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4 hours ago, tibbar said:
My bad. I thought threads like this were about finding bugs.
The problem with forums is that so many people comment on different things, issues can get lost in the process. UDI can't read every post to find whats what (though they chime in regularly). A ticket is the best way to get a bug fixed long term.
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2 hours ago, Illusion said:
I updated from 5.1.0 to 5.3.0. But my polisy shows my ISY is still on 5.1.0. I restarted the polisy, but it still shows ISY at 5.1.0? ISY Shows running 5.3.0...
Did you clear your Java cache
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What steps did you take to add them to alexa
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36 minutes ago, Samedarkclouds said:
This is true. I didn't see the response. It was not unhelpful. But again, my critiques were not of the tech. Just the opposite. I was saying "why would UD have hardware and advertise" or "why would there be gits" as an agreement for why IT MUST BE POSSIBLE.... Aimed at people that were either flat out saying it wasn't or just directing me to the store....
That said, as I have yet to critique the tech our UD, let me start now why I have your ear...
I get it may be an advanced machine meant not for the likes of me, but now that you mention it, it was pretty much sold with he concept of ease of use. I mean, I used the serve side and the store without difficulty so I am not completely ignorant fo the thing, and taught the hardware because it appeared to promise at least minimal access with relative ease to more than the store did. (note why the store continually be thrown at me as a solution is frustratingly circuitous.)
As it turns out, there is very little more available with he hardware, and anything beyond that requires, I come to find out here, a notable amount of "not ease." And real documentation or guides are a thing no one has apparently invented yet.
Add to that the fact that the forum has presented me with three distinct avatars with various names. 1: those that have no idea what they are talking about (which at times I include myself) who just keep replying "go to the store" 2: People who flat out state that the complication level is too much to bother talking to a "nube" about, making the concept of a forum silly unless its the same 10 people just holding court (which seems apparent upon perusal. and 3: Mods or VIP's that may or may not follow the plot, but hop all over erudite opportunities to miss the plot enough to excuse not really answering anything beyond a generic google search.I own 3 ISY's, and have been using them for years. Love it. Polisy sounded great. Maybe it is... apparently there are only a few people allowed to know.
Polisy is for multiple types of people. Those with certain knowledge can and do the more advanced stuff. Ease of use is relative. As a developer (or person with knowledge) going outside the store and configuring things for personal use is much easier. If you don't understand the commands, then someone will be on here telling you each step of the way what to do. When something doesn't work, it's them having to take the time to figure out what's wrong and walk you through it.
For everyone else there is the store. People (including myself) push towards there because anything else means being your own person tech support person afterwards. While you may not like it or want something different than what the store offers; that's the level you seem to be on which is why you're pointed to there.
If something goes wrong when using the store you have 50 people that can help. Something goes wrong by bypassing the store, you have 5 (not literally) available. Mostly likely only 1 will be available and then he's stuck with you. That means time away from doing stuff with family/friends or whatever else they want to do.
Same with UDI. They recommend the developer and store based on knowledge. There is a minimal expectation of knowledge and skill when it comes to developers. If they have to take time to walk you through every step, they've lost time and money. This affects their business. The store on the other hand is much easier. Unfortunately It's the nature of the beast.
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5 minutes ago, Samedarkclouds said:
Sigh.
1: those directing me to the store obviously were unaware that what I was saying was even a thing.
2: Your response is the only one that contained any information of any usable kind, short of a developer link, so that appreciated even given the context.
3: I get the walled garden thing, you either know it all or not at all and don't bother... that seems like a pretty shitty attitude to take. Why are those sorts on forums int he first place? Even if a structured answer fundamentally said "its not for you you don't know enough" at least that would be structured answer. This doesn't apply to anyone, as no one took either tack... instead they...
4: Misread the string as my complaining about the tech, and reacted like admonishing head mistressess.
