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of course i win you might try reading the random links i post - might learn what a protocol is - or how to see a 'router' constraint

and that is important enough to me to drop zwave from consideration - for lighting scenes

i have installed 600 billion - if that matters i don't do this for a livelihood - i'm a nerd your experience might work for you - understanding the concepts works for me - might work for others if you'd stop bashing us i understand the concepts of the internal combustion engine - can work on them a bit too - don't need to understand the concept to drive a car though you can drive - that is all - which is ok for setting up devices like you do - but you do NOT understand communication basics - if something is causing a communication problem, you can only guess why you have no idea of if wifi is constrained - and certainly never prove what the problem is - but you would probably drop jargon and sell a customer more devices - 'read it on a forum' like others, i am looking for a replacement for insteon - to make that decision, i need to understand the concepts and market direction and capabilities of each solution - limitations - cost - migration path - cost i read - not just copy and paste - others might read too - i doubt that is you (your analogies are even lame - trumped you there too - only needed one lane)

and - have something like a receptacle... sigh

and would never use ra2 - or ra3 until it can support more than 200 devices

what i posted above do that and many other scenes with zwave - insteon did - lutron does i don't dislike zwave - or married to lutron - scenes are important to me - as far as i know, zwave can't do what i want

you might snipe at others from behind your keyboard on this forum and get by without a response - i will respond so you can vomit up how many people you have helped yet again i know i am not the big fish in this pond and i understand that this pond is important to you i also understand that most here do not want to discuss concepts - especially you because you do not understand them - you can't ignore a thread i created to discuss wifi and its use for home automation - you could not ignore that thread - but felt compelled to bring in your snark you are not as smart as you think you are - as revealed by what you post - and your language is off-putting if not offensive this will run you off - what is the constraint in using wifi for home automation - post the resource utilization for us

2.4 is NOT a protocol

zwave do this instantly and simultaneously?

its not bad 2.4 reaches farther than higher frequencies - higher frequencies are faster transferring data generally, lower frequencies penetrate better

2.4 is the rf frequency - nothing says it has to be wifi protocol while lutron can use that frequency, that does not mean its wifi protocol - i suspect its not - its their 'clear channel' generally, wifi repeaters are not the correct answer - unless its to extend the signal wifi access points are the answer to most problems a repeater STILL sends traffic through the access point it is connected to home access points are not some huge technical feat only a nerd can set up - most homes need good wifi coverage for devices other than homeautomation - just be aware that if you want to 'roam' between access points in your home, you will need a controller of some type to accommodate the handoffs between access points probably need good home wifi already - its a no brainer to use it for home automation (though dealers can't make more money saying 'robust' and 'add more') i agree that reducing single points of failure is always a good thing - as i understand insteon, the traffic does not have a path the packet must traverse - if one device dies, most likely another device will pass along the packet - with zwave (way outta my league here), the route is set at setup or until some kinda 'heal' process is initiated - the new 700 standard might have addressed that

Autelis - bummer that it went away The Lutron integration protocol will allow third-party equipment, such as touch-screens, universal remote controls, and software applications, to control and monitor devices in a Lutron lighting control system. The protocol supports three basic types of integration operations: • Execute an action in the Lutron system • Query the status of the Lutron system and Lutron devices • Monitor responses from the Lutron system Integration Access Points communicate with external systems using RS232, Ethernet or both. The Lutron integration protocol will allow third-party equipment, such as touch-screens, keypads, and software applications, to control and monitor devices in the Lutron lighting control system through an Integration Access Point. For more information, check the page specific to the Integration Access Point being used. An example of an Integration Access Point is the QS Network Interface (QSE-CI-NWK-E). For a listing of all the available Integration Access Points supported by a particular system, see the Integration Access Points section for that system in the table of contents. start coding

