MarkJames

As always, thank you Michel. I cleared my Java cache when I updated to 4.2.10 but I'll do it again. You may be on to something with the firewall as I typically leave firewall turned off but recently it got turned on again as a result of an antivirus software installation. I'll turn it back off again and see how it goes. Much appreciated. Mark

Sorry - I have one open issue at the moment and this is unrelated so I started a second post. I can't find anyone who's had/having a similar problem or at least that posted it in such a way that my search returned any results so here goes and my apologies if this has been handled before. I'm on 4.2.10 but this was happening earlier as well. When I go to my programs tab usually it will open the loading programs dialog and the programs will display for me to edit etc. But sometimes either the tab won't activate or it activates but no programs will display. There doesn't seem to be a way to make this problem resolve. I can switch to the configuration, main, or elk tabs and they all come up fine but despite switching tab to tab the programs tab remains frozen. If I then close the UDI interface and then re-open it I will frequently (usually) get the 'authenticate my lighting' dialog but it doesn't completely load - it remains greyed and the text boxes for entering username and password are not there nor is the ok/cancel buttons. If I restart my session a time or two this will often resolve or if I unplug/replug the ISY it will resolve but come back again soon after. Any thoughts? Mark

... that time seemed to be - yes - but I still have no state information in the ISY interface. Current state shows blank in heartbeat, wet, and dry. Query returns nothing. mark

Thanks for the quick replies. ISY is on firmware 4.2.10 The leak sensor is within 4ft unobstructed of the 2413plm I tried to shut down all normal activity so the log wouldn't be cluttered with extraneous rubbish (I have an Elk and a bunch of perimeter sensors that send a lot of traffic just from normal home movement). Hopefully there's not a lot of crap in here. I really do need to learn how to read the comm events some day. Thanks in advance for your help - as you can surmise the address of the sensor is 28.51.25 Here's the log Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:22 AM : [ 28 51 25 1] Preparing Device 'LEAK SENSOR-Dry' for Restore Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:22 AM : [ 28 51 25 1] Device 'LEAK SENSOR-Dry' ready for Full Restore Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:22 AM : [All ] Writing 25 bytes to devices Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:22 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 28 51 25 0F 0D 00 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:22 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 28.51.25 0F 0D 00 06 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:22 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 28.51.25 18.CE.5D 27 0D 02 (02) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:22 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 28.51.25-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:22 AM : [28 51 25 0 ] Calibrating engine version Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:22 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 28 51 25 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:22 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 28.51.25 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 06 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 28.51.25 18.CE.5D 27 2F 00 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:25 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 28.51.25-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:25 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 28 51 25 18 CE 5D 11 2F 00 00 01 0F FF 01 E2 01 18 CE 5D 01 00 01 99 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:25 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 28.51.25-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:25 AM : [28 51 25 1 ] Link 0 : 0FF8 [E20118CE5D010001] Writing [E20118CE5D010001] Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:25 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 28 51 25 1F 2F 00 00 02 0F FF 08 E2 01 18 CE 5D 01 00 01 91 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:25 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 28.51.25 1F 2F 00 00 02 0F FF 08 E2 01 18 CE 5D 01 00 01 91 06 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:26 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 28.51.25 18.CE.5D 27 2F 00 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:26 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 28.51.25-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:26 AM : [MNG-LNK-RSP ] 02 6F 41 A2 01 28 51 25 10 08 00 06 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:26 AM : [PLM ] Group 1 : Writing Responder Link matching [28 51 25 1 ] Link 0 : 0FF8 [E20118CE5D010001] Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:26 AM : [28 51 25 1 ] Link 1 : 0FF0 [E20218CE5D010002] Writing [E20218CE5D010002] Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:26 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 28 51 25 1F 2F 00 00 02 0F F7 08 E2 02 18 CE 5D 01 00 02 97 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:27 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 28.51.25 1F 2F 00 00 02 0F F7 08 E2 02 18 CE 5D 01 00 02 97 06 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:27 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 28.51.25 18.CE.5D 27 2F 00 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:27 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 28.51.25-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:27 AM : [MNG-LNK-RSP ] 02 6F 41 A2 02 28 51 25 10 08 00 06 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:27 AM : [PLM ] Group 2 : Writing Responder Link matching [28 51 25 1 ] Link 1 : 0FF0 [E20218CE5D010002] Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:27 AM : [28 51 25 1 ] Link 2 : 0FE8 [E20418CE5D010004] Writing [E20418CE5D010004] Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:27 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 28 51 25 1F 2F 00 00 02 0F EF 08 E2 04 18 CE 5D 01 00 04 9B Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:28 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 28.51.25 1F 2F 00 00 02 0F EF 08 E2 04 18 CE 5D 01 00 04 9B 06 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:30 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 28.51.25 18.CE.5D 27 2F 00 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:30 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 28.51.25-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:30 AM : [MNG-LNK-RSP ] 02 6F 41 A2 04 28 51 25 10 08 00 06 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:30 AM : [PLM ] Group 4 : Writing Responder Link matching [28 51 25 1 ] Link 2 : 0FE8 [E20418CE5D010004] Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:30 AM : [28 51 25 1 ] Link 3 : 0FE0 [0000000000000000] Writing [00..............] Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:30 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 28 51 25 1F 2F 00 00 02 0F E7 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D1 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:30 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 28.51.25 1F 2F 00 00 02 0F E7 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D1 06 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:39 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 28 51 25 1F 2F 00 00 02 0F E7 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D1 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:39 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 28.51.25 1F 2F 00 00 02 0F E7 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D1 06 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:40 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 28.51.25 18.CE.5D 27 2F 00 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:40 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 28.51.25-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:40 AM : [28 51 25 1 ] Link 4 : 0FD8 : Writing High Water Byte Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:40 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 28 51 25 1F 2F 00 00 00 0F DF 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 E2 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:40 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 28.51.25 1F 2F 00 00 00 0F DF 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 E2 06 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:41 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 28.51.25 18.CE.5D 27 2F 00 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:41 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 28.51.25-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:42 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 28 51 25 18 CE 5D 12 2F 00 00 01 0F DF 01 00 05 18 CE 5D 01 00 05 93 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:42 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 28.51.25-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=2, Hops Left=0 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:42 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 28 51 25 1F 2F 00 00 00 0F DF 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 E2 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:42 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 28.51.25 1F 2F 00 00 00 0F DF 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 E2 06 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:43 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 28.51.25 18.CE.5D 27 2F 00 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:43 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 28.51.25-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:43 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 28 51 25 18 CE 5D 11 2F 00 00 01 0F DF 01 00 05 18 CE 5D 01 00 05 93 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:43 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 28.51.25-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:43 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 28 51 25 1F 2F 00 00 02 0F DF 08 00 05 18 CE 5D 01 00 05 8B Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:43 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 28.51.25 1F 2F 00 00 02 0F DF 08 00 05 18 CE 5D 01 00 05 8B 06 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:44 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 28.51.25 18.CE.5D 27 2F 00 (00) Fri 09/19/2014 10:31:44 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 28.51.25-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1

