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Hi Wes, I am long time Mobilelinc customer, and currently have HD set up on several devices. I also use the ISY portal. What is the advantage of switching to X? Currently I don't have any issues with HD. All is working just fine. thanks. Doug

DualBandAid and others.......Update to efforts above: Success but with some trials and learnings about the Phillips bulbs 1) for some reason my Hub user name would not appear no matter what combination / effort i made. When I was about to give up, i tried it in a new browser window exactly as in the directions and voila, it worked.. don't know why. 2) found i couldn't get the lights to the right color. It appears i have two downward bulb that use an additional or in place of(?) parameter of "xy" for the color. Once I added that to my resource body, the color changed correctly. -New Resource looks like this: {"on":true, "bri":39, "sat":65202, "hue":254, "xy": [0.6817,0.3036], "transitiontime":5} After running the above resource via TEST, the GET command from debugger shows the following and the light shows the right color. Interesting to note that the numbers don't match exactly. "state": { "on": true, "bri": 39, "hue": 65203, "sat": 254, "effect": "none", "xy": [ 0.6818, 0.3036 ], "ct": 153, "alert": "select", "colormode": "xy", "mode": "homeautomation", "reachable": true }, Notice it says in the GET --> "colormode": "xy". The Does anyone know what "ct" is? On a different bulb, the GET info says "color mode": "hs", which i assume means Hue, Saturation and therefore the original directions would have worked. This may be worth an add to the original directions. For those interested, here is the rest of the GET info from first bulb: "swupdate": { "state": "noupdates", "lastinstall": "2018-12-07T19:04:07" }, "type": "Extended color light", "name": "Dougs reading light", "modelid": "LCT011", "manufacturername": "Philips", "productname": "Hue color downlight", "capabilities": { "certified": true, "control": { "mindimlevel": 2000, "maxlumen": 650, "colorgamuttype": "C", "colorgamut": [ [ 0.6915, 0.3083 ], [ 0.17, 0.7 ], [ 0.1532, 0.0475 ] ], "ct": { "min": 153, "max": 500 } }, "streaming": { "renderer": true, "proxy": true } }, "config": { "archetype": "floodbulb", "function": "mixed", "direction": "downwards", "startup": { "mode": "safety", "configured": true } }, "uniqueid": "00:17:88:01:02:aa:ba:5f-0b", "swversion": "1.46.13_r26312", "swconfigid": "E6785CC3", "productid": "Philips-LCT011-1-BR30ECLv1" Here is the complete GET Info from a standard Phillips bulb where the colormode is "hs". and where the original directions in this forum work. { "state": { "on": true, "bri": 254, "hue": 255, "sat": 254, "effect": "none", "xy": [ 0.6863, 0.3122 ], "ct": 153, "alert": "none", "colormode": "hs", "mode": "homeautomation", "reachable": true }, "swupdate": { "state": "noupdates", "lastinstall": "2018-12-07T19:04:12" }, "type": "Extended color light", "name": "Great room lamp", "modelid": "LCT016", "manufacturername": "Philips", "productname": "Hue color lamp", "capabilities": { "certified": true, "control": { "mindimlevel": 1000, "maxlumen": 800, "colorgamuttype": "C", "colorgamut": [ [ 0.6915, 0.3083 ], [ 0.17, 0.7 ], [ 0.1532, 0.0475 ] ], "ct": { "min": 153, "max": 500 } }, "streaming": { "renderer": true, "proxy": true } }, "config": { "archetype": "sultanbulb", "function": "mixed", "direction": "omnidirectional", "startup": { "mode": "safety", "configured": true } }, "uniqueid": "00:17:88:01:03:b3:76:d6-0b", "swversion": "1.46.13_r26312", "swconfigid": "9DC82D22", "productid": "Philips-LCT016-1-A19ECLv5" TH' or ANKS EVERYONE! 'hs **UPDATE: It seems that for the regular bulbs, the method of color choice, "hs" or "xy", changes depending on what ios app or Alexa I last used to adjust the light.One of the apps I use has animations. These seem to put all the bulbs into "xy" mode. So the simple solution is to ensure both data is included in each resource so that when ISY invokes it, the color is correct in either case of which the bulb reads the data.

