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Thanks for sharing the solution. Was stuck on this as well, as I was hoping to troubleshoot a program issue, using my most up to date machine. It is frustrating when nanny systems get in the way of doing something on your own lan ... and lawn

Thank you, I will look into that. Additional question. How can I investigate why the lights stay on outside of the programmed dusk-dawn period. Just walked into the house. 8:30AM. Lights are on? Well outside of the program allowed timing?

Thank you, Lee. Time I report back on the progress. I gave it some extra time to check the stability. I removed the sensors in software and reset the individual sensors to factory condition. (not the easiest with one hand - thanks smarthome - how about a remote command or stick a pin somewhere for 5 sec soft reset, 10 sec factory reset???) Then added them back in one at a time, a day apart, and verified their link table as you stated. Result: NO more rapid blinking. Scene works. After several days of testing, apart from one possible fluke where the lights were on at 8AM, the scene seems to turn off as it should. One additional feature I would like to see in the program is, that if additional motion signals are sent, that the countdown timer in the program is reset, or additional time is given, whether a repeat of the default or an extra five. So if the scene is set for 10 min. Extra motion resets the 10 or adds 5. Right now, in the test setup, there can be additional motion anywhere in the two minute programmed span - like at 1:55 in and the lights turn off 5 secs later. I did also identify I must have a bad sensor. There's one that doesn't blink and refuses to go into linking mode after a short period of operation. Swapped in an even newer battery. The thing is dead as ... During reset procedure red light does not come on after holding the button and reattaching the battery.

Something still is not right with the program or how it is interpreting things. Left yesterday morning, came home at lunch time the lights were still on, they did not time out. Got up this morning, the lights are on, 9AM they're still on ... well beyond sunrise. Certainly not something I can have with nnn watts of outside lights on. ( And the flashing is just ... on or more will detect you as you enter the room, then second detection n or nn seconds later they either go wild or simply flash again. ) In the ISY main screen when clicking on a sensor, the membership windows are blank for responder and controller. Same for their siblings low bat and night sensor. 1E.45.BE is the dual band PLM sensor 1 : had to reset, would not link, now only has one line sensor 2: 6 link lines ... some of which I don/t recognize sensor 3: 3 lines all pointing to 1E.45.BE others to its own sensors I can't figure out to read nor post these xml files legibly here. Was going to do a screenshot with three link tbles and the main screen, but that popup window is single instance, next sensor you pick replaces the results ... I'm thinking I better start over with these sensors. Do I factory restore each one, remove from isy (somehow), then add them back in?

Elapsed time can be any time. 5s 10s 45s. Typically flashes fast upon second detection. Sometimes rightaway, I think. Did the diagnostic on one. Several of the linked devices in that shown address table I don't recognize? Even though the units are brand new out of the box and were setup through the isy menu add sensor with top option to erase everything. The table looked different than the xml it saves, but I guess advaced members are used to seeing it. Device Links Table : M2-Sensor / 27 B5 10 1 0 4088 226 1 1983934 16719617 1 4080 226 2 1983934 16719618 2 4072 226 3 1983934 16719619 3 4064 162 1 2602236 204545 4 4056 226 1 2603029 204545 5 4048 162 1 2603029 204546 6 4040 0 0 0 0

After some more testing, it is not human interference thing. I'll have to contact SmartHome or post this up on the SmartHome forum. I have the dual band access point on the wall. Motion sensor three feet away from it. People pass another three feet away from the sensor. First person. 1 flash. Second person. 20 flashes. Cat trips the light. Cat walks past again as I'm typing this. 20 flashes. This also causes the time program not to reset ... walk past, 20 flashes, lights go out. I literally have the sensors 3-4 feet line of sight without an object between??? No person walking through the data stream. First detection is fine. Second detection goes wild.

Very good point. I hadn't thought of me or a family member interfering with transmission as we're moving about. But it certainly makes sense when moving toward the sensor and slowing down or pausing, where one is in the line of sight from the sensor to one dual band access point. I will try to keep that in mind when the kit moves outside, keep it inline of sight and add a dual band appliancelinc between where one set is to be deployed. Thank you.

I was a bit shocked by the valuation and the purchase. It may be better that Google bought it than Apple in terms of 3rd party compatibility and maybe kicking things open, but I like some separation of powers. Personally I decided against Nest when they came out for features and cost (my system may not look as good and be self learning, but I'm in control and save more energy than we would with a Nest or eco program) and now I'm happy we don;t have Nest Tstats. It is not like Google is an example in openness and communication, at all. Ever tried to communicate with them on account issues, bugs, firmwares, spam, search engines and web app bonehead moves ? You're just talking to the wall. Just like with FaceBook and Apple. Out with the old, in with the new ... whether is is more better, more capable, user friendly, etc or not.