um - dealer only - sealer - jeez

https://www.lutron.com/en-US/Residential-Commercial-Solutions/Pages/Residential-Solutions/WholeHomeSolutions.aspx also - not listed on that page - is https://radiora3.lutron.com/us/en as i understand it, radiora3 and homeworks are sealer only - you can either take their courses to get certified or find a dealer that will sell to you (though probably not kosher with lutron) its a maze to understand the components that are compatible - lutron's radio (clear connect) as i understand it can be 2 types - a or x - different radio frequencies - but if you go with x, its like 2.4 ghz - from lutron "Type X and Type A are terms that are coupled with Lutron's Clear Connect Wireless protocol. Type A refers to devices that communicate using 431 to 437 MHz whereas Type X uses 2.4 to 2.48 GHz. RadioRA 3 utilizes both of these protocols in order to provide flexibility. The most important aspect is less the Type and frequency and more just remembering the key device rules. seeTouch, Maestro, Pico Wireless, Radio Powr Savr sensors, and wireless window treatments should all be placed within 30ft of the processor or a Repeater and Repeaters should be placed no further than 60ft apart from each other. Sunnata keypads, dimmers and switches utilize more of a mesh topology and should be placed using the following key rules: 1. all Sunnata devices within 75ft of the processor 2. at least 2 Sunnata devices within 25ft of the processor 3. at least 2 Sunnata devices within 25ft of other Sunnata devices" not sure if there is a polisy node yet for anything lutron but the specs are public https://www.lutron.com/TechnicalDocumentLibrary/040249.pdf until competing standards shake themselves out, its pick a hole and jump on it - lutron has some integration with other devices but my elk security system is not one of them - some stuff (like roomba) i don't need - but the beauty of polisy is the integration of most anything that someone can develop a node for (assuming its legit) and make those resources interact with other unrelated resources - with most 'solutions', you can only relate disparate resoutces the manufacturer had integrated with lutron is expensive but it works - from a dealer post - "The common complaint I see here is that iTs NoT aN oPeN sYsTeM - which to me just means that you have some limitations to work with. You have to use Lutron products and can’t sub in random switches or other controls. I like that the system as a whole is easy to setup, maintain, and forget about. It’s all self contained and when I sell my house, I don’t have to rip everything out because it’s held together with shoestrings and raspberry pi. "That all said - it’s expensive. I get a discount cause I’m a dealer and it’s still really expensive. But like another poster said, it’s a Cadillac where other systems are a little more back catalog go-cart"

and i posted the first removed 2 brain tumors today - stopped and served lunch at the soup kitchen - rescued a drowning 2 year old and climbed a tree to help a stranded cat now to help you - read your posts objectively got to run - an old lady needs help crossing the road

i had the first alert with smoke bridge - liked that all of them announced the location dumped that for the first alert zcombo - which do not announce the location - so i have all the echo devices announce the location - and send me a text from the isy - and do some lighting stuff i do have elk so i will some day look into changing again

writing effective documentation is not a strength of most nerds - you need to put yourself in the position of your audience - and the audience here can be an experienced nerd or a casual user nerds generally skip steps - quite innocently - because its not easy to not know what you already know (worked for rumsfeld)

not sure it matters - but were the devices added to the isy before or after installing 5.3.4?

if you have the elk security module... i hardwired a bosch to my elk security system

arrived about 2 weeks ago - got 3 of them in a bay window the 4 v2 devices i have never miss a beat - these are my only zwave devices other than the 3 repeaters i have (the ones iblinds recommends)

for the iblinds device? not sure - it is the new v3 model that he just got in - and i am not sure if the firmware can be updated for the isy, i just updated to 5.2.0 thinking it might help

got 3 of the new iblinds devices - v3 - not having much luck with them - the v2 devices work great i suspect the s2 security might be causing the problem - looks like the isy does not support that - the new devices use '700' instead of '500' (which is in my isy) - i assume its backward compatible but could be wrong i was thinking that there is a zwave parameter that would tell the blinds to not use s2 - but cannot find any info on the parameters anyone tried the new ones?

thanks for the replies for the lighting - all the controllers will be insteon - one dimmer to control the z-wave led 'controller' and a few insteon controllers that are part of a room scene - hopefully it will behave if alexa sets the scene on the blinds - alexa can 'open and close' the blinds - i don't have plans for any insteon controllers right now - the 3 for the bay window - i will have a program to open and close - have to figure out how to have alexa trigger that - my plan is to open and close daily at sunrise and sunset since i do not have the blind yet, i have not experimented with setting how far 'open' is - the iblind installed as binary and multilevel switch - hopefully that will set the open amount as the default lutron does an excellent job of synchronizing their blinds but the cost is prohibitive and the interface to alexa and everything else is not clear in my mind - i will stage the opening and closing with iblinds but if one of the 3 blinds is open a little more than the others, that is going to drive me nuts - just not nuts enough to pay for the lutron blinds

oh - on 5.0.14a - and on the polygluttonous thing with a few things - ring - sonos - ecobee