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Consider a basement with 3 sections: A B C. A = 1x 2477S (BAS1 switch ) B = 2x 2477S in 3-way (BAS2 3WAY1 and BAS2 3WAY2) with Scene BAS2 3WAY (both controller) C= 1x 2477S (BAS3 switch) 99% of the time one enters the basement in the middle section, at BAS2 3WAY1 interior door. 1% of the time BAS2 3WAY2 is used at the exterior door. As needed a person will flip on zone A or C to get something. What I'd like is when you leave the basement, that you don't have to go back to turn A and/or C OFF, in other words that when OFF is pressed on the 3-way circuit; that it turns lights off for the entire basement. I thought I could add all devices to a scene called BASEMENT LIGHTS and then get a program setup to accomplish that. But, the ISY complained that the zone B switches are already already part of another scene. And, now I'm feeling lost. I've looked at the manual, the video, ... this morning and I thought the idea would work, but I'm missing a couple details or somewhere, I think ... Thank you for your help

Yes, they are

I just restarted my computer, emptied browser cache & java cache. And, now I can access the program tab again I think understand what you mean that it being listed Red means it can act as its own controller. I just thought Red = Bad. Maybe the UI legend could/should be expanded to include that information. Knock on wood the hot water is now programmed for Off Peak Time Of Use, and I don't have to worry about the old mechanical clock any more with power interruptions and daylight saving time (which can put it in peak time at triple the electric cost) Maybe Michel or Chris tunneled in remotely and fixed something this morning (they have my url etc) What a learning experience. Thank you so much, Lee! Hopefully my next hardware installs will go smoother. I have another box with modules and another 2477SA1 for the pool pump

The link now to the 2477SA1 seems stable (knock on wood) Though its name "Hot Water Heater" remains lit up red in the ISY network, on the left hand side of the UI, whereas others are blue. Checked documentation. Can't see a reason for that, other than some example where two things are a controller. It also doesn't have a light bulb icon, but a square thing with color squares in it. Maybe those two things are related? My new oddity now is that I can't see anything under the program tab. Main tab works, Configurations works. Programs is blank? I was going to set a program for the hot water heater to be time of use controlled. I already had three programs. Can't see them now?? So, one step forward, one step back, unfortunately, it seems. Sigh.

Hi Lee, Well, the mystery continues. Couldn't sleep. Just tried it. No error ?! So that is fantastic news. But I wonder what happened in the past 12 hrs?? I don't know how to identify if it is I2CS or not ... though I assume it is. The two tables were empty before, now show 5 and 2 entries?? How did those get in there?? Magic?? Voodoo?? See copies of three event viewer logs below. One is the queries, then on/off, and on again. Plus two link tables. Thank you so much for your help! And patience. I'm learning this as I go ============= Query Device Diagnostics ========================================== Wed 04/03/2013 04:33:08 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 1A C7 62 0F 19 00 Wed 04/03/2013 04:33:08 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 1A.C7.62 0F 19 00 06 LTSREQ (LIGHT) Wed 04/03/2013 04:33:08 : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 1A.C7.62 1E.45.BE 2B 04 00 (00) Wed 04/03/2013 04:33:08 : [std-Direct Ack] 1A.C7.62-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Wed 04/03/2013 04:33:08 : [ 1A C7 62 1] ST 0 Wed 04/03/2013 04:33:36 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 1A C7 62 0F 0D 00 Wed 04/03/2013 04:33:36 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 1A.C7.62 0F 0D 00 06 (00) Wed 04/03/2013 04:33:36 : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 1A.C7.62 1E.45.BE 2B 0D 02 (02) Wed 04/03/2013 04:33:36 : [std-Direct Ack] 1A.C7.62-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Wed 04/03/2013 04:33:36 : [1A C7 62 0 ] Calibrating engine version Wed 04/03/2013 04:34:27 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 1A C7 62 0F 19 00 Wed 04/03/2013 04:34:27 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 1A.C7.62 0F 19 00 06 LTSREQ (LIGHT) Wed 04/03/2013 04:34:27 : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 1A.C7.62 1E.45.BE 2B 04 00 (00) Wed 04/03/2013 04:34:27 : [std-Direct Ack] 1A.C7.62-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Wed 04/03/2013 04:34:27 : [ 1A C7 62 1] ST 0 Wed 04/03/2013 04:34:34 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 1A C7 62 0F 11 FF Wed 04/03/2013 04:34:34 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 1A.C7.62 0F 11 FF 06 LTONRR (FF) Wed 04/03/2013 04:34:35 : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 1A.C7.62 1E.45.BE 2B 11 FF LTONRR (FF) Wed 04/03/2013 04:34:35 : [std-Direct Ack] 1A.C7.62-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Wed 04/03/2013 04:34:35 : [ 1A C7 62 1] ST 255 Wed 04/03/2013 04:35:19 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 1A C7 62 0F 13 00 Wed 04/03/2013 04:35:19 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 1A.C7.62 0F 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) Wed 04/03/2013 04:35:20 : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 1A.C7.62 1E.45.BE 2B 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) Wed 04/03/2013 04:35:20 : [std-Direct Ack] 1A.C7.62-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Wed 04/03/2013 04:35:20 : [ 1A C7 62 1] ST 0 ============ Device links table ============= Device Links Table : HOT H2O MBR - 1A.C7.62.1 / 1A C7 62 1 0 4088 226 1 1983934 16719617 1 4080 162 0 1983934 0 2 4072 226 1 873961 196608 3 4064 162 0 1983934 0 4 4056 0 0 0 0 ====================== ISY Links Table ======================== ISY Links Table : HOT H2O MBR - 1A.C7.62.1 / 1A C7 62 1 0 4088 226 1 1983934 16719617 1 4080 0 0 0 0 ============================================================