Thank you oberkc, and other members. I am not overly concerned about traffic either, but it made sense to try to follow the example. I am happy to report the new program works great so far, no lights on during the day and they turn off. Haven't tested yet if the timer resets. I will have a look tonight. The next thing I probably need to weed out is sensor flashing. Regardless of day/night, the sensors flash once dim with first detection, then go to rapid bright flash 20x/10sec (estimate) with second detection ... like when you walk past twice in 20sec. Hardly inconspicuous and annoying. But the funny thing is they don't always do. You walk past, blip. Or blip blip. A few times it is fine. Then you think all is well. Walk around and they flash like mad. Next time. All is calm. ??? Without any changes in location, environment, ....

Updated to lockout daytime action If From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) And ( Control 'M1-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M2-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M3-Sensor' is switched On ) Then Set Scene 'Motion Response' On Wait 2 minutes Set Scene 'Motion Response' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

Thanks! Created the new program following oberkc's outline - thanks ! - and will check how that runs. And investigate further on any linking (nothing was linked without the isy, only added to the table, then monitored with the sensor program). I don't have any special considerations really. I was just trying to follow the how to example viewtopic.php?t=3032 which has a different approach, and in the additional examples had reasons that made sense to me. I think the setup I wish is: trip any sensor then light come on for n minutes (probably will be 5min or so, I'm keeping it shorter to test) and if another motion sensor is tripped, reset 5 minute countdown, so it ends up being last motion seen + 5 min. If that is how oberkc's outline works then that is perfect. New program "motion" per oberkc If Control 'M1-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M2-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M3-Sensor' is switched On Then Set Scene 'Motion Response' On Wait 2 minutes Set Scene 'Motion Response' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

Sorry, I did not mean to ignore the detail question yesterday. Test setup inside the house, two adjacent rooms, no wall, lamplincs in the middle of space, opposite each other New devices: Three motion sensors 2842-222 Two dual band lamplincs 2457D2 One new scene "motion response" for test purposes that has both lamplincs One new program "motion detected" to check on the three sensors and turn the scene "motion response" on/off I assume the motion sensors are the controllers, and the lamplincs the responders via the motion response scene, all glued together by the motion detected program. (the controlled scene will be replaced with an upcoming outdoor flood scene once I can climb a ladder again, plus it is just easier to test inside at the table, rather than run around to get a view of the driveway and see if the lamp post is on) Program content If ( Control 'M1-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M2-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M3-Sensor' is switched On ) And Program 'Motion Detected' is False Then Set Scene 'Motion Response' 100% Else Wait 1 minute Set Scene 'Motion Response' Off With this program I was trying to mimic and expand the bathroom example posted on the site (either wiki or how to, ...) some place. But as I tried to say earlier, it didn't look like I could have and scene motion response is off or something of that kind, as suggested in the bathroom example to reduce traffic etc The odd thing is, I've seen the light come on and off for a minute last night (and 5 min ago, after moving through the room, meaning I've got one sensor tripping in the daytime ... and it was followed by the 20 rapid flashes shortly later) So maybe the key is to remove that line or replace it with something better ...

(I found the log, now I just need to switch to a system with excel macro support or such ...)

Thanks. The thing about coverage and communication though is that the three sensors are 10-15-20 feet line of sight in the same open space, no walls, line of sight to the two dual band lamplincs. The two lamplincs are plugged in on the sidewall where the living and dining room meet. This to me represents best case coverage ... as when they go outside it will be long range. This morning, I thought I was in good shape with no lights on, but the ISY says the lamplincs are on, turns out my wife unplugged the lights in the middle of the night as they remained on??? How do I diagnose / log what goes on? Maybe with one sensor... Current copy of the program: If -( | Control 'M1-Sensor' is switched On | Or Control 'M2-Sensor' is switched On | Or Control 'M3-Sensor' is switched On -) And Program 'Motion Detected' is False Then Set Scene 'Motion Response' 100% Else Wait 1 minute Set Scene 'Motion Response' Off

Excellent, will add. Thanks for the near instant response!!! PS: The 35 default is said in the wiki, will change units to 100

One sensor seems dead, wore the factory battery out already? Current sensor settings timeout 1 minute led brightness 50 darkness 35 sensing V checked, as sensed on only V checked, on/off commands night mode [] unchecked, night only I do notice that after a single detection blink, sensors will blink rapidly (20 times ?) in 10 sec. Haven't found yet what that is about.

