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Thank you so much! So, as long as the system has JAVA installed, then the above should work, regardless of windows versions most likely; as it bypasses browsers and their various security things and/or limitations. When I looked at the launcher in the past or on my Mac, I only got the regular " user " screen. ... Fingers crossed, this ends my search for something that is compatible in this day and age. Many thanks.

How does one get into the admin console (add remove stuff, edit program, etc) using the launcher? It seems to only give me the generic page to turn items on/off.

In the midst of my failing PLM issue and its replacement attempt; I have found myself not quite able to trust an old win 7 laptop + java 8 + pale moon browser ... in that certain things the progress bar don't complete, and then I can't trust whether it did what it had to do. Like restore PLM quits at 7%. Browser sometimes wants to flash away or goes idle? Which prompted me to look if I could perhaps use another old system with Internet Explorer and maybe Java 7 or such; to rule out a software issue. The problem is that there seems to be a very narrow window between an older system that has a functional browser ... I am seeing a lot of white pages when I try to get on the landing page of my ISY or JAVA 2+ required. Even when I have JAVA 7 installed already. Any recommendations? For a good working combo? Maybe a sleek virtual machine combo, so that I could maybe run it on a recent Windows or Mac laptop?

Trying once again to do a few things with my insteon setup. Downloaded the latest Java RE 8 221 Installed Still nothing. Cannot open Java Control panel. Always blocked prompt on the right hand side of display.

" In the Java Control Panel, Security tab, you might add your ISY's IP address to the "Exception Site List". I'm not sure that will help, but I've got mine in the list and I'm having no problems. " Good to hear it can actually work, my system is not there yet ... I cannot even get to the Java Control Panel. When I go into Preferences, click Java, click " Reopen the java control panel " I get a popup on the right hand side " Java File Protection " " Launch of Java Control Panel has been blocked " Only option is close. I have not found a way to bypass or resolve that. Tried to see what java had to say, did the google thing, ... I have spent a considerable amount troubleshooting and searching online, at times when I have tried to get into the console, each time given up ... hence me finally coming here. (as I do need to do some housekeeping and troubleshoot why my water heaters are running in the daytime (when we have triple the electric cost)

It seems I have been ISY purgatory for a long time, every time I try something Java is blocked. I recall the launcher working last year, but then I my systems are now running OSX mojave and the launcher does not work any more. Java proposed I get version 8 211 ... latest they have ... nothing. Read an article somewhere that v 12 SE is compatible with mojave ... nothing. Switched to an up to date windows 10 computer with Firefox ... nothing. How does on get the console these days?

Oh cool! Didn't know, an assigned keyword or keyword set will hopefully be the best of both worlds!

Seeking a bit of guidance on the naming of devices and scenes in the ISY system, to have the easiest transition with voice control. Just went through a faulty PLM replacement. Got the Echo dot. Eager to try Alexa with my insteon stuff (and stop depending on that long html browser list of on/off buttons) My plug devices were previously all named L1 name L2 Name AL 1 name AL2 Name Which not too long ago I tweaked to Lamp Living (L1) Christmas Tree (L2) ... Lamp post (AL1) Malibu lights (AL2) Pond pump (AL3) ... Some hardwired stuff Water Heater MBA BAS Lights ... Which reminded me which labeled insteon device something was plugged into, as some have been seasonal outside / inside . The scenes are pretty simple Front Landscape SC Flood Lights SC Christmas SC But I'm guessing I better drop the (nn) and the SC stuff... What else might be handy to sort my stuff logically? Right now it all is still a long list in ISY

Most exciting to see that many of us may soon enjoy voice control of our connected devices. With respect to the current state of development, I do hope there is an end goal / ability to shorten " Alexa, tell Izzy to ... " Into a much simpler and faster "Alexa, turn on (the) pool pump" or a more crude language "Alexa, pool pump on/off" because I only have one ISY and any home automation commands would be inherent about the ISY controler. The whole "tell Izzy to" is a start but in the end is just not elegant and will interfere with adoption.

Thanks. This system has actually one of the faster SSDs so it shouldn't take much. Dumping the trash is a matter of seconds. Plus this particular system (new baby) hardly has done any Java duty, so I don't see why it would have a lot to empty either. I've tried changing the preferences several times, gave it some time, even rebooted, tried again. I can't resize the cache nor empty it. I think it is bugs in the preference panel. Haven't researched it yet [ way too many other issues of all kinds to sort out ] I filed a bug report with Oracle on the matter. For one thing there is no reason the cache should be by default maxed out at 32000+ MB. It did however solve the sluggish UD interface and give me access inside programs. I'm familiar with Onyx. Hadn't thought of it in relation to this issue.