DualBandAid…… this is amazing. I have had the network module for over 4 years and have not had the time/guts/energy to figure it out. I see now that I will be able to do so and using this as a stepping ground to learn to do other things like control my russound. In the meantime, for those that like me are a bit intimidated by NR, with the new features that ISY has with Alexa, there is a simple way to do basic things, albeit it can get a bit convoluted with programs / routines calling each other from different systems--> ISY program calling on an Alexa routine which then calls the Hue Hub to change lights. -Use a variable from ISY to initiate a routine in Alexa per this wiki page: https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY_Portal_Amazon_Echo_Integration_V3 -This variable can be integrated into any ISY programming / logic desired. -The Alexa routine can set most basic parameters of the HUE light or rooms etc. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this topic. I just installed 5 hue lights yesterday and will look forward to tackling NR next. but in the meantime

On to p of things as usual! thanks Michel.

thanks! it wouldnt hurt to add a note to that affect in the Wiki. https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY_Portal_Amazon_Echo_Integration_V3#ISY_Can_Talk_To_You.21_.28Alexa_Routines.29

First off, using Alexa has been the missing link to make my ISY/ Elk installation useful for EVERYONE in the house.. GREAT JOB UNIVERSAL DEVICES.. works really well. Cant wait to start integrating voice responses per the newer capability. Simple question: I have both of the above skills enabled on my Alexa account. Nowhere do I find much about the ISY app VS. the ISY Optimized for Samrt Home V3 app.. Do I still need the ISY one? Is it redundant and possibly causing conflicts? If anyone could clarify that would be great! Thanks!

Hi Sanders.. a somewhat "unrelated" question for you... i have an ELK / ISY system as well, plus a Russound MCA88-8. I have the Network Resources module installed in my ISY with the hopes of integrating my ISY with the Russound for wake up music etc. I noticed you mentioned the Russound Serial interface. Can you help me get started in my goal above in terms of how do i start using the networking resources and how do i set up a serial interface? I have downloaded the MC66 serial commands and binary codes but am not sure what to do with them. also, my inputs to the MCA88 are Apple Expresses and Apple TV's so I am looking for some sort of input that i can queue up to play in the morning through the ISY interface to play what i want in the morning, but can't think of anything yet. Any suggestions here? thanks!

David... FYI, i had the same thing happen but it was the MED setting on the fanlinc that went bad.... very frustrating to trouble shoot.. luckily i had another fanlinc that i hadn't installed yet so i swapped them out and proved it was the fan linc not my programming... thanks!

Thanks Bambamf16... I am not sure i understand what you said... but it worked like a charm! thanks..

Thanks Stu. As I mentioned each scene is properly set up. If I go to the scene in the admin console and press on or off it behaves 100% correctly in each case. But when I press the keypad button I get very different results. All three buttons will light up and the fan goes to high regardless of which button I press Any other thoughts? This is a "new" install. I have had a system for the last 4-5 years but took it down for the last year while we rebuilt our house. Starting fresh and don't have any other switches installed yet so may just reset everything including the plm to factory settings and see if that clears things

I have just installed two fanlincs with 6 button keypads. I created 3 scenes for each one as follows: 1) Fan on High: -Keypad a, Responder: set to zero -Kepyad b Responder: set to zero -Keypad c Controller: set to 100 -Fanlinc Fan Responder: set to High 2)Fan on Med: -Keypad a, Responder: set to zero -Keypad b, Controller: set to 100 -Keypad c, Responder: set to zero -Fanlinc Fan, Responder set to Med 3)Fan on Low: -Keypad a, Controller: set to 100 -Keypad b, Responder: set to zero -Keypad c, Responder: set to zero -Fanlinc Fan, Responder set to low All scenes work perfectly when I click on or off in that scen on the ISY. However, when i press any of the three buttons on the keypad, all three buttons light up and the fan will run on high. Press any of them a second time and they all turn off and so does the fan.. What is going on here? thanks!