So I just bought a few new Insteon devices - that brings my housewide total up to somewhere around 140 or so individual devices - I love this stuff One of the devices I bought was a 2852-222 leak sensor. I can't seem to get it to link, though, despite having gone through the wiki. I've pulled up the new insteon device dialog, selected the 10.08 Leak sensor device type and added the address of the unit. I put it in comm mode by pressing and holding the button till it starts flashing - this is where the wiki gets a bit weird and may be where I'm going wrong. The wiki says that when it starts blinking to release and then click the button again at which point the ISY can see it (by ISY I assume it means via the dual band devices and not by some RF capability of the ISY that I'm unaware of). But when I release the button and click it again the normal blinking pattern changes to a double blink - pause pattern. I can't find any reference to this pattern anywhere. In the single blink mode my ISY will eventually add the device but then I'll get a failed to communicate error. That will bring up the exclamation point prompts beside the device on the main screen. I can disable/reenable it and then try to restore it but I can never communicate with it and none of the 3 sensors get a reading nor can I query it. I'm literally surrounded by dual band devices where I'm doing this - there are easily a dozen within 20ft so I don't think it's that (or maybe there's TOO many?) Any help would be appreciated. mark

As an aside - using the method maddbomber83 posted I changed the size of the iframe down to 1x1. That effectively makes it invisible and does what I wanted perfectly. Thanks again, Mark

That worked perfectly! Thanks. I just cut and pasted your iframe line into my code and reset the targets of the hyperlinks to it. Much appreciated! Mark

