In-LineLinc can't talk to itself?

[slcasner]

A few days ago I installed a 2475S2 In-LineLink On/Off Module with

Sense where the sense line is controlled by a standard SPST household

toggle switch (in a location where I want a brown switch, but the

ToggleLinc is not available in brown color). When I did my initial

testing before packing all the wiring back into the junction box, the

light was controlled by the switch just fine. Then I added that

In-LineLinc to my ISY-994i configuration and verified that the ISY

could turn the light on and off. Again all fine. After I had it all

buttoned up, I flipped on the switch but the light did not come on. I

went to the ISY console and successfully turned the light on and off.

After turning on the light with the ISY, flipping the mechanical

switch either on or off causes the light to go off, but I can't get

the light to come on with the switch.

 

Using the event log on the ISY, I can see that when I flip the switch,

the controller half of the device sends out its ON or OFF code, so

that function is not broken, it's just not connected to the relay

half. To temporarily work around this problem, I added a program

to the ISY to send an ON command to the device when it sees an ON

control coming from the device. That worked.

 

Does adding the In-LineLinc to the ISY cause its two halves

(controller and switch) to become mostly independent? Does it have to

be linked with itself?

 

Tonight I came up with another idea to try to answer that question. I

disabled the hack program on the ISY, then I created a scene and added

just the one In-LineLinc device to it as a controller. Now the switch

properly controls the relay again. I guess this does mean that adding

the device to the ISY caused a pre-programmed linkage between the

sense half and the relay have to become disconnected. Is this

expected?

[LeeG]

The function of the InLineLinc is not changed when added to the ISY. What is the SPST switch controlling? That is, what is the SPST switch connecting to the Sense line? It almost sounds like the SPST switch is controlling what should be unswitched power to the InLineLinc itself.

 

Are any Fast On or Fsst Off commands being used?

[Xathros]

I bet one of the small buttons on the inlinelinc is being held in by some of the wire in the box. I have run into this before with 2 of mine in tight spaces.

 

-Xathros

[slcasner]

LeeG, the SPST switch is hooked to line (always powered) on one side and the sense wire on the other. Its only function is to control the In-LineLinc.

 

Xathros, your suggestion is one I had not considered. This particular box is not at all tight because it is a 3-gang box with three normal switches in it, plus it is mounted deep behind a stone backsplash. Nevertheless, a wire could be pushing on one of the buttons. At a time when the kitchen is not in use so I can take the cover plate off, I'll check that.

 

Does the fact that it works after putting it in a scene by itself offer any clues?

[LeeG]

The symptoms do not make any sense. If the Sense line going to 120v sends an On command back to the ISY the Relay should be On for as long as the Sense line has 120v.

 

Adding a link record for a Scene should have no affect on the Sense line turning the InLineLinc Relay On. There is already a Controller link record pointing back to the PLM as a Responder. That has to be there for the ISY to show the InLineLinc On when the Sense line has 120v.

 

Only suggestion besides making sure a button is not pressed would be a factory reset and Restore Device.

 

I install the InLineLinc with the buttons and LED facing out so the Set button can be reached and the InLineLinc tested with its own buttons. No experience with a button depressed by accident.

[slcasner]

LeeG, I agree with what you say. It makes no sense (pun intended) to me. I wanted to check with the experts to see if my expectations for the device's behavior were wrong. You've confirmed that the device is supposed to work the way I expected, and that something is haywire here. Thanks.

[slcasner]

I did reposition the In-LineLinc in the junction box so the switches are all facing outward. I removed the scene in the ISY, but I could not factory reset the device because I was alone so I could not hold the button and go to the breaker at the same time. Never the less, the device now seems to be operating normally. It could be that when I create the scene and put it into the scene by itself that just the act of the ISY sending programming to the device gave it the necessary kick in the pants, and that the scene did not actually do anything.

 

My only idea for explaining the strange behavior is that when I was first installing and programming the device, I did get some communication errors. Maybe it was left in a partially programmed state.

[aLf]

Quick question on a new lighting scene I have.

 

I currently just installed a new circuit in a laundry room. I used just a normal switch to control the light above a sink. I had intended to put a SL in place and the an inline linc later to control some cabinet lighting. My need wasn't to have the sink light contolled by Insteon, but thought the cabinet lights controlled by I and my ISY for a night scene would be nice. After reading this post I wonder whether I couldn't tie into the switched side of the sink, then run to a ILL/w sense as stated above (I assume sending 110 to the ILL) then turning on the cabinet lights. In addition, if I read this right, I could independent of the sink switch have anything on the Insteon network (including ISY) control the cabinets. If that is right? What happens when say ISY has turned on the cabinets (sink switch is off) and I then turn on the sink switch? Then does turning off the sink switch override ISY having turne the ILL on? What would happen with this same scenario if the ISY program said (if time is between..., turn on cabinets), then the sink switch is turned off. Would ISY say hey, it is between ... and turn it back on? That is what I'd like.

 

Thanks for the explain in advance.

 

Tim

[LeeG]

An On command to the InLineLinc or the Sense line going to 120V will turn the InLineLinc On. Once On with either an On command or the Sense line going to 120V, an Off command to the InLineLinc or the Sense line no longer having 120V will turn the InLineLinc Off.

 

Fast On turns the InLineLinc On and prevents the Sense line from controlling the InLineLinc.

 

Fast Off turns the InLineLinc Off and prevents the Sense line from controlling the InLineLinc.

 

A normal On or Off command restores the InLineLinc to normal operation after a Fast xxx command.

[aLf]

Lee:

 

Thanks. Just to clarify though.

 

If ISY has a program for the ILL to be on from say 6-10PM & If the sense (normal switch) is turned on, then off. Would ISY say it is between 6-10 and put the ILL back on, without using any fast on/off?

 

Also is ther an ILL that dims?

 

Tim

[LeeG]

I would need to see the Program to be sure. However, a simple If Condition using From/To Time triggers the Program at From Time and at To Time. The Program will not be triggered under any other circumstance. Therefore the Program cannot do anything except at the From Time and the To Time. That is, it would not override anything that happened to the InLineLinc from any source (another Program, Sense line change, etc). Not unique to the InLineLinc, that is the way ISY Programs works in general.

 

If the Status of the InLineLinc is part of the If Conditions then the above would not be accurate. Really need to see the Program.

 

There is a dimmer InLineLinc but it does not have the Sense line. Only the Relay version of the InLineLinc has Sense.