Hi Lee, Yes, latest firmware on the ISY. Updated over the weekend. Firmware of the 2477SA1 (acquired last fall 2012). On a small label on the bottom, it has the model #, 6 digit code and then v 1.11 with below that 4311. ISY links table (right click on device show table) is blank.

Did an additional test. I plugged in an ApplianceLinc (outdoor little grey box with a pigtail) into one of the circuits off of subpanel C, same panel that the hot water heater is on, and I can turn that little ApplianceLinc on/off, no problem. So it would not be a subpanel to subpanel communication issue, I think.

Thank you, Lee Michel got me sorted out with the bug between the ISY + JAVA + Windows that locked me out. He figured I had a communication issue with the 2477SA1 and I said I would look into it further. I have since mapped 80% of the electrical circuits in the house. I added a phase linc adjacent to the main panel, where all subpanels originate, with an insteon outletlinc. Then I really thought that the dual-band PLM and Load Controller ought to talk over the air, if they saw each other; if powerline wasn't doing it. I found an unused circuit on subpanel A. So, I gave the ISY & PLM its own circuit. Mounted it centrally in the basement, where it can line of sight see three electrical subpanels between 10-15-25 ft away. So, now literally 8 steps separate the PLM (panel A) & the 2477SA1 (panel C). I can take a picture with both in it. But the ISY keeps giving a communication error??? Sent a note to UD support, and one tech responded less than 15 min later, and did a live session over phone & internet. I could follow along in the event viewer, that the 2477SA1 sends out ACK (good) but then sends out NACK when you ask it to turn the hot water on. So, I'm waiting for more news/troubleshooting. And, whether maybe the 2477 is bad or if there's some firmware incompatibility? Or?

Email sent to support. I'm just stuck in this loop that goes nowhere.

Well, I just got caught in this rats nest today. I couldn't add the load controller for the water heater. Added a phase coupler. Trying again. Had to update JAVA as my computer said it was no longer allowed/outdated. Now every time I try to get into the ISY whether FireFox or Chrome ... it kicks me out? Emptied the java caches. It now shows a progress indicator prior to launching the admin console, which I'm guessing is good, same old shut down error adding nodes poof. How productive and what a great time I'm having with this. How do I fix this?

I have an ISY 994i that last fall was set up for some landscape lighting. I just installed a 2477SA1 240v 30A load controller to control a hot water heater, and restrict it to be on during off peak electricity hours. Installed fine. Button controls on/off. Push and hold gets it into linking mode. So, I request the ISY to start linking, and press the the 2477SA1 button for 3 secs, at which point it beeps and flashes the LED. But, nothing happens in the ISY admin console? Note we have one master panel where the power comes in, which only function is to feeds 4 strategically located sub panels (elongated house and additional floor) The ISY + Homelink are connected to subpanel A @ ~ 35ft. The 2477SA1 is connected to subpanel B @ 75 ft. Considering the length of runs and a possible phase issue, I added a 2406H SignalLinc to subpanel A to bridge / boost the signal. Tried again to link new devices, but nothing new happens? Only my landscape controllers show up. Also, shouldn't the SignaLinc show up? Which is on the same panel A as the ISY and insteon modem. When I click around in the admin console after a period of no activity, it says error adding new devices, try again??? Appreciate your input & advice. PS: Firmware on the ISY is 3.2.6 Figured it might be a good idea to backup the ISY and see if there's a firmware update. Well it says error can't write file when I try to back up. I have no idea what is going on. Well, I did have to update Java today, I think it was 7u17 or something. Whatever latest JAVA served up today. PS2: Figured I'd reboot my computer and start fresh. Logged into the ISY, get to admin console. Flashes an error adding nodes retry and self closes? ?? Help! ??

I am just getting to know my ISY a little better after having installed my first insteon devices and now starting to look at automating a few things. In configuration I set the time to 24hr, which results in a nice 07:nn sunrise and 18:nn sunset in the main screen. But, when I go to programming it looks like everything regarding time is still am/pm. Did I miss something? Or is the clock display change just a recent standalone change, that didn't carry over into all time aspects? No big issue obviously, just a few extra steps to program.