Hi, I'm a very very very very basic html programmer. Emphasis on the basic. I'm trying to add a simple web page to my personal web space that lets me turn the lights on and off in the house. It's purely meant for local use so all the links map within my 192.168.0.xxx network space. I've created the page and added all the necessary rest commands and it works perfectly. I've got on and off text hyperlinks to each appropriate rest command - one for each ON and one for each OFF. The only thing of it is that when I click the link the browser treats it as it should - as a link - and opens the rest command result in either a new tab or in the same tab. Either way the focus shifts to a tab/page/browser window other than the one with all my buttons. I'd like it to stay on the same page so I can press additional buttons without having to switch back. Ideally I don't care to see the rest command result at all. I'm sure this is a snap for all the web design savvy folks out there. I'd sure appreciate a nudge in the right direction. Thanks, Mark

Ahhh - uPnP was the problem. I recently switched to VoIP in my home and changed my Linksys Tomato Firmware over to dd-WRT. I didn't realize that dd-WRT had uPnP disabled by default. I turned it back on and all is well now. Thank you Michel! mark

Thanks Brian, I'm hoping one of the developers pops in and sheds some light on what this means and what the cause might be. My log after a reboot looks like this. Something is up. I had it linked to mobilinc and to homeseer but have disconnected those to troubleshoot. At the moment it's still connected to my Elk Tue 2012/11/27 07:51:21 AM System -5 Start Tue 2012/11/27 07:51:24 AM System -110022 /CONF/ELKXPRT.XML Tue 2012/11/27 07:51:32 AM System -170001 [Network] Established Tue 2012/11/27 07:51:31 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:51:36 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:53:40 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:53:45 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:53:56 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:54:01 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:54:12 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:54:17 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:54:28 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:54:33 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:54:44 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:54:49 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:55:00 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:55:05 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:55:16 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:55:21 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:55:32 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:55:37 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:55:48 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:55:53 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:56:04 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:56:09 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:56:20 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:56:25 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:56:36 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:56:41 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:56:52 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:56:57 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:57:08 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:57:13 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:57:24 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:57:29 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:57:40 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:57:45 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:57:56 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:58:01 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:58:12 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:58:17 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:58:28 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:58:33 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:58:44 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:58:49 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:59:00 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:59:05 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:59:16 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:59:21 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:59:32 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:59:37 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:59:48 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 07:59:53 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:00:04 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:00:09 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:00:20 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:00:25 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:00:36 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:00:41 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:00:52 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:00:57 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:01:08 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:01:13 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:01:24 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:01:29 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:01:40 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:01:45 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:01:56 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:02:01 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:02:12 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:02:17 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:02:28 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:02:33 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:02:44 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:02:49 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:03:00 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:03:05 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:03:16 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:03:21 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:03:32 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:03:38 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:03:49 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:03:54 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:04:05 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:04:10 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:04:21 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:04:26 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:04:37 AM System -80004 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:04:42 AM System -80000 n/a Tue 2012/11/27 08:04:59 AM System -80004 n/a

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Hi, Any ideas what this set of logged error messages means? Every 10-12 seconds I get a System -80000 or System -80004 Thanks, mark

It's a Signalinc 2406H mark

I found something interesting today that I thought I'd share. The technogeeks amongst us will probably understand why this is but it took me the better part of two hours to sort out. I use my ISY for most of my HA but I run homeseer with the mcsSprinklers plugin to control my irrigation system. I've thought of using an EZ-flora but I have 12 zones so I'd have to buy 2 of them and that's $$$ I have an A10 powerline coupler repeater to ensure that my X-10 signals get to my X10 based irrigation controler (16 zones - it occupies a full house code). Recently I moved my signalinc to the same circuit as the A10. I saw no problem with that but there sure was. I noticed today that my garden was VERY dry. I tried running my zones but none of them would turn on. The X-10 signal was showing in the ISY diagnostic window but the A10 tx/rx light wasn't flickering and the irrigation controller wasn't turning on. After a bunch of troubleshooting I disconnected the signalinc from the circuit. Shazam it all started working again. Turns out that you can't have a signalinc and an A10 coupler/repeater on the same circuit. The signalinc completely wipes out the X-10 signal. I have no idea why but I'm glad I stumbled into this without buying anything. mark

Thanks, Bob, I know what you mean about not making many changes once your system is stable. I was the same till recently when I did a reno and ended up changing a bunch of switches out. Then last month Smarthome put their custom engraved buttons on sale so I ordered a few sets in black along with black KPL's for my bedroom. I find the regular KPL's too bright at night. I have a few scenes that turn all the lights off in the house along with the KPL buttons associated with them. With nearly 200 devices in the house - multiply that by a factor of 2 or 3 for KPL buttons and the end result is a scene that could have several hundred links to write when I add or subtract a device. Whenever I mess with that particular scene it's an invitation for disaster - I get incomplete writes and multiple hangs of the ISY. It usually takes a few days of checking and rewriting devices till all is OK. I wasn't sure if that was just the way it is or if homeseer and in particular the ISY plugin for it might be causing part of the trouble.