Thanks for the replies. The good news is, that when I got home tonight, that the lights in the test setup were off, and have come on and off with detection, and timed off. Based on the reply of my darkness setting, maybe that is what is the issue. I thought I read in some place that 35 was the default. Maybe incorrect or outdated? Maybe I crossed two different things. I will have to try a different setting. Maybe 100. And see what happens. All devices are new deliveries from insteon. First time setup. Took some time between sensors, but maybe not enough. There is only a mention of how to start the setup, not when it is done ... so I've waited till the fast flickr stopped, thinking it was programmed. Looking at the admin console, all sensors and their parts are reporting this evening. They were not this AM. Maybe some went to sleep and left the light on? Thanks for the copy to clipboard hint. Hadn't thought to right click in the left sidebar Copy of the temporary program called 'Motion detected' - work in progress, variation on official example. Wanted to use And Scene Motion Response is off, but I couldn't get that in there. If Control 'M1-Sensor' is switched On Or Control 'M2-Sensor' is switched On And Program 'Motion Detected' is False Then Set Scene 'Motion Response' 100% Else Wait 1 minute Set Scene 'Motion Response' Off Will copy sensor settings next.

I have a pretty good idea of what I want to do and how it should fit together, but I'm stumbling a bit and not quite finding all the details I need or am not able to piece it together just right (not helped by some temporary mobility issues that severely impede computer use) Scenario: I want to deploy three motion 2842.222 motion sensors outside the house (will seek/make weather protection for them) to control some outside lamp posts and flood lights with inline lincs or new micro controllers. This is to be night only illumination. Goal is that tripping any sensor, dusk to dawn , activates the scene, and that the duration ends up being first detection scene on until last detection plus five minutes Status I have a temporary setup in the living room. Three sensors. Two lamplincs + lamps. One program. One scene. Issues: Lamps will turn on but not off ISY reports the status of one or more sensors as blank (currently says m1 and m2 are blank, m3 is off ISY reports one sensor as ON, despite no movement in past few minutes It is daytime, despite having set sensors to night only (they're on now, noon EST) Sensors reset? they do not always seem to have my settings (below), needing me to repeat it Settings: 1 min, 50 led, 35 darkness on on off Program, in progress, was working last night, not this morning (lights are still on): (can't seem to copy the lines from the app?????) If M1 is on Or M2 is on And program motion detected is false Then set scene motion response 100% Else wait one minute Set scene motion response off I figure I can set a time constraint dusk to dawn in program or through each one dusk sensor, and maybe a countdown timeout, but that doesn't fix any underlying issues I am having right now. Within a limited space test environment. I sincerely appreciate your help.

Thank you both. So, it is normal operation (maybe in the future it'll be more advanced ) I guess I could hide those switches from showing in web device list, using ~ Yes, I had used the ISY instructions. The primary reason I got the ISY was so I would have easier setup, more control, etc. But, it is a learning experience

I added my first 3 way insteon circuit to the house the other day. It works fine by tapping either switch in person. Both on and off. Remotely via the ISY only one switch works. I can toggle either switch on or off, see the interface button go green and hear it click, but only the switch with the actual load wire will turn the lights on/off remotely. The switch with the capped load wire just clicks on/off and its leds turn on/off, but does physically nothing regarding turning lights/off. So I think I've got something wrong. The switches are controllers and responders to the scene basement 3way light circuit, as I thought per the instructions I found, but now can't seem to track down. Looking in admin console, I have the switches listed, a hidden scene for the 3way light circuit, a scene for all basement lights. Any pointers as to what documentation I used and what I actually should see in detail for each switch? Thanks,

Can I hide a device or scene? Yes by adding a ~ in front of the name of the device or scene in the admin console. Thank you, that works

Could we get an option to not have that (and maybe some other things like ISY ON/OFF) listed in the HTML UD interface? As to not crowd the scene view with stuff I don't want family members to accidentally toggle on/off that they can't or shouldn't use.

A program running in the background could work too, as Xanthros suggests. No need for a button to turn the other two off. Clever thinking. I'm still a novice, so I had to do a scene Which seemed the way to go to turn 3 things on/off at once. Not a priority for KeypadLinc there. There's only 3 things there and there's no three button KL. I'm already happy I can turn off the lights remotely Thanks for the clarification.

Yes, it complained that I tried to have BAS2 3way1 and BAS2 3way2 as a controller for scene BASEMENT LIGHTS. Now, when I, as you suggest, create the scene BASEMENT LIGHTS, all devices are accepted as responders. Which I guess means that I can only set all three zones to off with the ISY web interface. Not when I press OFF on BAS 3way1. So, in order to set the scene BASEMENT LIGHTS to OFF at the door, I would need a second switch or a multi-button switch instead of a 2477S. ( Recognizing that 2477s, is actually only one single button for on/off; and can't be linked/programmed with a more extensive off routine, so to speak)

Thank you, Michel and your team for your support & intervention. I'm still not sure what exactly transpired, as far as things hanging up or not seeing each other, but things worked out. I have looked at the videos, wiki, ... and am learning more as I go.