Thank you both for the quick responses. Split up the program into two parts as indicated and will evaluate. Knock on wood. I'll then proceed with the other bits. (still have to exchange the one bum sensor too)

I'm back. Hopefully I can get to the bottom of this. The lights are on again this morning??? Seems to happen about once a week that the program/ISY/??? gets hung up in the morning. 7:30 AM lights are on (still on at 8:15 at the time of this posting) Sunrise is 6:46 sunset is 17:33 Program summary: Motion Enabled ON Activity IDLE Status FALSE Last Run WED 2014/02/19 07:45 Last Finish WED 2014/02/19 07:45 Next Scheduled Run WED 2014/02/19 17:03 ID 000A Program copy below: Note - I haven't fiddled with it yet to keep it running longer, accept additional motion input or run it by dusk/dawn. If From Sunset - 30 minutes To Sunrise (next day) And ( Control 'M1-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M2-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M3-Sensor' is switched On ) Then Set Scene 'Motion Response' On Wait 2 minutes Set Scene 'Motion Response' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') So two questions: Why does the program run past 'sunrise'? Why does it not shut off the last detected run? There is other controller for the test setup (no remotes, buttons, iPad/iPhone software) It is still the test setup with two lamplincs and two lamps. Only controlled by the program above. Which controls the motion scene, that only has two standing lamps in it.

Well spoke too soon. UD environment is not responsive. Very very slow to react. Nothing to see when I click on programs. Looked at Java preferences, tried to empty the caches, ... gets hung up when you try to do that. Tried to downsize the cache size from 32GB? (WTH ?!) ... gets hung up on that too. OS X 10.9.1 with Java 7 update 51. Fully up to date. Oh what a great start of the morning. Not.

Thanks for sharing the solution. Was stuck on this as well, as I was hoping to troubleshoot a program issue, using my most up to date machine. It is frustrating when nanny systems get in the way of doing something on your own lan ... and lawn

Thank you, I will look into that. Additional question. How can I investigate why the lights stay on outside of the programmed dusk-dawn period. Just walked into the house. 8:30AM. Lights are on? Well outside of the program allowed timing?

Thank you, Lee. Time I report back on the progress. I gave it some extra time to check the stability. I removed the sensors in software and reset the individual sensors to factory condition. (not the easiest with one hand - thanks smarthome - how about a remote command or stick a pin somewhere for 5 sec soft reset, 10 sec factory reset???) Then added them back in one at a time, a day apart, and verified their link table as you stated. Result: NO more rapid blinking. Scene works. After several days of testing, apart from one possible fluke where the lights were on at 8AM, the scene seems to turn off as it should. One additional feature I would like to see in the program is, that if additional motion signals are sent, that the countdown timer in the program is reset, or additional time is given, whether a repeat of the default or an extra five. So if the scene is set for 10 min. Extra motion resets the 10 or adds 5. Right now, in the test setup, there can be additional motion anywhere in the two minute programmed span - like at 1:55 in and the lights turn off 5 secs later. I did also identify I must have a bad sensor. There's one that doesn't blink and refuses to go into linking mode after a short period of operation. Swapped in an even newer battery. The thing is dead as ... During reset procedure red light does not come on after holding the button and reattaching the battery.

Something still is not right with the program or how it is interpreting things. Left yesterday morning, came home at lunch time the lights were still on, they did not time out. Got up this morning, the lights are on, 9AM they're still on ... well beyond sunrise. Certainly not something I can have with nnn watts of outside lights on. ( And the flashing is just ... on or more will detect you as you enter the room, then second detection n or nn seconds later they either go wild or simply flash again. ) In the ISY main screen when clicking on a sensor, the membership windows are blank for responder and controller. Same for their siblings low bat and night sensor. 1E.45.BE is the dual band PLM sensor 1 : had to reset, would not link, now only has one line sensor 2: 6 link lines ... some of which I don/t recognize sensor 3: 3 lines all pointing to 1E.45.BE others to its own sensors I can't figure out to read nor post these xml files legibly here. Was going to do a screenshot with three link tbles and the main screen, but that popup window is single instance, next sensor you pick replaces the results ... I'm thinking I better start over with these sensors. Do I factory restore each one, remove from isy (somehow), then add them back in?

