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Sorry like what I mean is I already own this meter and have for years, it works properly with my hydro and shows the right rates. I meant is this the type that can connect to Insteon with the Zigbee or whatever it is radio mentioned above, or is this device entirely standalone?

Does anyone know if this device I have would work? It's not from Toronto Hydro although it's the power meter that they give you if you request one. I bought this one before they were popular. It doesn't do wifi or anything as far as I know. There's an optical sensor outside with a battery on the meter, and then I have the display here in the kitchen. I mostly just use it for outside temperature. I've seen Blueline come up a few times but is it something more advanced than this that connects to the ISY? http://www.bluelineinnovations.com/powercost-monitor-2

Thanks that helps and makes sense, I'll just have to make sure that whatever I do is only 1 function ideally, instead of having a door open do multiple things depending on the time and so on so no biggie. It was more the Night or Away mode, setting the door open to turn on all lights etc. I can see myself forgetting it's on and running out to take out the garbage and then all the lights come on and then I have to go back and set them all to what they were at. I think it will help once I have Keypadlinc's by the doors that light up when the system is "armed" vs not type thing. As a side question, since I need time to open the door walk in and so on without the away mode triggering all the lights on, do most people just set it like a normal alarm where you get so much time like 10-20 seconds to press the button to turn it off before it turns all the lights on?

Hey everyone, was wondering what most people do in these situations as I find this gets mind numbing sometimes trying to figure out all the conditions and so on! I'm just confused how to run programs so they do something based on a trigger, but then once that's over, it goes back the way it was. Simple example, lets say opening the pantry door turns on the dining room light. If the dining room light was already on, I can have that as a condition so the program doesn't run. Let's say though someone has the light dimmed to 30%, and I want it that when the door opens, it goes to 100%. How would you handle then putting it back to 30% once the door closes? Keeping in mind that in this example the 30% is something someone manually changed it to with the switchlinc on the wall, so one day it might be 30, another 50 etc. So basically "Pantry door opens, light goes on, pantry door closes, light resets to the way it was before the door opened." I feel like that one could be done with variables and isn't maybe as difficult, but it's in the larger examples that it gets complicated I find. Say I have 10 Insteon lights in the house, some on, some off, some set to various levels of brightness. Then I set it that when the front door opens and away mode program is on, to turn every light on to 100% brightness. I wouldn't want it to just stay on forever, as someone like a neighbour might have had to run over, or someone might have even come home unexpectedly and I had away mode on. How would you make a button say on the Keypadlinc "undo" what just happened? I wouldn't want to say this button turns off all the lights, or after 15 minutes turns them all off etc, since some lights are on timers and that would turn them right off. That's just a couple examples but basically what I'm getting at is what do most people do if they have lights etc set manually one way, a program triggers to make them do something else, and then you want them to go back the way they were? Do you actually have to write every light etc into the program, or is there a way when the program runs that you can save the current state of each light as a variable or something, and then after the program ends, have it all go back the way it was? Hope that makes sense!

Hi Michael, yeah I did upgrade and I see that, I was just looking at the wrong thing. I had originally made it with integer variables but changed it to state, but missed changing one of the programs to the new variable, so was going crazy when it kept triggering even though it said "When sHouseStatus is not 2" and then I'd check and "HouseStatus" was 2, but that was the old integer one, so we seem to be good.

Thanks I had changed them to state after but just realized the 3 programs that set the actual variable numbers were still integer, so when I was looking to see the current value of the variable I was looking at the wrong one. The only issue still is on the ISY web interface if you run a program like Away, it changes from false to true, but when you run Home, it also goes from false to true but Away never changes back to false. Not a huge deal but just no real way to tell which program is running without going to the variable screen.

