-stat does not have a humidity sensor it currently will provide bad data if requested. Steve L Smartlabs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlebel Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 If the t-stat does not have a humidity sensor it currently will provide bad data if requested. Steve L Smartlabs Steve, I don't think you have completely followed the problem: nobody expects the value to be useful but because the value seems to change randomly v2.0 is broadcasting useless data frequently (e.g. once every minute or two). We are not requesting the data, but your v2.0 adapter is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwagner010 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 I just checked my log. The v2 thermostat transmitter is sending humidity broadcasts every few minutes even though I don't have a humidity sensor on my Venstar thermostat. I am already seeing a notible drop off in reliability of my insteon network with all this extra traffic. Steve this is clearly on oversight (bug) in the design of the new v2 thermostat transmitter. Steve what is Smarthome doing to correct this and provide replacements for those who have purchased this defective device? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intellihome Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 In the short term, I have no choice but to remove the device from ISY and then remove the V2 adapter from the thermostat. Hopefully this issue can be resolved before long. Steve (Smarthome) please keep us posted on any plans to correct this problem. I do not have any need for the T1900 but I would assume there is no problem with the T1900? being it has a humidity sensor. Does anybody have a T1900 with the V2 adapter, any issues? Here is a small clip of my ISY log. Great Room T-Stat Humidity 85% Sun 01/10/2010 10:22:26 PM Great Room T-Stat Humidity 81% Sun 01/10/2010 10:23:32 PM Great Room T-Stat Humidity 82% Sun 01/10/2010 10:25:43 PM Great Room T-Stat Humidity 81% Sun 01/10/2010 10:26:50 PM Great Room T-Stat Humidity 83% Sun 01/10/2010 10:27:56 PM Great Room T-Stat Humidity 82% Sun 01/10/2010 10:29:02 PM Great Room T-Stat Status 68░ Sun 01/10/2010 10:30:08 PM Great Room T-Stat Humidity 83% Sun 01/10/2010 10:31:14 PM Great Room T-Stat Humidity 84% Sun 01/10/2010 10:32:21 PM Great Room T-Stat Humidity 85% Sun 01/10/2010 10:34:31 PM Great Room T-Stat Humidity 82% Sun 01/10/2010 10:36:41 PM 11.C0.B2 - Heat Control Status On Sun 01/10/2010 10:36:58 PM Great Room T-Stat Heat/Cool State Heat On Sun 01/10/2010 10:36:58 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlebel Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 As I reported before I have a T1900 with a v2.0, it seems to work fine. I am rather surprised that an additional once a minute message on your network has a detrimental effect on reliability. I have not noticed a reliability problem with my network since adding the v2.0 to my T1700 and T1900. The Insteon communication protocols are designed to be robust with multiple message sources. I suspect that you have some other problems that are aggravated by the additional messages, not caused by them. I do think that soon someone (maybe me if I have time) will figure out how to jumper the sensor in the T1700. It would be great if SH tech support figured it out for us. P.S. I suspect that if you added a humidity senor to the T1700, even if it did not "work" in providing a display readout of humidity it would fix this problem. Maybe I will try moving the sensor from my 1900 to my 1700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwagner010 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 It may only be broadcast once a minute for each adapter but I have 4 of these things and while it has not crippled my network it has gone from 99.9999% reliability to more like 95%. Disturbs me that we paid for an upgrade and got a downgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intellihome Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Excellent News. A representitive from Venstar has suggested a fix which I implemented this evening and tested. The Humidity updates on the T1700 are gone. The display on the ISY now shows 0% all the time. They said they will make a change on future T1700's. The Fix: 1. Remove the T-stat from the baseplate. 2. Looking at the PCB with the V2 adapter port faceing down, you will see where a humidity sensor could be installed on the bottom right side of the PCB (it's actually written "Humidity sensor"). Just above this area you will see two rectangular solder bumps. The component label is C32. 3. Get a soldering iron and short these two pads together with a solder bead. BTW When I removed the V2 my stability returned. All x10 fired perfectly and my keypad buttons leds are always in synch. The V2 is now installed and the ISY is controlling nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch236 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 intellihome, could you post a pic of what you did? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch236 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 After being assured that I wouldn't void my warrantee by Smarthome, I decided to solder the points at c32 which was much easier than I thought. I didn't need pictures at all, it is very easy to find. Now I get 0% humidity and so far, no humidity traffic. It's amazing how much info can be shared via the web and friendly forums like this one. I can't imagine what we did before there was so much sharing of info. Thanks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian H Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Glad to see the problem was corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch236 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Now that I was able to get my thermostats fixed, I think this thread (or at least the fix) should be a sticky in the "How To" forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougos2 Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 I did this soldering fix on 2 thermostats. they stopped sending humidity updates, but they do not show zero humidity on the isy. one shows 248% another 3%. they never change and there is no traffic in the logs, but I wish they would just show 0 so I know that they do not have a humidity module installed. My other thermostat is a t1800 that work fine with its humidity module showing the correct humidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Hello dougos2, I am not sure where you are getting those numbers from! The best way to get rid of them is to reboot your ISY .... if you still get those crazy numbers, then the problem is the thermostat. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch236 Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 There does seem to be some sort of bug with the 1700. I soldered my humidity sensor spots as described here and I get those crazy humidity numbers too. From what I've read, so do most people. It would be great if we could defeat the humidity info from being sent from the 1700 altogether. I assume this would require a seperate dongle for the 1700 which is too expensive. I've learned to ignore it but I'd rather not look at it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Hi mitch236, Do you get those numbers even after rebooting ISY? With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch236 Posted May 10, 2010 Share Posted May 10, 2010 Yes, and here is a screenshot from today. It's not very often but it does happen. It doesn't bother me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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