My plan is very similar to this, with the addition to adding an old fashion round mercury thermostat in between the ignitor and the i/olinc output as a safety break if the fireplace were to turn on when i wasn't home and get too hot. This seems the cleanest and cheapest way to accomplish post 12's point and if I ever abandon Insteon, I can easily just replace the levity with an on /off or a thermostat. Any thoughts on this? thanks!

Huddadudda, Thanks for the comments. I am working with a custom AV home theater person who will be running all my cables and installing the base systems. Great choice and you are 100% correct. Will think more about the ipad mount. Our home is just in the early phases of framing. Hardwire decisions will need to be finalized in January. Thanks everyone for the continued feedback!

Thanks everyone for your input. Seems like we are all on very similar tracks. House construction has just recently started. Will be finalizing the hard wiring in probably 2 months time, so everyone's input is greatly appreciated!!

As i read the owners manual for the 2441ZTH, it says: Waterproof Temperature Sensor (2433A3) INSTEON Waterproof Temperature Sensor is an external sensor that wires to your INSTEON Wireless Thermostat. When connected, the thermostat’s LCD display will show the sensor readings in small digits above the thermostat’s temperature. Does this reading show up in the ISY? Or are you somehow overriding the thermostats temp with the external probe feeds? I am looking to attach a probe to the heater element of a hot tub and then monitor its temperature and have alerts etc for out of ranges. Thanks, Doug

Thanks Michel. I think i will go with option 1. Its only 4 folders with 4 programs each and that should work fine by allowing me 15 minute increments between 5am and 845 am.

I am thinking about the best way to use ISY as an alarm clock. The key will be to be able to easily vary and enter the time I want the "wake up" routine to run the next morning. The "wakeup" routine will be just some variation of programming of lights, music, temperature etc. I am looking for any input on the best way to accomplish this. Here are a few options I have come up with. Option 1: Use an 8 button keypadlinc, where the left column of buttons represents fixed hours such as 5am, 6am, 7am, 8am, and the right column represents 15 minute increments of 00, 15, 30, 45. As i go to bed i can press the correct button on each side to choose times in 15 minute increments from 5am to 8:45. The left side would set a Integer variable called Hour of 5, 6, 7 or 8. The right side would set an Integer variable called Minute of 0,15, 30 or 45 The programming would be 4 folders, the first enabled only when Hour = 5, then next 6, then 7 and then 8. Each folder would then have 4 identical programs. In the first folder, the first program is If Minute =0, then run Wake up routine at 5:00, the second If minute =15, run wakeup routine at 5:15 etc. In the morning, a fast on or a fast off of any of the keys (so you don't have to be picky which ones you hit) would enable a snooze of ~10minutes. While a single on or off would signal the ISY that i am awake, but leave on the music / lights etc. If an awake signal is not received after ~ 10 minutes then a "chime" would go off to make sure i got out of bed etc.or what ever wake up routine ends up working the best for our lifestyle. Option 2: Through Mobilinc, I manually set the two integer variables similar to the above situation but with out the use of the keypad. However if the above approach was used in conjunction, it would light the appropriate buttons and operate as above. Another similar option that would bring ultimate flexibility could be accomplished if there is a way to make a variable relate to a time. Is this possible? Some other way of turning it off would also have to be accomplished if the keypad didn't exist and this was the only way to set the alarm. Option 3: Is there some way, in using Network resources, that i could simply send a text message to ISY to tell it the time i want to wake up? A keypad button could light up as acknowledgment etc. Any other ideas? Has anyone set up something like this? The ideal is a) ease of time entry, flexible times c) acknowledgement, d) snooze. Looking forward to hearing everyones thoughts. Thanks!

Blueman: i more add about the garage doors... this may able to be done thru the Elk module in ISY as well, but one thing i like about having the I/O LInc on the garage doors is that i can also use Moblinc IOS app with Geofencing to "know" when i have arrived back at my home and that in combination to a Motion Detector (insteon), it opens the garage doors for me, depending on what trigger i set when i left, and turn on lights inside if needed etc. Works reasonably well, but often has a long delay from when the MD picks me up until it gets processed, other times, immediately.