5: I never critiqued the tech... I was saying "why would they advertise.... act" as a response to people seemingly acting as if what I was saying couldn't be done, or that the answer to my issue was the store. I was defending the fact that the tech WAS capable, and that THEIR ANSWERS around the store were wrong, and "why would they have the hardware, or advertising, or gits if it wasn't true" as an agreement that IT MUST BE TRUE... not the other way around.
This experience has assured me that the world is completely doomed. Just bafflingly obtuse and intentionally complicated.When you come across the way you did, you'll automatically have people gunning for you. It's just like arguing with someone. If someone comes taking jabs at you from the start, you'll do the same back.
In this case you took jabs at UDI in your approach so those who know different automatically took UDIs side.
I know I help people based off the knowledge that they show they have and how something was designed. If you don't know how to SSH into something, run the commands, etc. why reinvent the wheel, with having you do something when there are much easier alternatives.
Maybe you have the knowledge but how are we to know? Those that do already take advantage of that without coming on to forums carrying on as you did. Because of that, our approach is to point you to the method that polisy is actually sold for and that is the avg consumer. Coders and developers are not avg or even above avg. They're in a league of their own. They already know there's limited help outside of specific people which is why they have their own place for stuff. Instead of bashing, simply asking for help would've gotten a much better response
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21 minutes ago, Samedarkclouds said:
Jesus Christ.... NOW your saying this, but your responding to MY responses to people telling me that all unneeded to do was download from the store! I literally said that what was frustrating was that each comment pointed toward the conclusion that it could not be done, and that I just needed to use the store. My saying “why would the site say....!” was directed at them. I was making the argument that their lack of acknowledging the capability when it obviously WAS possible was frustrating, and that the existence of those polys on git meant that their answer wasn’t making contact with my question at all.
now your saying that my position was that it couldn’t be done? WTF. No one can follow a plot. It’s insane.
Me: how do you get stuff on the polisy?
collective: the store
me: no I mean other than the store
collective: the store
me: there’s got to be a way to get stuff not in the store
collective: wait for it to get in the store or vague reference to being a developer with no useable info.
me: ((ignoring the vague developer mention and focusing on the continued references to the store and some flat out denial that what I’m saying is a thing.)) I know about the store... Jesus, why would the site say these things or the Gita be available if it can’t be done
You: I can be done, why don’t you listen better.
Insane. Insane. I know it can be done. That’s my whole point in the face of just being referenced to the store no matter how specific I am.
Garbage. This has been garbage.
People push you towards the store because that is the easiest way to accomplish what you are trying to do. Those well versed with using SSH, sudo, etc. are able to do things that normal users are unable to do. If you understand SSH, sudo, coding, etc. well enough, you probably wouldn't be on here carrying on the way that you are. Most aren't going to take the time to walk you through what's needed when there are much easier and direct ways to accomplish the same task that your going around robinhood barnyard to do. After all these days going back and forth (based off the 1 nodeserver you mentioned) you could've already had it on your Polisy and using it.
Just send it it back if it's so much garbage. At this point, the likelihood of anyone wanting to help you even with my same stuff is probably nill (except UDI since they have to).
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17 hours ago, poormonkey said:
I am currently on v4.5.4 for my ISY994. The older I get, the more I want to keep things simple and not create more work. With saying that, it appears if I take the leap to upgrade to 5.3 it will be a crap shoot if it will require any manual intervention to make the upgrade work. So, if I hold off for now upgrading, will the future version above 5.3 will it become more rock solid on it's upgrade process from older v4.x versions of firmware to above 5.3??
The fact that you're on 4.5.4 along with what you're looking for, I would say you don't need to upgrade to 5.anything at all outside of wanting to stayup to date (which is probably irrelevant since your firmware was released over 4 years ago).
I don't see the upgrade process getting any easier. If anything, the larger the gap between where you are now vs where the isy can/will be in the future will most likely only make things worse.
