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Is that the button I didn't know I needed to push because I didn't know there was one?

"Don't use SSH anymore to update"? ..but it is so much simpler and I gave up on clicking that hard to find reset button. I don't think it every worked properly on my Polisy, yet. I cannot tell if it is pushed or not. Blindly pushing a metal object into a hole is not a good thing. I have never been sure there is even a PB back there.

Although I have a few Zwave devices and a SiLabs 700 dongle, I have been trying avoid a Zwave system after hearing so many negatives in forums. I may have to push myself some day but after downsizing my home (severely) I have boxes of Insteon devices right now and not much need for new gadgets. WiFi has been taking over for lighting here. I just threw out almost a dozen Zwave receptacles I inherited. I think they may have been series 300 units, and more terrible UI , so far. I was previously looking forward to moving to Zwave but they really don't seem forward now. My experiences so far has been like going back to the 1980s with X10.

Never heard that before. However I have about 10 LDs with no usage for them anymore and need a door detector to detect entry and exit direction, along with an MS.

I just purchased a Door/ Window sensor from Amazon.ca. Surprised they would still have some stock yet. Was thinking somebody might trade me one for leak detectors. Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

Thanks! 2.1G still avail here.

Sounds like another device may have got onto the IP address and clobbered your comms with polisy. Have you assigned an IP address for it in the DHCP reservation table or manually assigned an IP address inside your polisy? If this is the problem you may need to assign an IP address in your router for a fixed address and then power cycle your router to force the other device to assume another IP address.

What doesn't work about it? Give more details (what does it do and doesn't do) as the logic looks good here.

@Michel Kohanim @bpwwer Battery device MS 1 device Option button, hangs IoP while Battery Write option is disabled. Trying to set an option on a newly -reinstalled Insteon MS I. Trying to use the deferred writes feature to write to the MS using the triggered write program technique. However every time I click the MS device "Options" it hangs IoP and it has to be rebooted. Restarting it on the admin console configuration page doesn't seem to do it. After I get a TCP error message box or the one below, the ISY admin console goes into a perpetual busy indication and most functions lock up. I can see some programs updating variables from the ISY internal clocks but not much else works. After 10-15 minutes the busy boxes still keep coming up. I have only installed about 20 program so far on this new environment. The only way I can get any control of my IoP v5.4.4 is to reboot the whole polisy or SSH use sudo service ISY restart Note that "sudo sevice udx restart" did not reset the problem, although when reloading ISY Launcher, the UUID address only ever shows 00:00:00:00:00:00 until ISY is restarted or power cycled. This has been repeated with the same result at least 10 times now.

I am not sure what you have to set up to enable WiFi and make a connection on a polisy but usually WiFi uses a different MAC address than a hardwired connection. You may need to set up another IP assignment on your router for the WiFi and then inject that same IP address into your finder. Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

Yeah, I guess i purchased my NR module outright and had it transferred to my polisy. Mine is not included with my ISY Portal subscription. No module information shows up in my polisy as it did in my ISY994s. I only get a response of "Modules are all up to date" now.

You may have to contact UDI. Most of my polisy lighting depends on this module. It must be an oversight when they ported ISY over to polisy and facilities to install it were forgotten. @kzborayISY portal has a different function than the NR module and cannot replace it. IIRC, the Network module is now being included with a subscription to ISY Portal though, and the lone NR Module may not be available separately anymore.

Would be good test of the intent of the new owners. Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

Polisy runs about 1200% times the CPU power of ISY994 and that would require a fan to make noise and wear out. This way the large metal case avoid all that, acting as a heat sink. Don't try to wash your hands of polisy now. "heat sink" is not a warm water wash station.

I have never heard of any beacons going back and forth on WiFi. I cannot detect any traffic on any of my devices unless higher level protocol layers do a keepalive packet on a periodic basis. If my devices are not used for a period of time the router forgets them and drops them from it's connected table. This happens to almost all my devices. My WiFi bulbs get sent a keepalive packet via a status request every 90 seconds that I set in my software. If they are not talking or being talked to they do not consume any bandwidth from the time pool. No time slots are reserved AFAIK. 100 inactive devices on WiFi5 do not consume all the bandwidth for other devices. Perhaps that was some newer technique used in routers. I always thought WiFi was just another collisions detection system for arbitration as wired Ethernet is.

I believe that us why multitasking and Insteon scenes cannot use a response. Do many devices trying to report back at the same time could really bog down comms for a few hiccoughs fighting over no arbitration technique except to keep blasting away at it. Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

Yeah, I had one ASUS ax92u router and it seemed fine for power. I added another one and the power levels dropped dramatically. have heard others complaining of the same thing. It seems that mesh is mostly to protect neighbours from being overpowered with your signal strengths. Another thing I found was that before the second mesh router was added I found my 5GHz had much better range when I turned both 2.4 and 5GHz signal strengths down. My guess was that the antennae or the output RF stage couldn't handle the total power being thrown at the air. MY wife's iPad had trouble with 5GHz across the same room and once I lowered the signals strengths it comm'd mush better anywhere in the house. Of course once she was forced to purchase a new iPad with WiFi6 on it, it worked flawlessly anywhere on our 1 acre property. The mesh was supposed to allow devices to roam and force them to switch routers when needed. However, a lot of devices do not lie it when you switch and will drop the higher level of comm. My VR headset always had to be rebooted if I moved enough to switch routers. I had to disable that and basically use the routers as APs only. Another gadget they attempt to force on users is the automatic band switching. That drops many devices as the attempt to force say...HA bulbs to 5GHz causes them to drop their connections, sometimes permanently until rebooting again. Anybody else that states mesh is a PoS and a PITA, I agree with them totally. Devices already have automatic switching built into them for the last 20 years. They don't need routers attempting to force them off the air to make it happen.