Blueman: Thanks for your input. I thought I was going crazy trying to solve all these pieces together. Control4 looks like they have done it and done it well, but its not a DIY application and requires installers to even add devices much less do any programming. Not for me. I will have to wait and see what happens with the pole barn. Will lean your way for what to use the Elk for. And yes, my plans also are to do all programming in the ISY as everything i have read is that the ELK is a bit cumbersome and i am familiar already with ISY. In terms of Garage control I did manage to use i/o Lincs and ISY to accomplish this, but it was quite complex to do it "safely". See my recent post (long, sorry) about 7th down at http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/15311-simple-garage-door-setup-wiolinc-keypad-dimmer/. Scyto: I haven't done direct programming to Russound yet, but it appears it can be done in several ways: -IOS App: http://www.russound.com/product_detail.php?i=3277 -Russound in wall controllers: http://www.russound.com/cseries_overview.php -See both above in a youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WekYtpKGkH8 -Add to ISY for programming control thru Resource Manager: http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY-99i_Series_INSTEON:Networking:Network_Resources#Russound_MCA_Series Let me know if you find out anything else! thanks

I have been using Insteon / x10 with an ISY for quite some time. We are planning to build a new house and I am looking to accomplish the following and would enjoy hearing from others your thoughts on the following overall set up and when there is redundancy, which option is best to use. Thanks! Hardware: -Insteon & x10: general light control, some motion detection, thermostat, hot tub temp monitoring, irrigation -Russound: Whole house audio -Elk: Security and ? -Zwave: door handles and ? -ISY994i: overall Integrator of the above -Apple Express as input to Russond -Cameras: TBD Software: -ISY Admin -Elk for initial set up -IOS -Mac OS -Mobilinc User Interfaces: -Insteon Keypads -Wall mounted iPads (2 or 3) -Wall mounted Russound Keypads Vision: Through the use of Network resources (and a RS-232 connection to the Russond), Elk Module, Irrigation Module, let the ISY be the overall master program controller. For convenience, use the Russound keypads in key rooms for direct sound management. For general lighting and AWAY commands etc, use Insteon Keypads by doors, and in the Great room, Kitchen and Master Bedroom have wall mounted iPads running a controlled version of Mobilinc that will give simple and limited access to the Sound system (thru ISY), Cameras, Elk security (thru ISY), plus other general Insteon scenes etc. Plus run the russound app for more detailed sound control plus other general apps like weather etc. Music would reside on a Mac in iTunes, piped to Airport expresses connected to the Russound as inputs using apples Remote app, or from anyones' iPhones via Airplay. Full versions of mobilinc would run on my iPhone and personal iPads for full control as well. Questions: 1) Motion detection: Elk MD are >$100, Insteon are cheaper but perform only ok. are Wired MD ($10) the best way to go and connect them to the Elk, and use the ISY for programing results? 2) Cameras: independent IP cameras seem easy to integrate into the above, but what about whole house DVR systems? Do they integrate into ELK? 3) I have a pole barn ~350ft away from the house, along with an idle ISY99i. What is the best way to add light / MD to this location as it will have its own electrical panel, so i am not sure instead would transmit that far? I might have wifi there, is there a way to utilize my old ISY99i there and have it send signals via wifi to the main ISY for joint activities? 4) Which areas are better to concentrate on the ELK vs Insteon or Zwave hardware? 5) any other thoughts? THANKS!