No problem. I was scratching my head on the math and had this slight oh crap moment as I'm just endeavoring into ISY + Insteon that I may have bought the wrong thing

Thanks for the quick responses and re-assurances, LeeG and Xanthros. Especially that a scene counts as one. I do recognize that over a dozen keypadlincs would be an extreme example. But the user paauto said he had a pro and surpassing that limit was some math that didn't add up and made me doubt this little black box with a 256 limit. A KeypadLinc is really a 6-in-1 or 8-in-1 switch. I plan to have two. So instead of counting as 2 devices it will count as 12 or 16. No biggie. From an outsider's view, it might be nice if they'd put a footnote in to include nodes and publish a list somewhere for reference. I think that's a detail that should be out there up front.

Sorry to jump in, just got my regular ISY delivered today. Did I just buy a very limited product? Reading the above, you are saying that with just 60 devices and 15 scenes, a user can surpass the pro's 1024 limit? Right? But online it says: Model Comparison IR Support Max. Devices/Scenes Max. Programs MSRP ISY99i No 256 300 $229.00 ISY99i/IR Yes 256 300 $279.00 ISY99i PRO No 1024 1000 $269.00 ISY99i/IR PRO Yes 1024 1000 $309.00 Not a single mention of nodes, devices counting as multiple devices, scenes counting as multiple scenes, ... So a device - a physical addressable insteon hardware unit ( xx.xx.xx ) - does not count as one? And, a scene ( software command to various lights) where you press button a on device b and items xyz come on, does not count as one scene? Or am I misunderstanding it? Can you clarify further?

Thanks Lee and OberKc for the additional information. I will do plenty of reading before getting started, and I will likely go the ISY route for the programming benefits. The hopeful part is basically some reservations that after doing a little bit of research online, it doesn't seem to be all roses and sunshine when one embarks on the insteon endeavor, between some failing modules, lack of documentation, environmental complications etc. The house that we live in is above average in size and has some additional complexities with its several mechanical systems. If the typical house has one electrical panel and maybe a sub panel, this house has 4. So more distance for signals to travel both wireline and wirelessly. Oberkc, I had thought about switchlincs on the inside of the house to control the outdoor items, but that would limit me to one function on that line. I need for instance to be able to have independent control over a pond pump and a pond light separately on the same 110 line.

Thank you for your reply oberkc. I am aware of the dual phase issue and hopeful that the insteon dual band devices will overcome that hurdle with semi-strategic placement. Crossing fingers the dual link devices will do their thing as designed, without me needing to invest in more equipment. Setting up the remotelinc shouldn't be too bad. It was just an idea, that if I programmed the 8 button controller by the front door in a certain way, that I maybe could copy the commands from button a to a, b to b, ... rather than starting over for the remote.

I'm considering getting some Insteon Linc devices, primarily for the control of outdoor features like several sets of landscape lights, lamp posts, pond pump, pond lights, pool lights, ... and also have control via iPod/iPhone/iPad. Have individual on/off toggles and maybe a couple scenes, front yard on/off, back yard on/off, all on/off. [ I may look into additional uses later down the road, but have a less common situation where many lamps or lamp sets can be controlled from three locations via a low voltage relay circuit (they are not 110v switches) ] I would install several ApplianceLincs outside ( several existing 110v outside lines would each serve two or three different independently controlled functions ) and inside the house have one 8 button KeypadLinc and a RemoteLinc2, so that front garden features can be controlled from the wall near the front door, then at the back of the house/garden there could be an 8 button RemoteLinc to duplicate the KeypadLinc. Noting that the different outdoor circuits are pulled from three different sub-panels in the house, but I believe Insteon would cover that base. If need be I believe could install some repeater or second KeypadLinc to cover distance or bridge phases. Or have the ISY central in the house, in the basement? My questions regarding ISY: Considering this is a new setup and multiple insteon devices would arrive as well as the ISY. Do you do any programming through the units? Or does everything get done through ISY? Specifically can ISY program or reprogram the buttons on the keypadlinc and remotelinc? Can ISY copy the programming of a keypadlinc to a remotelinc? ... as looking at some ISY setup video, it seemed there was a fair amount of "busy" time as each individual change is made. A quick look at some of the manuals for the insteon devices shows it involves a lot of pressing & back and forth to get things linked up. For my remote functionality, I think I could get away with the free iphone app and their smartlinc. But, I question the programming aspect ... and think the ISY could help, despite the added cost to the system and maybe increased complexity. Additional question regarding time keeping & sunrise/sunset. I read that the smartlinc loses time but may have some sunset/sunrise functionality ... is that something I'd need the ISY for? To say this group of exterior lights on at sunset and off at 23:00? Thanks for your help.