This is driving me crazy, it was working for awhile and now its sending me notifications still! When I open the back door I get an email, I have no idea why this is triggering as the variable $sHouseStatus is set to 2 right now. If Control 'BackDoor.Sensor- Door Sensor' is switched On And $sHouseStatus is not 2 Then Send Notification to 'Default' content 'Door Open Warning Back' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

I confirmed the programs are working finally, notifications are sent when Away or Goodnight programs are running. However as mentioned on the web interface all programs show status "False" and then when you run one manually by "Run If" it changes to "True" however it never goes back to False even if you run another program, but the variables do change and it does work. So I suppose with the Keypadlinc it would be easier.

Great thanks, having one issue here though. I made 3 programs, Away which sets the HouseStatus variable to 1, Home which makes it 2 and Goodnight which makes it 3. I did a test with the door sensor sending an alert when the door is open, so I said If the door opens, and it's between 9pm and 9am, OR HouseStatus is not equal to 2, then send notification. On my phone I go to programs, and it shows all 3 saying "False" as their status. I go to Away mode and have the options Run If, Run Then, Run Else, Stop, Enable, Disable, Run at Startup, Do not run at startup. I picked Run If, and that changed the status to "True" and as expected the door sent a notice when it opened. However here's where I'm stuck, how do I turn it off now? If I run the "Home Mode" program to make the variable 2, the Away mode program still says "True" under enabled and as expected the notice doesn't get sent ,but if I then go to Away program and Run If again, then nothing happens. I used the Integer variable type, is that maybe why?

Well eventually Keypadlinc buttons hopefully, so one that is maybe Home, one Away, one Night, etc. As for now though it would have to be my iPhone either using one of the apps to control devices etc, or even just the ISY's web interface as that works well also. I'm just confused because with HomeSeer's virtual device it would have a state of On or Off, or 1 or 0 or whatever you wanted, so you could just go on your phone and turn that "device" called "Away" on for example, and then all your other programs would look and see "If VirtualDevice.Away is On" do this this this etc. Was just wondering how to accomplish that same thing from the ISY if I don't have a Keypadlinc yet.

Hi everyone, I was using the trial of HomeSeer before and they had advised that to do criteria like pressing a button to activate Goodnight mode, which causes motion sensors to turn lights on dimly, vs Away mode which causes all lights to come on etc, was to make a virtual device, with true or false values. Turning the virtual device on is your variable. How does that work in the ISY since there's no virtual devices? I had thought maybe I'd make a scene called Home, Away, etc, but I don't think you can do "If" criteria based on "If Night.Scene is On" unless I'm mistaken. I'm guessing with Keypadlinc it's easier, but until I have one I'd be using the web interface, or my phone like MobiLinc or something. Thanks!

Great thanks that seemed to help, now when the light goes off I don't have to wait a minute before it goes on again. If I'm in the room and not moving and the light goes off, it still doesn't come back on unless I actually leave the room wait a second and walk back in. Maybe it's a sensitivity setting or something. You're right in that with the Hub the motion sensor controlled the scene. Is that just how it is then with the ISY in that there will always be a slight delay?

HI everyone, I found a few different examples for motion sensors and found this seems to work below. This is for my laundry room, the LED light is a pull chain so always on, and it can only be turned on by the motion sensor (ideally!). This does work but the issue I'm having is if you are in the room. The motion sensor has the default time out of 1 minute as I think that's as low as it can go. There's a few issues/questions I was hoping to get some feedback on. Here's the program first: If Control 'LaundryRoom.Mo-Sensor-Sensor' is switched On And Control 'LaundryRoom.Mo-Sensor-Sensor' is not switched Off Then Set 'LaundryRoom.LED.Light' On Else Wait 10 seconds Set 'LaundryRoom.LED.Light' Fade Down Questions: 1) When I had this set up with the Insteon Hub, I'd walk in the room and the moment I crossed the door the lights would come on. With the above program it does work, but there's about a 1 second delay, so you're fully IN the room in the dark for a moment and then it comes on. You forget for a moment and go to reach for the light and then it comes on. Is this just because the ISY has more to run through than the Hub? 2) My main issue is that if I'm in the room say doing laundry, it does work in that the light stays on. However the problem I have is that lets say I'm not moving, such as earlier I was on my laptop trying to fix my DSL modem which is in there as well. After a minute, the lights start to fade out. If I start moving, waving my hands etc, the lights kind of snap back up, almost like they are fading up for a moment, but then they fade down and turn right off. The problem is that I can waive my hands, move around, the lights do NOT come back on. I can leave the room, wait 10-20 secs go back in, same thing. The status in the ISY shows the Motion Sensor as "ON", so I have to then wait a solid minute and then if I walk back in the lights go on. I know the Wait 10 seconds isn't needed in the above as I think without that it's just the default 1 minute, where as with it it's 1 minute 10 seconds but it works so I just left it. Is there something I have to change or can add to it so that if it goes off while I'm in there it doesn't then have to wait the full minute? I was going to change it to maybe 5 minutes as that would help, but figure there's probably a correct way to do this. Thanks everyone!

