We started our ISY journey over ten years ago (have zipped back up from 2013) with a 99i PRO (+ PLM 2412) for our lighting set up with scenes, if/when etc. With all the new options available and, of course, the 99i being outdated we wanted to update and upgrade but get a fresh back up first since all the lighting scenes are still working. Everything but the 99i, or so we thought. Turns out the power supply to it, despite the LED light on, didn't power the 99i. Hooked up a new PSU and now the 99i is lighting up again too and I can see it in our router (Nighthawk R8000P).

But - we haven't logged into our ISY for six, seven years i.e. several computers ago... I have now downloaded the admin.jnlp and also the start.jnlp. They start but they don't find the 99i and I cannot add it manually using its IP address/URL (https://xxx.xxx.x.xx/desc) to either one of them, it results in "not found".

Is there anything else I can try to get the 99i added to the admin console to see and back up or fiddle with current programming, get things in order before updating?

If not, I bought a 994 (+ PLM 2413S) on Ebay. I searched and read a lot here on the forum but it is probably so old that it is buried - is there a "migrate from 99i to 994i" guide somewhere? Or is it as easy as swapping the devices? Will the 994i see and load the old scenes? Or would I be able and need to load the 2013 (99i) back up into the 994i?

Your feedback and help is really appreciated. I'd like us to get back on track after letting things run their course for so long without meddling but - they worked, so - yeah...

Thank you!

Unfortunately, your hardware and firmware are outdated and long since discontinued.  The ISY994 has also been discontinued but will still be supported for several more months.

The current hardware is the eisy. At this point in time it would be best to start over from scratch.

The ISY supports the 2413S, and the eisy supports the 2413U and 2413S, both are out of stock but should be available in March. 

Not sure if the current admin console supports the older 99i. Try clearing your java cache, including installed applications and applets then download the Iox Launcher:  https://isy.universal-devices.com/start.jnlp

 

 

 

start.jnlp

1 hour ago, CWillison said:

https://xxx.xxx.x.xx/desc

Have you tried http://xxx.xxx.x.xx/desc  i.e. no s on http.... i wasn't around in the 99 days but i suspect it only knows unencrypted.... 

You might also try saving the admin console via http://xxx.xxx.x.xx/admin.jnlp and then running that admin console.

1 hour ago, MrBill said:

Have you tried http://xxx.xxx.x.xx/desc i.e. no s on http.... i wasn't around in the 99 days but i suspect it only knows unencrypted.... 

You might also try saving the admin console via http://xxx.xxx.x.xx/admin.jnlp and then running that admin console.

Yes, sorry, my typo - I did use unencrypted just http protocol but no luck. 

http://xxx.xxx.x.xx/admin.jnlp doesn't work either. But I know that it's the one we used previously even though we have a 99i and the admin console says ISY994.

I just don't understand why it doesn't connect even though I can see it in the router, I can ping it through command prompt - no issues.

Thanks for trying!

3 hours ago, Techman said:

Unfortunately, your hardware and firmware are outdated and long since discontinued.  The ISY994 has also been discontinued but will still be supported for several more months.

The current hardware is the eisy. At this point in time it would be best to start over from scratch.

The ISY supports the 2413S, and the eisy supports the 2413U and 2413S, both are out of stock but should be available in March. 

Not sure if the current admin console supports the older 99i. Try clearing your java cache, including installed applications and applets then download the Iox Launcher:  https://isy.universal-devices.com/start.jnlp

 

 

 

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Yeah, I know - we really should have looked at it earlier. The thing is that the 99i did work with the ISY994 console and I really wanted to get the current data downloaded. The Iox Launcher doesn't find it either.

If I were to start completely new with an EISY, how does that work with the data currently... 'in our house'? i.e. in the switches etc.? Will that have to be cleared, somehow?

Thank you!

I'm assuming that all your devices are Insteon. If that's the case then, if starting from scratch, you would do a factory reset on the PLM and all your Insteon devices and then link them using the new controller firmware and hardware.

Assuming that the 2413S you bought is in working condition you could use that with the eisy. Here's what you would need:  the eisy and the cable kit, both available from the UD Store:

    eisy | home - Universal Devices (universal-devices.com)

     Serial PLM Kit - Universal Devices (universal-devices.com)

How many devices do you have. Are they all A/C powered, or do you also have battery operated devices?

I not sure if you can access your 99i using the available access methods, maybe some of the other forum members might know.

42 minutes ago, CWillison said:

Yeah, I know - we really should have looked at it earlier. The thing is that the 99i did work with the ISY994 console and I really wanted to get the current data downloaded. The Iox Launcher doesn't find it either.

