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I'm new to the ISY but have an extensive X10 installation. Just getting started with Insteon. I had no grouping capability in my previous controller. The ISY99i is new to me so I am just getting my feet wet. In the ISY I have Garage and House. Under House I have interior and exterior folders. Under interior I have 1st floor, 2nd floor and basement. I just added Theater as well. So I am beginning to stray a bit from the floors format. As others have said there are programs and devices that aren't exclusive to one area of the house and I just leave them on their own for now. The problem I am seeing with so many groupings is that I have a lot of buttons to press on my iPhone (using Mobilinc). I'll see how it goes from here. I may try to back off on the folders. Curious to hear about other methods.

Hi Lee, Thank you so much for your help! I really appreciate it! I don't know if I am doing things correctly but it seems to work now. I don't do much programming, so my programs may be a bit crude. Does this sound like the right way to control the KPL LEDs? I have 6 lighting programs for my theater. All 6 programs control the same lights. I listed two of the six programs in my first post, refer to that if you want to see my program structure. Each program sets the lights to different levels. The sixth one turns everything off. I want the LED on the 6 button KPL to reflect the last scene selected. So for example, if I press a key on the KPL or use my Mobilinc or the Admin Console to activate a program, I want that button on the KPL to be the only "bright" button. I want all other buttons turned off (I define OFF as brightness 1, very dim). From what I have read on this forum, the only way to control the LEDs on a KPL is to create a scene for each KPL button. Then those scenes can be called within a program and set to ON or OFF. I created 5 "Main KPL button scenes". I called them: 'Theater Main KPL button 1' 'Theater Main KPL button A' 'Theater Main KPL button B' 'Theater Main KPL button C' 'Theater Main KPL button D' For each button scene listed above, I dragged the corresponding Theater Main KPL Button "line" (what is that called anyway, a device?) into it's corresponding scene (button 1 into scene button 1 etc). This is where the ISY prompts for Responder (default) or Controller/Responder. This is where I failed to set it to Controller and why my buttons quit working. My fix was to delete all the buttons from the keypad scenes and re-drag them into the scenes so I could change them to Controllers. (That's the only way I know of to change them from Responders to Controllers). I did this for all 5 KPL button scenes. In my programs, I list all five button scenes and either turn them ON or OFF. Am I doing this correctly? Takes a little while to step through all the scenes but it works. Edit: I just found the wiki for the KPL. It describes mutually exclusive button control. Maybe this is what I want instead of the button scenes? Maybe controlling button LEDs using scenes is no longer neccessary? Is this a new cabability provided by Universal Devices and/or Smarthome? Per your suggesetion, I'll check my back ups this evening. I have been making back ups every so often and I made quite a few last night as I tried to fix the problem. If I understand correctly, I should back up the ISY then restore the ISY with the back up I just made. If the ISY runs OK then I am good to go, correct?

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. I discovered the problem as I was trying to streamline my scenes for turning the LEDs on and off. I have a scene for each of the KPL buttons so I can turn the LEDs on or off from within each Theater lighting program. As I added each keypad button to it's corresponding keypad button scene I failed to change it from the default as a responder to a controller/responder. So when my program called those key button scenes to either turn the LED on or off it was also changing the button from controller/responder to responder, Thus the buttons could no longer send a command. I imagine button C was the first program I tried and it set all other buttons but itself as responders. I would have thought it would have set itself as a responder too but I guess I'll not worry about that. I rebuilt my keypad button scenes so the buttons remained controller/responders. The KPL works just fine now. I'm a happy camper! Lee, thanks for your help. You taught me a few things about the ISY. There was no way for you to see what was going on within my keypad button scenes. I have to remember to pay attention to devices that can be both controllers and responders. Rookie mistake.

What about resetting the KPL to factory default settings?

During Modem restore I got this pop up: Error [-110012] Couldn't open config file to read [/CONF/FF0401.REC] [-110022] Couldn't open file [/CONF/FF0401.REC] Still no luck. Only button C works. My Insteon devices are all new within the last two weeks. Three dual mode lamp modules, four SwitchLincs and one KPL. So far no problems other than this KPL. This KPL is controlling the same switchlinc switches so I wouldn't think there is a Insteon network problem. The KPL was working at one time but now only button C works. Edit: Also I can see the keypad button LEDs change (turn on or off) as I execute the "Then" portion of my programs, so I think that means Insteon communications are acceptable. Just seems to be the switch somehow got set to not send key press data over the network. /edit What about the "button grouping" window for the KPL? I don't know what that should look like. The matrix has a column for each button. None of the boxes are checked under any of the columns.[/img]

Lee, Thanks for the reply. The event viewer shows a lot of activity when the working button (scene C) is pressed but shows nothing for the other buttons. So I did as you suggested, selected the primary button and chose Restore Device. I saw a lot of activity in the event viewer as the device was restored, but unfortunately it didn't fix the problem. I tried twice and even closed the ISY admin console and restarted it, but the viewer still shows no activity for all buttons except button "Scene C". Any other suggestions? Todd

I am new to Insteon and the ISY 99. I was setting up scenes for my home theater and installed a KeyPadLinc 6 button dimmable switch 2486D. In ISY I set up two scenes and created two programs. Although they weren't working to perfection I could press the ON button and get a response (button 1 scene) and press the Scene C button and get a response (button C scene). But as many of you know the button LED states did not operate as expected. I messed around for a while with button grouping but have no idea if I did anything. ISY warns not to do anything from that menu but maybe I did something (?). Further reading lead me to the solution of creating a scene for each button and calling those scenes to turn the LEDs on or off. I only want the LED of the current active lighting scene to be on, all others I want off. That all works well thanks to this forum. But I must have done something wrong. Now the only button on the KeyPadLinc that will initiate a program is Scene C. The other buttons light up when locally pressed but ISY must not be seeing them turn on because nothing happens. So I thought I would try to get the other buttons working so I added scenes/programs for buttons A and B but they don't work either. I can run the THEN portion of the programs and the lights will respond and the LEDs will now do as I wish. I can also run the THEN command from MobiLinc and that works too. I may have done something in the button grouping area for the KeyPadLinc but I'm not really sure. The scenes are almost identical so it must be something within the KPL that is not sending out a button press for the other keys. Anyone have any idea what I need to do? Buttons are set to Non-toggle [ON]. Button 1 program: If Control 'House / Interior / Theater / Theater Main KPL.1' is switched On Then Set Scene 'Theater House Lights' On Set Scene 'Theater Main KPL button A' Off Set Scene 'Theater Main KPL button B' Off Set Scene 'Theater Main KPL button C' Off Set Scene 'Theater Main KPL button D' Off Set Scene 'Theater Main KPL button 1' On Send X10 'O1' Send X10 'O/Preset Dim (12)' Send X10 'O2' Send X10 'D/Preset Dim (12)' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Button C program: If Control 'House / Interior / Theater / Theater Main KPL.C' is switched On Then Set Scene 'Theater Intermission' On Set Scene 'Theater Main KPL button 1' Off Set Scene 'Theater Main KPL button A' Off Set Scene 'Theater Main KPL button B' Off Set Scene 'Theater Main KPL button D' Off Set Scene 'Theater Main KPL button C' On Send X10 'O1' Send X10 'O/Preset Dim (12)' Send X10 'O2' Send X10 'D/Preset Dim (12)' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Scenes "Theater House Lights" and "Theater Intermission" set the same set of 4 Insteon SwitchLincs to different levels.