Elapsed time can be any time. 5s 10s 45s. Typically flashes fast upon second detection. Sometimes rightaway, I think. Did the diagnostic on one. Several of the linked devices in that shown address table I don't recognize? Even though the units are brand new out of the box and were setup through the isy menu add sensor with top option to erase everything. The table looked different than the xml it saves, but I guess advaced members are used to seeing it. Device Links Table : M2-Sensor / 27 B5 10 1 0 4088 226 1 1983934 16719617 1 4080 226 2 1983934 16719618 2 4072 226 3 1983934 16719619 3 4064 162 1 2602236 204545 4 4056 226 1 2603029 204545 5 4048 162 1 2603029 204546 6 4040 0 0 0 0

After some more testing, it is not human interference thing. I'll have to contact SmartHome or post this up on the SmartHome forum. I have the dual band access point on the wall. Motion sensor three feet away from it. People pass another three feet away from the sensor. First person. 1 flash. Second person. 20 flashes. Cat trips the light. Cat walks past again as I'm typing this. 20 flashes. This also causes the time program not to reset ... walk past, 20 flashes, lights go out. I literally have the sensors 3-4 feet line of sight without an object between??? No person walking through the data stream. First detection is fine. Second detection goes wild.

Very good point. I hadn't thought of me or a family member interfering with transmission as we're moving about. But it certainly makes sense when moving toward the sensor and slowing down or pausing, where one is in the line of sight from the sensor to one dual band access point. I will try to keep that in mind when the kit moves outside, keep it inline of sight and add a dual band appliancelinc between where one set is to be deployed. Thank you.

I was a bit shocked by the valuation and the purchase. It may be better that Google bought it than Apple in terms of 3rd party compatibility and maybe kicking things open, but I like some separation of powers. Personally I decided against Nest when they came out for features and cost (my system may not look as good and be self learning, but I'm in control and save more energy than we would with a Nest or eco program) and now I'm happy we don;t have Nest Tstats. It is not like Google is an example in openness and communication, at all. Ever tried to communicate with them on account issues, bugs, firmwares, spam, search engines and web app bonehead moves ? You're just talking to the wall. Just like with FaceBook and Apple. Out with the old, in with the new ... whether is is more better, more capable, user friendly, etc or not.

Thank you oberkc, and other members. I am not overly concerned about traffic either, but it made sense to try to follow the example. I am happy to report the new program works great so far, no lights on during the day and they turn off. Haven't tested yet if the timer resets. I will have a look tonight. The next thing I probably need to weed out is sensor flashing. Regardless of day/night, the sensors flash once dim with first detection, then go to rapid bright flash 20x/10sec (estimate) with second detection ... like when you walk past twice in 20sec. Hardly inconspicuous and annoying. But the funny thing is they don't always do. You walk past, blip. Or blip blip. A few times it is fine. Then you think all is well. Walk around and they flash like mad. Next time. All is calm. ??? Without any changes in location, environment, ....

Updated to lockout daytime action If From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) And ( Control 'M1-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M2-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M3-Sensor' is switched On ) Then Set Scene 'Motion Response' On Wait 2 minutes Set Scene 'Motion Response' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

Thanks! Created the new program following oberkc's outline - thanks ! - and will check how that runs. And investigate further on any linking (nothing was linked without the isy, only added to the table, then monitored with the sensor program). I don't have any special considerations really. I was just trying to follow the how to example viewtopic.php?t=3032 which has a different approach, and in the additional examples had reasons that made sense to me. I think the setup I wish is: trip any sensor then light come on for n minutes (probably will be 5min or so, I'm keeping it shorter to test) and if another motion sensor is tripped, reset 5 minute countdown, so it ends up being last motion seen + 5 min. If that is how oberkc's outline works then that is perfect. New program "motion" per oberkc If Control 'M1-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M2-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M3-Sensor' is switched On Then Set Scene 'Motion Response' On Wait 2 minutes Set Scene 'Motion Response' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

Sorry, I did not mean to ignore the detail question yesterday. Test setup inside the house, two adjacent rooms, no wall, lamplincs in the middle of space, opposite each other New devices: Three motion sensors 2842-222 Two dual band lamplincs 2457D2 One new scene "motion response" for test purposes that has both lamplincs One new program "motion detected" to check on the three sensors and turn the scene "motion response" on/off I assume the motion sensors are the controllers, and the lamplincs the responders via the motion response scene, all glued together by the motion detected program. (the controlled scene will be replaced with an upcoming outdoor flood scene once I can climb a ladder again, plus it is just easier to test inside at the table, rather than run around to get a view of the driveway and see if the lamp post is on) Program content If ( Control 'M1-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M2-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M3-Sensor' is switched On ) And Program 'Motion Detected' is False Then Set Scene 'Motion Response' 100% Else Wait 1 minute Set Scene 'Motion Response' Off With this program I was trying to mimic and expand the bathroom example posted on the site (either wiki or how to, ...) some place. But as I tried to say earlier, it didn't look like I could have and scene motion response is off or something of that kind, as suggested in the bathroom example to reduce traffic etc The odd thing is, I've seen the light come on and off for a minute last night (and 5 min ago, after moving through the room, meaning I've got one sensor tripping in the daytime ... and it was followed by the 20 rapid flashes shortly later) So maybe the key is to remove that line or replace it with something better ...