Yeah was just going to say I JUST updated to 4.2.10 and it added it immediately! Both of them work now! I was confused though because Hidden Door Sensor is listed as a device type under 4.0.5 so I just assumed that meant it worked.

If I choose the option Add devices found in links and remove existing links, here's that log: Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:15 AM : [2B 32 DE ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:15 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 2B 32 DE 0F 0D 00 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:15 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.32.DE 0F 0D 00 06 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 2C.08.F8 2B 0D 02 (02) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 2B 32 DE 0F 10 00 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.32.DE 0F 10 00 06 ID-REQ (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 2C.08.F8 2B 10 00 ID-REQ (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 10.11.43 8B 02 11 (11) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [std-Broadcast] 2B.32.DE-->10.11.43, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [2B 32 DE 0 ] Calibrating engine version Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 2B 32 DE 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.32.DE 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 06 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 2C.08.F8 2B 2F 00 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 2B 32 DE 2C 08 F8 11 2F 00 00 01 0F FF 01 E2 01 25 E3 2F 03 00 00 A4 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [2B 32 DE 0 ] Using Database Link Table offset 0x0FF8 (reported 0x0FF8) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [2B 32 DE 0 ] Failed to add device, reason 1 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:34 AM : [2B 32 DE ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:34 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 2B 32 DE 0F 0D 00 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:34 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.32.DE 0F 0D 00 06 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:34 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 2C.08.F8 27 0D 02 (02) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:34 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:34 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 2B 32 DE 0F 10 00 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:34 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.32.DE 0F 10 00 06 ID-REQ (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:34 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 2C.08.F8 27 10 00 ID-REQ (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:34 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:34 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 10.11.43 87 02 11 (11) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:34 AM : [std-Broadcast] 2B.32.DE-->10.11.43, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:35 AM : [2B 32 DE 0 ] Calibrating engine version Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:35 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 2B 32 DE 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:35 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.32.DE 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 06 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:35 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 2C.08.F8 27 2F 00 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:35 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:36 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 2B 32 DE 2C 08 F8 12 2F 00 00 01 0F FF 01 E2 01 25 E3 2F 03 00 00 A4 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:36 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=2, Hops Left=0 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:36 AM : [2B 32 DE 0 ] Using Database Link Table offset 0x0FF8 (reported 0x0FF8) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:36 AM : [2B 32 DE 0 ] Reading all links Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:36 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 2B 32 DE 1F 2F 00 00 00 0F FF 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:36 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.32.DE 1F 2F 00 00 00 0F FF 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 06 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:41 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 2B 32 DE 2C 08 F8 13 2F 00 00 01 0F FF 01 E2 01 25 E3 2F 03 00 00 A4 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:41 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=0 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:45 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 2B 32 DE 1F 2F 00 00 00 0F FF 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:45 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.32.DE 1F 2F 00 00 00 0F FF 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 06 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:46 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 2C.08.F8 27 2F 00 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:46 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:46 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 2B 32 DE 2C 08 F8 11 2F 00 00 01 0F FF 01 E2 01 25 E3 2F 03 00 00 A4 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:46 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:46 AM : [25 E3 2F 1 ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:46 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 