I'm just wondering if anyone here has any insight into potential conflicts between homeseer and ISY. To clarify, I use ISY parallel to homeseer. I like homeseer for TTS voice announcements throughout the house as well as some of the great plugins available such as mcsSprinkler (which is an absolutely mindnumbing piece of sprinkler control software!). At present my biggest desire is to use HSTouch on wall mounted ipads and android devices to control my ISY scenes through the ISY Insteon plugin and HSTouch server plugins. I'm just curious if anyone has had issues with writing links to ISY devices while homeseer was connected to ISY. I'm not familiar with the method with which the two pieces of software communicate with one another so I'm keen to know if I should be disconnecting homeseer and its plugins before writing/changing link tables in ISY devices or if it doesn't matter. I've had a number of ISY crashes while writing links lately but they're usually related to scenes that involves dozens of links on dozens of controllers so I attribute the failures to the complexity of the writes. I've been shutting off homeseer to see if it makes a difference but it's so subjective that it's hard to tell. mark

So what devices do you think are the most in need of filterlincs? I have a few areas that I know to be weak. I've got quite a number of UPS's and computers in the house - 11 PC's and maybe 8 UPS's. I understand those to be problems for Insteon. There's a pool but I don't think there's a filterlinc style device which will handle the load of a 220v 20A pump. There's also a hot tub but again no filterlinc for 220v 15A. How about refrigerators and freezers? Plasma TV? Heat pump/AC? I've tried to keep large current drain devices such as pumps and refrigerators etc. on circuits that have no Insteon devices. Indeed I have one sub panel which does most of my media stuff and heating/air conditioning that I've got no Insteon on at all. But if these devices can deteriorate communication along circuits other than their own then I'm not sure if my efforts to isolate Insteon from other devices has been of any use. I'm trying not to allow this to become like the access point nightmare that plagues Insteon users just starting out. It seems that when people first get their Insteon network started they think that adding more and more access points will fix their problems when in fact that's not the case. I don't want to do the same thing with Filterlincs. mark

Sorry.. this post came up just as I made my last entry. ELA - I have a similar situation in my home as far as an oddball run. My recent changes are the end result of a substantial renovation. We gutted our kitchen, living room, dining area etc. While the drywall was out I ran new circuits for my lighting and outlets. All are home runs back to the panel - all are 14/2 and are all grounded properly. When I went around measuring the voltages at the outlets making a map of which outlets were on which breakers I noted that one line only measured 114V while the outlet right next to it measured the usual 117. Indeed all the outlets in the room measured 117 EXCEPT for that one which measured 114. All the runs were the same length within a few feet. I could literally see the wire running all the way back to the panel with no other loads on it so I knew there was no load that was causing this. I've not come up with a solution to why this is so but I speculate that the breaker on that line may not be making perfect contact. That or one of the conductors in the wire is damaged. My technical experience is in computer software and not in electrical engineering so I couldn't diagnose this if you delivered a pallet full of diagnostic equipment. Anyways - I just offer that up because your story reminded me of this. mark

Thanks for the responses. I think you misunderstood me, Lee, regarding the breakers. I wasn't implying that a breaker would block any kind of noise. What I was trying to say was that I see the house as a series of circuits all running in parallel. When a signal is injected into the line from the PLM it will follow along the circuit it's on and return to the panel where it will be distributed through the bus to all circuits in the home. With all circuits parallel to one another I couldn't see how a device on one circuit could matter to one on another as the PLM would have injected its message into the other circuit (indeed into ALL circuits) via the bus in the same manner that it got to the circuit in question. I guess I liken it to having 20 roads leading away from a central hub. Just because there's construction on one road shouldn't block you from driving down a different one. You may not be able to get to the houses at the end of the block where the construction is but there's no reason you shouldn't be able to get to all the houses on other blocks. If what ELA says is true - and there is some kind of resonant frequency or signal noise that a device generates - then all bets are off and the I can see how a device could have far reaching effects. But not so much as a signal 'sucker' but rather as a "global signal damager" if that makes sense. I'll go read your other posts ELA and see what you've been up to and measuring. mark

