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Ok wasn’t sure if the node info was in the same order on the new port. The only thing I can think of that might be different about my confit is I used the IP address in the config and not the hostname.

I verified mine updates according to the polling interval too. One thing I did at first @btreinderswas I was looking at the "Mute" being "Off". At a glance it looked like my Denon was off when it was on. Its on the left hand side of the AC, and the power is on the right hand side.

I would very much consider a VPN vs port forwarding rule. It's a little more effort but eliminates the risk. I thought port 3000 might be an obscure port and "fly under the radar" but my search shows its a Bit-Torrent port on the open internet, so that might make your router a little more attractive for random hackers. I would actually recommend to not open any port on your firewall inbound.

Very much agreed. I saw this about Z-Wave after posting my previous response. One thing to keep in mind Z-Wave is not the answer to all your problems. You may want to read some threads on the forum about Z-Wave, there is some good, and some bad and make up your own mind if want to rush or wait on EISY. I think for a long term ISY/Insteon user you might find Z-Wave frustrating as there are some nuances with Z-Wave. As far as upgrading to Polisy vs EISY(soon to be available), there is no OTA firmware upgrade for Z-Wave on Polisy. That is one capability Michel has mentioned will be available in EISY. Another thing to consider with EISY is it will have Matter support(I am still on the fence about Matter as I want to see what it will do, but the EISY will have the best of all worlds.) Since there is a lot going here, here's a summary of the recommendations: -Stay on your current firmware of ISY(I trust Geddy on this) -Research Z-Wave on the UDI forums -Wait for EISY and contact UDI support about your upgrade path and requirements for what you have now -Wait for Insteon hardware availability for short term needs or shorter term needs buy used on eBay(some prices are starting to come down) I think your linchpin is your 32 bit applications and I understand that. One thing I will consider a WIN for UDI and Java, is the Admin Console worked on my MacBook with M1 chip. I wasn't locked to an older OS or chipset. There are a lot of complaints about Java here in the forums, but it seems to be the least of the issue here compared to the 32 bit applications you need. The fact my Admin Console ran with no headaches on Mac M1, thats a win in my book.

Very much agreed with this @CPeterson If no issues definitely wait. Let me know if you need help with trying to get the admin.jnlp directly from the ISY, but instructions above from Geddy should be all you need. Im not sure on if you will be better prepared. I am not familiar with the upgrade paths. One thing to note is UDI is coming out with the EISY....It will be the newer version of the hardware with Matter support. It might be worth opening a ticket with UDI support about your upgrade path to EISY. Unless you need a newer version or UDI support recommends the upgrade, I would say "if its fixed dont break it", only because you have other dependencies for your device. From what I can tell the Start.jnlp has to connect to UDI, so you need internet and launching the Admin Console may just be taking longer on the ISY. The admin.jnlp should fix that. Thank you for mentioning this, I had forgotten that about the specific version. Im guessing the M1 chip isn't making this any easier. I can confirm the Polisy with Java works on my MacBook Pro with M1 chip if anyone needs to know. Im not sure I would update just yet, unless you really need to. I just saw this reply as I was typing everything else above. Geddy is the best, thank you for the ISY info!!

Sounds like the summary is you got your Java updated, but the ISY Finder won't launch on the version of Mac OS you are on. I looked it up the Mac OS version you are on and it was originally released in 2017. I totally understand the dependency on the older version of Mac OS since you have programs that depend on it. I would think eventually you will have other issues with other programs on this version of MacOS. As far as missing out I don't think so, it just sounds like you are failing a version check in the ISY Finder that is not in the Start.jnlp. Until recently I was running the Start.jnlp instead of ISY Finder, because of some confusion on my part and both ways of launching showed the same interface. I am on a different hardware and version as I'm on Polisy and v5.4.4 @Geddy is there any difference in the Admin Console whether it launches from ISY Finder or Start on the ISY? @CPeterson I think ultimately you will have to make some decision about upgrading your Mac and how to use the programs you need, but you don't have to solve that today. I can imagine issues like this may creep up with other applications and possible web browsers.