What would use all that bandwidth for an HA application? Putting 100 bulbs on one WiFi channel and each bulb is turned on and off 10 times per day still doesn't add up to more than a few K of data. The crowding is only in the politics of the protocol and hardware, namely device counts in tables and arbitration hardware etc. HA is not high bandwidth data traffic. Now we wait unit IPv6 comes to a LAN near you so we can have 1000s of HA devices on WiFi.

Ouch@ 5 seconds?! With WiFi bulbs, 12 bulbs would take about 1.5 seconds. To be fair I had only about 9 bulbs in a row on my longest deck and it appeared to be about 1 second but as I posted the techniques make it not so apparent. I ran some animations where each bulbs profile was read and passed to the next bulb in a round Robin fashion and the biggest delay was ISY doesn't offer less than a Wait 1 second delay. I almost forgot....originally I setup a circus tent ceiling with two pinwheels of ten RGBW strings on each post/hub. Using WiFi I could rotate those twenty RGBW (16.4 feet long) strings about one loop per second or less. I did find some jerkiness in the light sequence smoothness at times if my wife was streaming 4K videos on that router. That was before WiFi 6 ever was in my home using a 20 year old dual band Netgear router. WiFi has plenty of bandwidth for HA if you don't use a 10 year old router with 55Mbps limits. Mind you, I don't think I would use it on lightswitches where delays are really annoying but I haven't tried. Think about gamers that whine about 20 msec lag times and 10 msec of jitter, when playing games against people in China through 100s of switches and routers. A few LAN devices are not going to be a problem.

There is no reason devices cannot use a second IP address so that group broadcasts can operate all bulbs in that group simultaneously. I doubt Insteon could patent that idea, as it is used in many places already for WiFi broadcast messing techniques. This seems so easy but I don't think these developers have much experience with HA.

How badly does the popcorn effect look with Zwave? Can you guess at how long of a delay happens between the first bulb turning off and the twelfth bulb turning off? Using MagicHome/LEDenet WiFi bulbs, I still get some slight popcorn effect but it is very minimal. There are some techniques to minimise the annoyance though. Turn off the most visible bulbs first, and then the ones that are typically behind you. With WiFi bulbs and strips, (and using my own NRbridge software) I divide big groups of bulbs into several smaller groupings so that say every third bulb turns on/off, then each interlaced next third of the bulbs, then the final interlaced third of the bulbs. eg: with 12 bulbs the first group to turn on/off would be 1,4,7, & 10, then 2,5,8 &11, and then 3,6,8 & 12. This makes the popcorn effect almost imperceptible. This also gives me better festive lighting control and animation capablities where I can create a moving effect in long strings of bulbs. (annoy the neighbours ) The very fast ramping feature built in to the MagicHome bulbs also helps hide the remaining popcorn effect. With groups of about 12 bulbs, no popcorn effect is seldom seen with two different TV streaming 4K and a VR headset streaming 3D and video effects simultaneously. BTW: NetFlix hardly uses a few percent of my WiFi data bandwidth. Prime uses about double that with 4K video. It comes in intermittent bursts of 3-5 Mbps on a 1200 Mbps WiFi channel. 2.4GHz or 5GHz WiFi 6 handles that while still sleeping. However, I doubt Zwave would offer that control or perhaps with the right software, could it?

Do the door sensors not have an On only option like the Insteon MSes do?

ISY994 and IoP, as a copy of it, represents the longitudes backwards to any standards I have seen. Always has.

Out of date information. https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-opens-6-ghz-band-wi-fi-and-other-unlicensed-uses-0 Most router companies released 6GHz routers a few years ago. I have been using two ASUS 6GHz band routers since about 2019? Perhaps the FCC was delayed from the Canadian DoC rules there? That never previously happened. Usually Canada followed the US rules. My 6GHz band reaches much further than the 5GHz band. However I believe my ASUS routers have destroyed the 5GHz band signals for some reason, making that band almost useless for more than the immediate room. The 6GHz band reaches any corner of my 200 x 200' property much better for some reason. The 802.11ax protocol (WiFi6) does increase reliability of the data. Not exactly sure how the new arbitration works but it sounds similar the the technique cell phone systems use. with time sliced frequency sharing and shorter packet pre/postambles. Trouble with all that is my 40 some odd WiFi HA devices only understand the old protocols so 2.4GHz is mostly dedicated to that. However, brag about the 802.11ax protocol states it handles non-participants better and I believe it after using it with 80-90 devices.

WiFi 6 routers and usage has been in the user market for about 5-6 years now. It enhances the 2.4GHz and 5GHz band usage with advanced arbitration schemes. WiFi 6 s not defined as a frequency band addition but rather a protocol improvement for new and existing bands. My router will connect to many devices at just under 1 Gbps on the existing 2.4GHz channels using the 802.11ax (WiFi6) protocol. My VR headset connects at 1.2Gbps on any band using WiFi6. Faster devices, using WiFi 6 are already being sold,for a few years now. WiFi 6E is being developed and available in higher end routers, using higher frequency bands. Some of those frequencies have been included on many routers already sold for the last 3-4 years (or more). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_6