Right.. I'm familiar with how they're used. It's just the way I see the power flowing through the house makes me wonder how they perform. I see the power running through the house as a bunch of loops which all emanate from the panel. In each loop the power flows out from the bus through a breaker, through any devices on that circuit, and back to where neutral and ground peacefully coexist at the panel. Each loop should really be its own 'entity' with the only common spot being the bus. If that is the case (and I hope so as it's fundamental to my understanding of the circuits in my house) then I can see the function of a filterlinc only in the context of it preventing random device noise that looks/acts like Insteon messages from returning to the panel and distributing throughout the hosue. The notion of it preventing a device from being a 'signal sucker' only makes sense as it relates to devices downstream from the sucker on the same loop. The Insteon messages from devices on different loops (circuits) should be unaffected in strength by a device down either one. So this is why I'm curious as to how a filterlinc can act to strengthen an entire network. If it's acting to prevent noise injection by some devices then OK - I can see that. But preventing a device from 'absorbing' the signal only makes sense to me within one circuit. mark

Have you used your diagnostic tool to verify the difference between before and after installing a filterlinc? Does the filterlinc affect solely devices on the same breaker as it's installed or will it make a system-wide difference? I suppose that would depend on how many other Insteon devices are on the network repeating the messages. I guess what I'm getting at is if you had an LCD TV and Sat receiver on a home run would a filterlinc still make a difference to overall system message quality? mark

Well, you see, now there's another little 'rub' that got me a few years back. I'd initially purchased quite a few boosterlincs to augment my x-10 signal. Turns out those were not insteon-friendly. Of course the fine people at Smarthome now make a new boosterlinc that IS insteon friendly. That's great but it doesn't do much for the coupla hundred dollars worth of boosterlincs I can't use. I know that being on the bleeding edge can be an expensive place to stand but one does become 'gun shy' after a few thousand dollars. mark

Well, I guess what it comes down to for me, oberkc, is a reluctance to spend any money on filters. Having had a very large X-10 installation which I've only recently completed switching over to Insteon I'm far from convinced of the efficacy of filters. Despite signal bridges, amplifiers, filters and boosters my X-10 installation never worked to my satisfaction. I have a huge collection - over 200 or so X-10 devices - all sitting in a box - all worthless - as a reminder of my days of throwing money at the problem. In my particular case I was able to simply route the power source to the switchlinc from a different breaker. That resolved the problem instantly. There were numerous other devices on the first circuit that I was using but at over $30 per filter I'm not inclined to dump a few hundred dollars into this problem when an hour or so of rewiring has the desired effect. Of course each person's situation is different and in my case this was the most direct approach. YMMV. mark

Well, my problem is now resolved. First off, thanks, ELA for posting those traces. That's useful information to keep in mind while troubleshooting. I disconnected the LED's and connected a standard incandescent bulb to the switch as a test. As the insteon device was a switchlinc I didn't expect this to make a difference but Insteon has taken me by surprise on more than one occasion. There was no difference in the lag with an incandescent bulb attached. I also noted that ISY was having difficulty querying this device. I then disconnected the switchlinc from the circuit it was on and connected it to a different circuit. The lag immediately went away and query worked as expected. So... the long and the short of it is that the circuit it was on seems to have some communications difficulty. In this case it was an easy fix as it was in my media closet not 18" from the panel so it was a simple task to switch it around. I could see this being a royal PITA were this somewhere else in the house, though. I do have other areas in the house that cause me difficulty and will keep this experience in mind as I troubleshoot. It's a shame there's no easy way to connect a device somewhere in the house and diagnose Insteon connection difficulties. Between faulty insteon devices, poor communication areas, poor signal bridging, and the occasional lapse in programming/understanding it can get to be pretty time-consuming to find a problem that might not even be something that can be fixed. Thanks for the help, mark

Thanks, Mike, I can try doing that - I can simply disconnect the LED transformers (4 of them) temporarily and hook up a trouble light. I've got a charity golf tournament to go to today and tomorrow (I love summer!) but will try and do that tomorrow eve and post back. Thanks for the input, mark