After reading the above, I feel I have really complicated things in my programing. Even though the following works, any advice would be welcome. My overall goals are slightly more involved though: I have 2 garage doors and if either or both are open, I have one button (KP4) on three different Keypads light up. If any of those buttons are subsequently pressed, then I FLASH lights in the garage and nearby for 30 seconds as a warning, then proceed to shut the open door or both as needed. If it fails the first time, it will flash the lights again and try a second time. If it fails the second time, then I set off two separate Chimes inside the house and cause the keypad lights to blink to alert me that it failed. As a result i have quite a few programs and just one scene to light the KP4s. Can this be simplified? (even though it seems to work well). I may not fully understand the power of controllers/responders in scenes and instead relying on way too much programming. Thanks! Programing starts by monitoring garage door status: Garage Door1 Status: If Status 'Garage Door 1 Sensor' is Off Then $GarageDoor1 = 1 Set Scene 'Keypad light Scenes / KP4 Garage Indicator' On Else $GarageDoor1 = 0 Garage Door2 Status If Status 'Garage Door 2 Sensor' is Off Then $GarageDoor2 = 1 Set Scene 'Keypad light Scenes / KP4 Garage Indicator' On Else $GarageDoor2 = 0 Then based on Status, it will turn on the KP4 light on three keypads: Check Light Key pad On If ( $GarageDoor1 is 1 Or $GarageDoor2 is 1 ) Or ( ( $GarageDoor2 is 1 Or $GarageDoor1 is 1 ) And ( Control 'Entryway KP4' is switched Off Or Status 'Entryway KP4' is Off Or Control 'Great Room KP4' is switched Off Or Status 'Great Room KP4' is Off Or Control 'Mstr Bed KP4' is switched Off Or Status 'Mstr Bed KP4' is Off ) ) Then Wait 3 minutes and 1 second Set Scene 'Keypad light Scenes / Entryway Keypad / Entryway KP4 LED' 100% Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Likewise, if the doors are shut, it checks to ensure the lights on KP4 are off (i.e. someone presses it on by accident) Check Light Key pad off If ( Control 'Great Room KP4' is switched On Or Control 'Great Room KP4' is switched Fast On Or Status 'Great Room KP4' is not Off Or Control 'Entryway KP4' is switched On Or Control 'Entryway KP4' is switched Fast On Or Status 'Entryway KP4' is not Off Or Control 'Mstr Bed KP4' is switched On Or Control 'Mstr Bed KP4' is switched Fast On Or Status 'Mstr Bed KP4' is not Off ) And ( $GarageDoor1 is 0 And $GarageDoor2 is 0 ) Then Wait 3 seconds Set Scene 'Keypad light Scenes / KP4 Garage Indicator' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') So now, assuming door 1 is open, the KP4s are lit, then any press of any of the KP4's will shut garage 1 by first running warning light, shutting, if failed, will run it again, if fails a second time, runs Garage Door Failed to Shut: Garage Door 1 Shut If $GarageDoor1 is 1 And $GarageDoor2 is 0 And ( Control 'Entryway KP4' is switched Off Or Control 'Great Room KP4' is switched Off Or Control 'Mstr Bed KP4' is switched Off ) Then Run Program 'Garage Warning lights' (Then Path) Wait 30 seconds Set 'Garage Door 1 Relay' 100% Wait 30 seconds Run Program 'Garage Warning lights' (Then Path) Wait 30 seconds Set 'Garage Door 1 Relay' 100% Wait 45 seconds Run Program 'Garage Door failed to shut' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') There is a similar program for Garage 2. Garage Door 2 Shut If $GarageDoor2 is 1 And $GarageDoor1 is 0 And ( Control 'Entryway KP4' is switched Off Or Control 'Great Room KP4' is switched Off Or Control 'Mstr Bed KP4' is switched Off ) Then Run Program 'Garage Warning lights' (Then Path) Wait 30 seconds Set 'Garage Door 2 Relay' 100% Wait 30 seconds Run Program 'Garage Warning lights' (Then Path) Wait 30 seconds Set 'Garage Door 2 Relay' 100% Wait 45 seconds Run Program 'Garage Door failed to shut' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') And lastly a similar program if both garage doors are open which : Garage Door 1 + 2 Shut If $GarageDoor1 is 1 And $GarageDoor2 is 1 And ( Control 'Entryway KP4' is switched Off Or Control 'Great Room KP4' is switched Off Or Control 'Mstr Bed KP4' is switched Off ) Then Run Program 'Garage Warning lights' (Then Path) Wait 30 