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15 hours ago, lgilsenberg said:
My key components are Insteon (Switches, Keypads, MS I, MS II), Z Wave Locks, Logitech Harmony Hub and Amazon Echo. I'm primarily looking at programming differences. Is there a different manual for 5.x versus 4.x?
Programming is mostly the name. Some things may be tweaked such as changing device levels but it's not something you'll have to truly re-learn. There are some additional capabilities to programs which can be found in the wiki, but those are on a case by case basis as those are generally advanced things that the avg user wouldn't do to fine tune their system.
The type of programming that most people do doesn't change however. Programming for the devices you have is exactly the same as if they were Insteon devices.
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7 minutes ago, TKopke said:
I use Amazon's Echo to operate Switchlinc to turn off and on the light. If I use the switch, a scene is run. However, the scene is not run if I have Echo operate the switch. How can I have it both ways without having to call a scene in both cases. I'm not really clear how and when (triggered?) programs run to check the state of a switchlinc.
If you want to do things properly, add the scene and not the device to Amazon. Simply label it a light in the portal.
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It's also been discontinued for a year or more
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3 hours ago, DM6937 said:
I just upgraded Zwave to 500 series, Then upgraded to v5.30 had to reinstall all my z-wave devices but everything is working good now except, I lost the panel to set all the features, it only gives me set configuration parameters manually? Do I have something wrong? Only on one of the schlage locks, the other is ok
What steps did you take from start to finish when you upgraded? What was your starting firmware
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2 hours ago, anthon710 said:
Hi,
I have several scenes with 30 to 40 devices in them and I was wondering if there was a way to set levels and ramp rates for multiple devices at once? It's lot of extra work to go through and set each one individually for that scene.
Thanks!
No since there's no way for the isy to know what you want things to be. If you have the pro version, you could turn off write updates which will make the process a little faster since the write will not happen at that moment.
You could also add all responders first (and configure) then the controllers. The scene attributes for each device will automatically be copied to the controller vs needing to write each on 1 at a time
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What exactly are you trying to understand? It would be easier to answer that vs going over in detail the exact differences between the 2 as there are many smaller changes vs. major changes (even though the major differences are huge and greatly overshadow the minor).
The main differences are in nodeservers and tighter zwave integration. A quick perusal of the forums you can see what people are doing now vs what you are capable of doing.
Nodeservers allow 3rd party devices such as hue to be used in scenes and programs as if they were native devices. Now you can integrate those, zwave, and Insteon all together in scenes and programs.
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45 minutes ago, Samedarkclouds said:
Ok, But I bought the physical polisy unit because they advertised it as being able to do just that, tinker with and add your own bits "with ease" and now it turns out that all I got was like 4 more poly's in the store than if iI had just kept using the virtual one.... Complete waste. I mean, why are their Git's for the thing if they cant be installed? Who's making git's that have no way to install? Its all nonsense.
Its not nonsense. Its you not taking the time to research and understand exactly what you were purchasing. NOWHERE does it say download stuff from github or anywhere you want. The product webpage even goes so far to show a partial picture of the store as well as mentioning the store. Polisy was designed for use with UDI's nodeserver store. UDI didnt advertise it as a do as you please device (Thats what an Rpi is for). They advertised it as a way to integrate 3rd party devices with the ISY via their polyglot store which offers plenty of free nodeservers (for now).
By downloading it from their store vs direct from Github, they can ensure compatibility with the ISY and some modicum of quality control. After-all, its them that people will be calling when something doesnt work....Not github. No different than with Apple and their app store. Besides that, its the same nodeserver. Why are you making such a big deal about literally hitting a button. Even if you could do it straight from github, most likely it would take more work than a single button click. You're complaining about a mundane task. Thats like complaining about not being able to sideload an app that you can readily get from any app store.
If you're looking for something you can do your own thing with the Rpi is the way to go. UDI does offer a no questions asked money back guarantee. You're more than welcome to return yours if you please. Keep in mind, Rpi will no longer be able to access the polyglot store in the near future so it will be up to you to figure out how to make it work.