Can you check your Java version again? I wonder if it actually updated when you saw the rotating circle. I have updated Java once on my Mac since getting my Polisy. I have gotten the rotating circle a few times with Java, but not frequently and I don't remember any issues with upgrading. I was launching my Admin Console every time with the Start.jnlp until working with Geddy a little bit and getting a better understanding. You Should have an icon on your desktop now "ISY Launcher", if it works the same as it does with Polisy. This is how I launch now and should be faster. There are some ways to remove Java, but I don't think you need to try that until you verify again what version of Java you are on, just in case it has been upgraded in the background of the other issues. Since Im not a long term UDI/ISY user, I would be hesitant upgrading the ISY until the Java issue is resolved and updated. I would think you want to be on the latest version of Java first.

@Bumbershootand @Hoosier Daddyare right on. Adding https://forum.universal-devices.com won't help unfortunately, but you could try adding the IP address of your ISY device. Edit: Info added, nothing above changed. I went back reread your post. Adding the IP address will not help at this point, until you can run the Start.JNLP. Making the change suggested above(in the (Security and Privacy Settings) should help. Here is a screenshot of the Setting mentioned above.

I'm guessing your question about how often is related to time??? As I understand the manual of the device is it reports when the lighting changes by a certain percent not at time intervals. By default this should report when a 10% change occurs as you mentioned. It looks like you can set this sensor to report from 5-50% by changing the parameter. The Zooz Zen 32 is closest I have found. I don't have any experience with Z-Wave outdoor rated sensors, but if I were to try one I would try Zooz.

I was just about to reply as well with a screen shot of setting it up in a program when I saw @lilyoyo1 response. I'm glad he did cause he is a Z-Wave Guru! I tried to add it as a controller to a scene test, but it will only add as a responder. I was thinking it would be difficult to do with a scene since this shows up a multi-level sensor in my Polisy. Hopefully this will help a bit to see what it would it look like in a program.

@MrBillis the master troubleshooter and I love following along when he is helping. I do like to clarify a bit and be sure I understand and especially for others that may read later. The biggest problem with random problems is they are random. If I can duplicate it I can usually fix it is something I heard said once. These are 4 things that you could try to help clarify what may be happening. If Mr Bill comes back with conflicting advice to mine take his!! I would! I think I read he is offline a lot at night in another post, so trying to give you some "homework" that may help. What I wasn't clear on if you get the notification when the iRobot is actually stuck. Do you get the notifications when the iRobot is stuck? 1) Change or add items to the Then statements as (Mr Bill Recommended). I usually choose a variable and increment it by one to get a count, but since there is a question about the variables, I think something like a light like Mr Bill suggested is a better option. I have used the Virtual Switch Node Server here too it will eliminate you missing the light or someone in the house turning it off before you notice. 2) Change your notification message on the Then statement to send to a Network Resource to the API if using Pushover. Then you can tell if its this Program or Something else triggering it. You can either send the Network Resource to the Pushover API or the API on the Node Server. (The node server will retry if there is an error where a Network Resource to Pushover is one time send with no retry if there is an error) 3) If there actually is a problem with being notified when the iRobot is stuck, try changing the variable if possible manually on the IFTTT site(I assume this possible, but I don't use IFTTT). If not skip this step. 4) Disable the Program if the messages happen frequently enough and see if you still get them while the Program is disabled. Edit(info added): If you do get messages and you have done #4 look at the Programs Summary View and see what Programs ran when you got the message. It might be helpful to get some screenshots too. If you ARE getting messages when the iRobot is stuck, but also getting random messages when it is not, I think what Mr Bill says below is correct and you need to look at other places where you are using the Notifications. #4 will help you here. When I had the wrong message last night I was pretty sure I had gotten the right options like you have in your program, but I was getting the wrong message. It was probably operator error(me), but the Network Resources are more absolute. I am also on Polisy using the Notification Node Server. One last question to think about. Was this ever working and what changed since it stopped? I know this is not a solution, but hopefully this will help gather more information. If you need help with the Network Resource set up, PM and we can keep the post focused on the random issues.

