Motion Sensors trigger during the day

[HowganTech]

Hi,

 

I have taken over an installation and programming project from a former employee.

I've finished cleaning up many issues with the programming except the fact that the Motion Sensors still trigger the outdoor lighting during the day.

Is this by design?

If by design, how do I program them to not trigger during the day?

 

Thanks

[LeeG]

Need some additional information. The Motion Sensor (assuming it is the Insteon Motion Sensor (2842-222 or 2420M, same device) has a Dusk/Dawn sensor in combination with a Night Only mode. The ISY can set the Dusk/Dawn light level as well as the Night Only Option.

 

If the lighting is being turned on with an ISY Program there are Sunset/Sunrise options that can be used to gate when a Motion On message has an effect.

 

Need more information about the specific installation. Are Direct links between the Motion Sensor and the lights being used or is an ISY Program being triggered by the motion?

 

Also need to confirm the type of motion sensor

[HowganTech]

Need some additional information. The Motion Sensor (assuming it is the Insteon Motion Sensor (2842-222 or 2420M, same device) has a Dusk/Dawn sensor in combination with a Night Only mode. The ISY can set the Dusk/Dawn light level as well as the Night Only Option.

 

If the lighting is being turned on with an ISY Program there are Sunset/Sunrise options that can be used to gate when a Motion On message has an effect.

 

Need more information about the specific installation. Are Direct links between the Motion Sensor and the lights being used or is an ISY Program being triggered by the motion?

 

Also need to confirm the type of motion sensor

 

Hope I've gotten everything here.....

 

Sensors are all Insteon 2420M.

Programming device is a 994i.

Program is Universal Devices Admin Console (99i Administrative Console).

 

When I look at the Main tab on the admin console and check any of the motion sensors, there is nothing listed in “Current Stateâ€. I’m assuming my predecessor did not program these devices before installing them. Is my assumption correct or not?

There are three "Night time" Programs running. The first one is for Night time motion sensor trigger; code is as follows:

If

Control 'EAST END MOTION-Sensor' is switched On

And Control 'EAST END MOTION-Sensor' is not switched Off

 

Then

Set Scene 'Front Stoop Motion' Fast On

Wait 20 minutes

Set Scene 'Front Stoop Motion' Off

 

Else

- No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

“Front Stoop Motion†Scene encompasses all outside motion sensors (4 total). It is set this way for each of the different motion sensors on the property. All motion sensors are nested under one folder which has the following code applied to it:

 

Another "Night Time" Program is as follows:

 

Folder Conditions for 'Dark Outside'

Add conditions to limit when programs in this folder are allowed to run.

If

On Sun, Tue, Thu

Time is 9:00:00PM

Or On Sat, Mon, Wed, Fri

Time is 9:20:00PM

 

Then

Allow the programs in this folder to run.

 

The other two other “Night time†Programs running. Code for AFTER SUNSET SMWF is as follows:

If

On Sat, Mon, Wed, Fri

From 6:50:00PM

For 3 hours

 

Then

Wait 20 minutes (Random)

Set Scene 'Front Stoop Motion' On

Wait 1 hour and 50 minutes

Wait 20 minutes (Random)

Set Scene 'Front Stoop Motion' Off

 

Else

- No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

The last “Night Time†Program for AFTER SUNSET STT is as follows:

 

If

On Sun, Tue, Thu

From 7:10:00PM

For 3 hours

 

Then

Wait 20 minutes (Random)

Set Scene 'Front Stoop Motion' On

Wait 1 hour and 50 minutes

Wait 20 minutes (Random)

Set Scene 'Front Stoop Motion' Off

 

Else

- No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

There is one “daytime†program running called Sunrise Off; code is:

If

From Sunrise + 10 minutes

To Sunset (same day)

 

Then

Set Scene 'Front Stoop Motion' Off

 

Else

- No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

[LeeG]

The Folder has no False condition so once either time is reached for the specified days the Folder condition is set to True and remains True. Makes the existence of the Folder irrelevant.

 

The Current State column will be blank from an ISY boot until the Motion Sensor signals motion.

 

The motion sensor options can be determined by pressing the Set button on the motion sensor until the Red LED blinks indicating the device is in linking mode (and awake). Click the motion sensor Sensor node and select Set Options. The current motion sensor options will be displayed.

 

It looks like the Folder and Program conditions are expected to limit the action of the motion sensor to evening operation. Once they are set up correctly the motion sensor probably does not need any new options.

[oberkc]

When I look at the Main tab on the admin console and check any of the motion sensors, there is nothing listed in “Current Stateâ€. I’m assuming my predecessor did not program these devices before installing them. Is my assumption correct or not?

 

No. If the devices are listed, they are part of the ISY database of devices.

 

“Front Stoop Motion†Scene encompasses all outside motion sensors (4 total).

 

So this scene contains no lighting devices?

 

Another "Night Time" Program is as follows:

 

Folder Conditions for 'Dark Outside'

Add conditions to limit when programs in this folder are allowed to run.

If

On Sun, Tue, Thu

Time is 9:00:00PM

Or On Sat, Mon, Wed, Fri

Time is 9:20:00PM

 

Then

Allow the programs in this folder to run.

 

I assume that this is the condition that was intended to allow the motion sensors to operate only during the night. If so, then it is written incorrectly. Which programs are in this folder, if any?

 

Instead, try something like this:

 

if
time is from sunset
to sunrise (next day)

 

or

if 
time is from 900pm
to 1159pm

\

 

These are starting suggestions. It may help to describe each folder and condition...and which programs are in each folder. (If you have done this, I am having trouble following). Please confirm ALL devices in the scene "front stoop motion" (is this only including four motion sensors?).