I have a Polisy with a Zooz 700 version 5.9.1 that is working fine. I have not upgraded to ver 6.0.0 as I don't know how to migrate the Zooz 700. Step one is backup your Z-wave. I have read a lot about it here, but few have the Zooz 700. I can't back up the Zooz 700 as the option is not available. This could all be behind me now. I also have an Eisy with a Zmatter dongle. My ultimate goal is to move to the Eisy with Zmatter. So I am thinking that if I can factory reset my used Zmatter dongle using the Eisy then I can do a Zmatter upgrade on the Polisy with the Zmatter I just reset. After that, the upgrade should be pretty straight forward. This is my step 1.

To answer your first question, upgrading the Polisy to 6.0.4 isn't a migration if you're just keeping the Zooz stick on it. It's just a straight IoX version upgrade. As you'll see in my own thread I started yesterday about migrating from Zooz to ZMatter, there is no zwave backup option when you have the Zooz dongle. That option only appears with the ZMatter dongle. The migration involves clicking on the button you highlighted in your post above, which will have you create a migration backup. This is similar to how you migrate from a ISY994i to a eisy.

Your ultimate migration to ZMatter could either be done on the eisy or the Polisy. I'd probably do it on the eisy. The process is explained here:

https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=Eisy:User_Guide#Migration

It's confusing to read because it covers several different migrations (from ISY994i, Polisy, eisy -> ZMatter).

I haven't had much luck with my migration.

@Guy Lavoie Thanks, that is just the encouragement I was looking for. LOL, Since I have two setups eisy and Polisy, I am thinking of doing the migration from Policy with Zooz 700 and serial PLM to eisy with Zmatter and USB PLM using the wiki link above. Make my backup file on Polisy. Restore eisy from my backup. In theory it should work. I just don't want to get suck in the middle.

Well, I got stuck in the middle. It all went fast and well until I restored the PLM, as I was using a new PLM on the eisy. Actually the restore PLM part went Okay. I just have a lot of battery devices. The list was crazy long. The battery devices would have to be reset one at a time. Zwave appears to have migrated too. I was out of time. I disconnected the eisy and fired up the Policty. It turns out I had broken most all the links on my connected modules. So I had to restore, write and test every module.

I am going to try this again using the UD serial to USB cable. This way I won't have to mess with PLM. I just have to physically move it.

So your Zooz to ZMatter migration worked ok? Please confirm. I'm trying to learn from this. Mine didn't, and I needed to add back each device manually (exclude or reset, then add). Thankfully I only have about a dozen zwave devices, none of which are wall switches. But for a few of the locks, I needed to remove them from the door and bring them closer to the ZMatter dongle to properly add them. These are Weiser locks. Do you have any zwave locks? I'm thinking that their greater number of features and nodes might have been a factor.

To make reconfiguring devices easier, I had the restored migration backup running on a test controller (Polisy) and my actual setup with the new dongle on my eisy, and ran two admin console sessions running side by side on two monitors, so I could easily see what the old device names were, and search the programs where they were referenced. I'd then replicate that on the eisy.

For your Insteon migration, keeping the same PLM makes things a lot easier! I also have a bunch of battery powered devices (leak sensors and open/close sensors) and wouldn't want to redo each one.

@Guy Lavoie Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I removed the PLM from the eisy and brought it back up to look at the z-wave. Just about all wall powered z-wave devices (10) worked (migrated) fine. Only found 1 that didn't. I don't have any locks. The rest of my z-wave (15) are battery operated temp, flood, motion or environmental sensors. They did not work.

The common denominator seems to be the battery powered devices. Locks are also battery powered. Though there might still be a difference because locks need to be able to receive commands so they're always awake, while sensors usually only send out data.

Do the sensors appear at all in your device list? Or are they there but showing only as placeholder nodes with no controls? If they do appear, try right clicking on the device: Z-Wave -> Synchronize -> Update with Interview. You might try waking up the device first, if there is a way to so that.

I'll actually be experimenting a bit with migrations once I'm certain that I've manually reconfigured everything correctly to ZMatter on my eisy.. Then I'll be able to reset the Zooz stick and try things with it. I have Polisys as test controllers, and I've just acquired one that has a ZMatter board in it. I'll create a small setup with one lock and a zwave appliance module with the Zooz stick on a Polisy, and try migrating that to the ZMatter Polisy.

Yes, @Guy Lavoie I would agree. All the z-wave devices that were on battery showed up as placeholders after the migration. Between the non functioning Insteon battery devices and the Z-wave battery devices, I threw in the towel. I went back to a working configuration on the Polisy. Actually it is working better. I must have cleared some links doing the restore. I am going to reset the eisy and Zmatter to factory. When I receive the new Serial PLM cable from UD, I will try again. This way if most all insteon devices, wall powered z-wave devices and battery insteon device (using the current PLM that I will transfer) work, I should not have too much work to do with z-wave battery devices.

I am curious if there will still be support for insteon sirens, I/O links and smoke detectors in eisy.

7 hours ago, CPrince said:

I am curious if there will still be support for insteon sirens, I/O links and smoke detectors in eisy.

I don't know about the other two, but I have IOLincs and they work fine with the EISY.

Regarding the battery devices, I am wondering if the easiest of bad options (once the migration is complete and the "placeholders" exist) would be to factory reset the battery devices, add them to the new EISY, then perform a "replace" action. I must admit that I forgot how I handled my migration of Insteon battery devices (I did not migrate zwave from zooz) but I thought it was nothing more than putting each into linking mode then performing a "write" action from the admin console. Unlike you two, however, I did not have too many.

Edited 6 hours ago6 hr by oberkc

7 hours ago, CPrince said:

I am curious if there will still be support for insteon sirens, I/O links and smoke detectors in eisy.

I used Insteon sirens, iolincs, motion and leak detectors successfully with eisy and they worked as they did on ISY.

I assume you're talking about the First Alert Smoke Bridge? It's not sold anymore but see no reason UDI would choose to remove an Insteon device that's been integrated for years.

However, the concern to have is that First Alert phased out the One Link designation for the RF used by the smoke sensors compatible with the Insteon Smoke Bridge years ago. I owned the smoke bridge well over 10 years ago and the compatible First Alert devices were replaced with something else as they were EOL. Is the Insteon Smoke Bridge compatible with newer First Alert wireless/rf products??

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by paulbates

@paulbates I forgot about the life of the smoke detectors. I think they run 8 years or so. Freaked me out when they "died". I had 2 and they died in a week of each other. I knew it was sending a code, but could not reference it. I finally did and the code was "end of life". I replaced them with the First Alert SCO500B in December 2021. I bought theses on Amazon. I see that these are hard to find now. Company below has some.

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