If I were to start completely new with an EISY, how does that work with the data currently... 'in our house'? i.e. in the switches etc.? Will that have to be cleared, somehow?

Thank you!

You're in uncharted waters and probably on your own with this one. It's been a good 10 years since the 99 was discontinued so there probably isn't anyone around who has taken your journey from 99 to EISY. 

It's probably the same should you go from the 99 to 994. As it's been ages for most of us since we did that migration. If anything it would be backup old system and restore it in the 994. 

As mentioned earlier, it'll probably be best to start with a clean slate and go with the eisy. Factory reset your devices to original state by following the directions in their respective user manuals Google device model# and add user manual). Once done, you'd add the devices like normal to the eisy

You may want to look at this wiki page. https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY-994i_Series:Migrating_To_Your_ISY-994i

The finder will not work on  that model. As even the latest ISY99i firmware is too old for it to find and run it.

The 2412S can power the ISY994i. So the use the original PLM may power the ISY994i over the serial line. Not clear if you use the ISY994i and the replacement PLM.

Edited January 28, 20232 yr by Brian H

http://xxx.xxx.x.xx/admin.jnlp should create a link on a windows desktop that you can launch. Make sure you turn on security within Java to run via browser.

Morning Magic! Who would have thought... today before doing anything else and switching hardware to the 994 and trying things that way I cleared the Java cache for the umpteenth time, started admin.jnlp and - it worked. Got my old credentials and - I'm in!! Woohoooo ☺️

No idea why it worked now vs not working yesterday afternoon, on my side nothing had changed. First thing I did was a back up and now I'll be going through all the devices, there seem to be a few communication issues but that's - hopefully - fixable. Or I'll remove them, factory reset them and add them new. We'll see. There's going to be a lot of fiddling in the near future.

And then we'll move on to newer techs. And will likely be back with a whole host of new questions.

Thank you so much for your help, guys!

14 hours ago, hart2hart said:

http://xxx.xxx.x.xx/admin.jnlp should create a link on a windows desktop that you can launch. Make sure you turn on security within Java to run via browser.

Yup, Java security browser is turned on and the icon is there, it opened but just wouldn't see the ISY. 

Thank you.

15 hours ago, Brian H said:

You may want to look at this wiki page. https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY-994i_Series:Migrating_To_Your_ISY-994i

The finder will not work on  that model. As even the latest ISY99i firmware is too old for it to find and run it.

The 2412S can power the ISY994i. So the use the original PLM may power the ISY994i over the serial line. Not clear if you use the ISY994i and the replacement PLM.

Thank you for that link. I'll be doing a lot of reading. Now that I'm back in, I'm on my way to the newer and newest versions of our Smarthome.

Appreciate you talking the time to help me.

17 hours ago, lilyoyo1 said:

You're in uncharted waters and probably on your own with this one. It's been a good 10 years since the 99 was discontinued so there probably isn't anyone around who has taken your journey from 99 to EISY. 

It's probably the same should you go from the 99 to 994. As it's been ages for most of us since we did that migration. If anything it would be backup old system and restore it in the 994. 

As mentioned earlier, it'll probably be best to start with a clean slate and go with the eisy. Factory reset your devices to original state by following the directions in their respective user manuals Google device model# and add user manual). Once done, you'd add the devices like normal to the eisy

Yeah, I figured - internet dinosaur here - hahahaha. I'm back in the ISY but now I'll be looking into EISY for sure.

Thank you.

17 hours ago, Techman said:

I'm assuming that all your devices are Insteon. If that's the case then, if starting from scratch, you would do a factory reset on the PLM and all your Insteon devices and then link them using the new controller firmware and hardware.

Assuming that the 2413S you bought is in working condition you could use that with the eisy. Here's what you would need:  the eisy and the cable kit, both available from the UD Store:

    eisy | home - Universal Devices (universal-devices.com)

     Serial PLM Kit - Universal Devices (universal-devices.com)

How many devices do you have. Are they all A/C powered, or do you also have battery operated devices?

I not sure if you can access your 99i using the available access methods, maybe some of the other forum members might know.

I believe they're all Insteon but there may be an X10 somewhere I'll have to double-check. Which I'll have to do anyways if or when I factory reset them to move them over to EISY. I got back in, not sure how, so now the journey begins.

We don't have too many devices (maybe 30?, didn't count, all of them are A/C powered) as we're using this only in our townhouse, no outside and not everything is on ISY, quite a few plugs and switches are normal. What I'm saying is, going through all of them and factory reset is doable and it should not take too much time.

Appreciate your replies!