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53 minutes ago, jmpnjimbob said:
I've been looking in to Z-wave receptacles and it appears that you only have one that is controlled. Are there any where both outlets are controlled?
Not that I've ever seen. Only insteon makes a dual outlet. There are plug in modules with multiple controls
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1 hour ago, jca001 said:
Because 5.3.0 is now an official release should it show available on Help or somewhere else on the Admin Console if you are running one of the 5.X releases?
Or is it still going to require a manual upgrade?
Not at this time. Currently it's still manual since there are potential migration issues
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3 minutes ago, EKauffman said:
both are 5.3.0
Are you sure that you put the card in proper slot
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8 minutes ago, EKauffman said:
Thank you but I tried all this. I have the dongle and I'm running v5.3.0 ... the issue is that the z-wave menu doesn't show in the admin console. When I try to get the $1 application, I can't find it in the UD website ... using "help | purchase modules | z-wave module"
When you go to help>about, what does it say your firmware AND UI are?
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4 hours ago, BJB2757 said:
Does "copy scene attributes" exist in 5.3? I don't see it.
No. It was removed
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There is no right or wrong way to program the isy to control your gear. The best way to program is based on what suits you best. There are those on here who use programs mainly while others such as myself use mostly scenes and allow the programs to control the scenes Ive created. The best way to figure out what suits you best is to experiment with a few things and see what comes about.
Everything you did with x10 you can do with insteon (and much more). It all comes down to how you design your system. Before starting, plan out what you are trying to accomplish and what matters most to you. That is what will determine the path for you to take. If you want to control stuff with remotes and rely less on automation (and the isy) then scenes will be your best bet overall. If you just want the ISY to do everything for you and work towards true automation, then programs will become much more important.
I use a high combination of both. I set my scenes first. This way I know everything that I want to do will work outside of the ISY. My 2nd reason is uniformity. I like everything being in sync which you do not get with programs.
Its hard to answer exactly on how to do something that has different variables to them. The best method is determined by exactly what you want to happen, the devices you have and expertise as some of the best methods are more complex.
The way I set my away program utilizes both scenes and programs. When I hit my away button, it starts a program that turns off each room 1 at a time. I could do it a different way (such as a separate scene) but since I already have those set up, I simply use those. Once it gets dark enough in the house (where we want more light) our lights will automatically turn on (depending on different conditions) When we are not home, they turn on at a lower level for the dog in certain areas. If we hit our away button after sunset, the lights that are supposed to come on in our absence will automatically turn on at that time while everything else turns off.
There are other programs, systems, and devices in place that allow me to accomplish what I am doing. This is why I said the best method is determined by other variables. An open question like yours can elicit 20 different responses and styles because of what other people have or do which can make things even more confusing for someone not yet versed in how to set up their system.
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1 hour ago, JT76 said:
Thanks larryllix. I guess I've been waiting for the official, perfect 5.x release from UDI for no good reason. If anyone has specific cautions on 5.2.0 as it relates to any Insteon modules please chime in. Otherwise I guess I'll plan for an upgrade one of these nights.
I was reading about polyglot tonight and while it sounds interesting, I'm not up for the time commitment to get up to speed on this right now.
On a slightly related topic, I just went through the Smarthome/Insteon site and saw that they now have the "Remote Control 2-Wire Dimmer Switch" SKU: 2474DWH. I don't remember seeing that before but it appears to have been around for at least 3 years. (How did I miss that? I could finally get that last switch in the Dining room converted.) Anyway I don't see that device type in 4.7.3, but it's certainly in 5.2.0, right?
The 2474 has been around since 2011 as far as I know. Its.not designed to work with LEDs however
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1 hour ago, uffy said:
We have two switches in our bathroom. One for lights one for exhaust fan. When the light is turned on, the fan turns on. I would like to keep track of how long the light is on so that when the light is turned off, the fan stays on for the same amount of time the lights were on.