@btreindersThis is exactly the problem I was having last night when testing something. I switched to a dedicated Network Resource call to the Pushover API to help narrow down if it was program I was testing or another one. One other thing to clarify. Is the iRobot actually getting stuck? Or is that what you mean by random messages?

You could try setting the variable manually to 1 to be sure it triggers the notification and make sure the Program runs, but your suspicions of the variable not getting set because of the time stamp above sounds right.

@Dave-N1DCHAs you can see from our posts the Z-Wave secondary controller topic is confusing and that’s why I think we both want to see the article. I haven’t found anything good about and thought I would share a picture of my Qolsys where it shows it will shift to being secondary but it will NOT! Great news! Thank you for keeping us in the loop!

@lilyoyo1I was answering the statement about Polisy Supporting S2 Encryption to get the locks to show up in Polisy. To be clear the locks were added to the Qolsys, Polisy was the secondary controller for Z-Wave, then I had to add the locks to include them in the Polisy. They were added securely to both controllers as fas as I could tell. I see now after your reply you were talking about Polisy being Primary. Wanted to be clear for anyone that may read this in the future. I'm following you now. Ultimately, I'm not sure I want my security and automation tied so closely. I mainly wanted to see lock status to help with occupancy based automations. I remember initially when you posted this you had a contact at Qolsys so I mentioned Qolsys here. As always I appreciate your insight and answers. This thread was one of my threads I used when doing research for what my next move was when my Hub light went red and when I was experimenting with the secondary controllers. Very helpful info! One last note, Qolsys does show an option in the advanced features to make it the secondary controller, but I had to enable to Advanced Z-Wave features to see this, but it does not work. An Alarm.com partner had a post explaining that Qolsys will not work as secondary after talking with Qolsys support. Have an option in the menu that does not work makes the Qolsys product a little more confusing in that regard albeit it limited with Z-Wave imho. It makes total sense to me alarm panels stay primary with Z-Wave, it just wasn't a good fit for what I wanted.

My locks did show up. They were added as encrypted because when they failed to add securely I got forced to add them again. I'm using Kwikset. I did have to take a couple of locks off the door to get them closer to the controller, consistently get the lock to add securely. I guess I added them with S0. I havent looked at my Qolsys version. I was also able to see the locks on Apple Home through the Home Assistant, Home Kit integration(screenshot is from the orphaned config I havent removed yet). I was also forced to add each lock separately in HA, as I understood it because the locks needed their own integration for security.

I would be interested as well. I recently tried adding my Polisy as a Secondary because my Qolsy wouldn't add as secondary. What I read was that controllers are inconsistent to how different manufactures make them to work with each other. Several other articles mentioned their controllers worked better as primary. I wanted to see my lock and thermostat status from my POLISY that are connected to my Qolsys. I really like my Qolsys, but it is limited on what devices it supports, and I don't like how the automations are handled on the backend. Ultimately it limited my POLISY's Z-Wave capabilities because I couldn't add devices to my Z-Wave network that Qolsys didn't recognize. I don't have much technical understanding about Z-Wave like @lilyoyo1, but have learned a lot from his posts. Based of his info and my experience I don't think I would try it again. Side note. Supposedly I can get some info over MQTT but I haven't attempted that, as its a little over my head for now. I can see status in my Alarm.com app and use Siri voice control for my locks. I just cant automate off those states with anything in POLISY. It's a limitation I can live without for now.

Thats great! Really cool picture too!