seconds Set 'Garage Door 1 Relay' 100% Set 'Garage Door 2 Relay' 100% Run Program 'Garage Delay' (Then Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') However, in case of two doors going down, it has to check independently if they both succeeded or not to try determine if a second try for just that door is needed, which is done through the following: Garage Door Delay: If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Wait 30 seconds Run Program 'Garage Door 1 Shut 2nd try' (If) Run Program 'Garage Door 2 Shut 2nd try' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Disabled program, only callable from above: Garage Door 1 Shut 2nd try: If $GarageDoor1 is 1 And $GarageDoor2 is 0 Then Run Program 'Garage Warning lights' (Then Path) Wait 30 seconds Set 'Garage Door 1 Relay' 100% Wait 45 seconds Run Program 'Garage Door failed to shut' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Leave disabled Disabled program, only callable from above:Garage Door 2 Shut 2nd try: If $GarageDoor2 is 1 And $GarageDoor1 is 0 Then Run Program 'Garage Warning lights' (Then Path) Wait 30 seconds Set 'Garage Door 2 Relay' 100% Wait 45 seconds Run Program 'Garage Door failed to shut' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Leave disabled The Warning lights program is: Garage Warning Lights: If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Disable Program 'Outside Garage lights on at sunset' Repeat 3 times Set 'Outside Garage Front Lights' Fast On Set 'Garage light Kennel switch' Fast On Wait 2 seconds Set 'Outside Garage Front Lights' Fast Off Set 'Garage light Kennel switch' Fast Off Wait 2 seconds Repeat 1 times Enable Program 'Outside Garage lights on at sunset' Run Program 'Outside Garage lights on at sunset' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') So if failure in any of the above door shutting routines occurs then i set off the alarms and blink kp4 by calling this disabled program. I also disable the other shutting programs for safety. This program becomes enabled, and essentially waits for me to get the doors shut by solving the problem in the garage. Once they are shut, it becomes false and resets all the other programs to run normally, and re-disables itself. Garage Door Failed to Shut If $GarageDoor1 is 1 Or $GarageDoor2 is 1 Then Enable Program 'Garage Door failed to shut' Disable Program 'Garage Door 2 Shut ' Disable Program 'Garage Door 1 Shut' Disable Program 'Garage Door 1 +2 Shut' Run Program 'X10 Relay On C3' (Then Path) Run Program 'X10 Chime C1' (Then Path) Repeat 20 times Set Scene 'Keypad light Scenes / KP4 Garage Indicator' Off Wait 3 seconds Set Scene 'Keypad light Scenes / KP4 Garage Indicator' On Else Set Scene 'Keypad light Scenes / KP4 Garage Indicator' Off Enable Program 'Garage Door 1 Shut' Enable Program 'Garage Door 1 +2 Shut' Enable Program 'Garage Door 2 Shut ' Disable Program 'Garage Door failed to shut' Keep this program disabled. X10 Relay C3 is a Chime Lastly, to make it all work, i need to ensure that once a relay is turned on, I turn it back off. This may be because of how i have the relays set. Garage door 1 relay off If Status 'Garage Door 1 Relay' is On Then Wait 10 seconds Set 'Garage Door 1 Relay' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Same program for door 2 Garage door 2 relay off: If Status 'Garage Door 2 Relay' is On Then Wait 10 seconds Set 'Garage Door 2 Relay' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

While this is an old post, I wish I had stumbled upon it before I did troubleshooting, thinking something was wrong, as I too like the on /on /on cycling of switches, so i came up with the enclosed simple program to accomplish. Porch Light Great Room is the control Porch Light Mstr Bedroom is the slave so the on/ on /on cycle worked in the great room, but not in the bedroom... until i added the following program...For some reason, there is no need to write the reverse as it works going from fast on to the preset dimmer level. If ( Status 'Porch Light Mstr Bedroom' is not On And Status 'Porch Light Mstr Bedroom' is not Off ) And Control 'Porch Light Mstr Bedroom' is switched On Then Set 'Porch Light Great room' Fast On Set 'Porch Light Mstr Bedroom' Fast On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')