My thinking here is. If someone takes a 15 minute shower then fan will stay on for 15 min after they turn the lights off. If they spent 2 min in the bathroom, the fan will stay on for 2 min after the lights are shut off.
Is there a timer function that can keep track of time. or do I need make an integer and use waits in a then statement to increase variable value?
You'll need to create variables to create a timer function.
I think you're making this much more complicated than it has to be as well as mostly likely going overboard with the fan or not enough.
It's your fan's cfm rating and room size that should determine how long the fan stays on vs the light itself being on.
The fan is on and moving air while your in there. Depending on how much air it moves, should determine the length of time it stays on afterwards.
What I'm saying is that being in the bathroom for 5 minutes or 55 minutes is irrelevant once you exit. It's moving air while you're in there. Whatever is left once you leave will continue to be moved. Due to the room size, if your fan needs 10 minutes, running it an extra 45 minutes is a waste. Same thing with being in there for 5 minutes. Running it for an extra 5 when it needs 10 leaves you short. This is a simplistic view of things but I'm using to help you understand what I'm getting at.
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Reboot your isy and restore them
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11 hours ago, GDavis01 said:
I have been using Insteon only devices for numerous years with my 2 ISY's (home and vacation home). The recent release of v.5.2.0 (RC3) seems to be primarily driven by Z Wave devices. I am currently on release v.5.0.16C and it appears that the new release does little or nothing for me. However, it did make me wonder if I should be considering adding Z Wave devices to my network. After a little research on the devices, Z Wave products look to be cheaper and there are more manufacturers than Insteon!
My questions:
- for those that have chosen to add Z Wave devices to their network, was it Price? Availability? or Features? Or put another way... Why did you choose Z Wave over Insteon?
- I have 2 ISY 994i/IR PRO controllers... do I need to change controllers (to ISY9941 ZW+/IR PRO) or can my controllers be upgraded to handle Z Wave Plus by buying the External Z-Wave PLUS Module (although the description for this module states "Use this module in case you have Zigbee module installed inside your ISY994" which I don't believe I have!)
- As I understand it, Z Wave communications do not use RF or power line signals, that Insteon devices use, so if I add Z Wave devices, to my network, their communications would have to stand on their own... roughly, how many Z Wave devices are required in a home (say 3,000 to 4,000 sq ft) to make a reliable network? As an example, if I only install one Z Wave Plus lock on a back door at the other end of the house from where the controller sits will the communications work?
- Are there any other key factors I should consider with respect to adding Z Wave Plus devices?
I use both insteon and zwave. Insteon for lights and zwave for sensors. Zwave is far from being close to insteon for lighting while sensors is Insteon's weakness. I use zwave outlets for repeaters (have insteon outlets as well).
I'm not going to get into the nitty gritty details of the insteon vs zwave argument as this question has been posted many times on the zwave subforum. @asbrilanswered the questions you had but I will add a few things.
Zwave is still in its infancy with the isy compared to insteon so there was/will be more work needed for it than insteon which they've been doing for over a decade. With zwave being the confusing mess that it is, more work will always be needed than for insteon.
There's no set amount of devices for a given size home. I've done 1500sq ft condos where I've needed more devices than 2500 sq foot 2 story homes. I automatically assume the worse for various reasons and buy more than what I need. Most zwave issues can be directly attributed to lack of devices so don't be cheap. This goes for building your network and in the devices you buy. Those cheap devices save you money today but will cost you more long term. If you want the equivalent to insteon or better it will cost you. If your looking at going into zwave as something cheap, don't bother. Save yourself the frustration, hair, and money. If you're willing to invest in it properly then it can be extremely rewarding (except for the lighting experience).
I've attached a link to a tips and tricks write up I did not to long ago to help get you started
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migrate isy running 4.8 to new isy running 5.3
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All over the forums (including the 5.3 page) and wiki. The same as migrating using the same controller. Back up zwave (if you have zwave), backup isy, restore zwave, verify programs