EDIT: Order this not what I posted originally. This link is based off @Brian H post below. Searching Amazon seems to give inconsistent results. When searching just the battery number like I did originally I could only find something close. Searching "LiPo 302545" gets the right battery linked below. I verified 302545 matches the battery I removed from the remote. Order this: https://a.co/d/0PVYmo7 Don't order this below in my original post. 3.7V 150mAh 302530 Lipo Battery Rechargeable Lithium Polymer ion Battery Pack with JST Connector https://a.co/d/aF8tM92 I can confirm this battery fits in the case. It’s a little smaller but about the same thickness as the original battery. It is less mah…the original is 300 mah. So would have half the capacity. I can’t confirm my repair process is the best because ultimately I broke all 4 clips. I tried to scrap and cut the glue seal but it seemed the glue was underneath the clips too. I cleaned up what was left of the clips off the case. Soldered in the new battery. Used E6000 glue on top of my solder to help insulate and keep stress of the solder points. Also used E6000 glue on the case to hold it back together. I’m waiting for it to set now. I pushed the glue into the cracks with my fingers and then wiped the excess off. I have a couple of small wood working clamps lightly keeping the case in position together as the glue dries. I have only opened 2 of these but this one had a button arrangement under it that could be for the 4/8 way scene. The other one just had enough to be the single switch. So I definitely have 2 revisions but the clips on both mine I opened so far broke.

I love these tidbits that I pick up on these posts about how to repair something like this and love that I know what a tape deck is!! Glue would definitely explain the inconsistent experience between your 3 and the 4th one and what I saw. Ironically only 1 of my clips seemed to where I could get it to come open. The other 3 were tight. I tried using small plastic pry tools and then small electronics flat head screw driver and could only break one seal. But getting confirmation from you and lilyoyo1 I can try to change my approach. Any tips on breaking glue would be appreciated. I hope Insteon updates this design in the future to make it more field serviceable….I think the corporate buzz phrase is “sustainable design”🤣 Where I don’t need a direct link like Insteon I have already moved to A Zooz device that is similar but has a standard CR2032 replaceable battery and the case opens and closes securely.

Thank you I was starting to suspect that but I couldn't see it really well. I was able to get one pried off but only after I broke the seal. The others I was trying to use a sharp flathead screw driver to break the glue seal. I wasnt sure if OP had actually gotten all 3 off that easily.

Am I understanding you did get it open and only 1 of the 4 clips broke? I have one sitting here and my desk too with a small screwdriver and it looks like it would break like the other one I worked on. It looks like it should come apart, but it doesnt seem to want to budge. I used some plastic tools made for opening screw less cases and couldn't make any head way either.... Just wanting to confirm 3 did not break and are still intact after opening.

Did you get it open? My experience was I broke all 4 clips. All 4 looked like thin, but attached to both larger pieces of the switch housing. I did experiment with a repair of cutting off the broken tabs with a small serrated blade and using a small layer of E6000 glue....Im not sold on this method. I have 3 that I need to replace the battery.

I have read a thread where it is supported in Polisy but not consistently with all devices and confirm it does with my Zooz hardware. I tried this week with Zooz gear and could get it to work with the Polisy off, but it was slow....very slow. And I dont mean a 500 ms slow....Like 10 seconds...Made me think at first it wasn't working. When I powered back up the Polisy it was instant. If this is expected behavior I cant recommend it. I used Basic Scene Ctl 2 on both the responder and the controller. Then used the option selected below "Z-Wave Basic MC" I don't understand the protocol enough to know if I did something wrong or if the slow speed was just how it works...but the controller was 10 feet from the responder. This wasn't a permanent setup, and mainly wanted to test the functionality so I removed the devices from the test scene. I was using a Zooz: Zen71(controller) and Zen77(responder) For the cost of the materials, personally I would recommend "wire in the wall". It would give a real 3 way if you need it and options later. Zooz also has direct wire 3 way switches that only need to replace one switch. The Zooz Zen 77 can do this and there is a non-dimmer version that can work with dumb 3-way switches as well. The dumb switch just cant change the brightness like the Z-Wave

@MrBill Thank you. I like that idea. I trying to not let my exploration of the capabilities hinder future manageability, so I appreciate you tell me that its working well for you. So many power features. Now I have to find some good PNG files 😀. Thank you for the other ideas as well, I am still learning the best way to send them. I have used the NR based on another thread I read where you recommending sending them to the NS instead of the PO api since Jimbo NS will retry. No problem at all I'm sure I couldn't afford real time support 😂 Thank you following up and let me know if you find a way to have a subject with the Custom Notification please let me know. Otherwise there are enough options there for great functionality and give me what I need. I do appreciate your time and effort in responding!!