2B 32 DE 1F 2F 00 00 00 0F F7 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 CA Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:46 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.32.DE 1F 2F 00 00 00 0F F7 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 CA 06 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:47 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 2C.08.F8 27 2F 00 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:47 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:48 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 2B 32 DE 2C 08 F8 12 2F 00 00 01 0F F7 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C9 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:48 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=2, Hops Left=0 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:48 AM : [2B 32 DE 0 ] Failed to add device, reason 1 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:48 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 25 E3 2F 0F 0D 00 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:48 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 25.E3.2F 0F 0D 00 06 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:57 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 25 E3 2F 0F 0D 00 Thu 09/11/2014 08:26:57 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 25.E3.2F 0F 0D 00 06 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:27:06 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 25 E3 2F 0F 0D 00 Thu 09/11/2014 08:27:06 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 25.E3.2F 0F 0D 00 06 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:27:10 AM : [25 E3 2F 1 ] Failed to add device, reason 3 Thu 09/11/2014 08:27:10 AM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Here's what the event trace shows when I add it as a new Insteon device. I'm using 4.0.5, should I update to a later version? They all seemed to be beta or something so wasn't sure if that was recommended: Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:15 AM : [2B 32 DE ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:15 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 2B 32 DE 0F 0D 00 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:15 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.32.DE 0F 0D 00 06 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 2C.08.F8 2B 0D 02 (02) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 2B 32 DE 0F 10 00 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.32.DE 0F 10 00 06 ID-REQ (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 2C.08.F8 2B 10 00 ID-REQ (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 10.11.43 8B 02 11 (11) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [std-Broadcast] 2B.32.DE-->10.11.43, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [2B 32 DE 0 ] Calibrating engine version Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 2B 32 DE 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:16 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 2B.32.DE 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 06 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2B.32.DE 2C.08.F8 2B 2F 00 (00) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 2B 32 DE 2C 08 F8 11 2F 00 00 01 0F FF 01 E2 01 25 E3 2F 03 00 00 A4 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 2B.32.DE-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [2B 32 DE 0 ] Using Database Link Table offset 0x0FF8 (reported 0x0FF8) Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [2B 32 DE 0 ] Failed to add device, reason 1 Thu 09/11/2014 08:23:17 AM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Been trying with no luck for an hour to add it to the ISY994. I had them linked previously to the Insteon Hub which I did by using auto detect with no issue. I understand the ISY can't auto detect it so I have to add it manually but it just never works. I type the device name, put it into linking mode, but nothing happens. I did a factory reset but no go. The device name is 2B.32.DE and when I add it as an Insteon device, it pops up properly as INSTEON Hidden Door Sensor, but then it shows a box that says: Add Failed 2B.32.DE INSTEON Hidden Door Sensor Adding 25.E3.2F I have no idea what 25.E3.2F is but it always pops up. I'm also checking the option to Add devices found in links and remove existing links. A box then pops up devices could not be added. 2B.32.DE Hidden Door Sensor Cannot add Insteon Device. 25.E3.2F Cannot determine Insteon Engine. If I pick the first option, Remove existing links, it pops up a window then immediately says Cannot add Insteon device. I have 2 of these door sensors and neither will work. They worked fine with the Hub, so I'm at a loss. All my other devices added without issue, not sure what else to do!

I spoke too soon, just got home and now it works!

It does thanks so much. Will try Mobilinc and then take it from there. Just got the ISY but I'm at the in laws for another 2 hours before I can go home and play!

Hi all. Just got my ISY today finally! If I use IE and access the web interface that uses java it pops up asks for username and password and works fine. If I use safari it does the same on my Mac and brings up the java interface but a login screen just never pops up. I can see the interface in the back but just nothing further. Can try to update java but I believe it's current. Anyone experienced this before? I'm accessing it from http://ISY.universal-devices.com/99i or whatever the address is in the user guide it says. Thanks!

Great thanks everyone. In general, if I use MobiLinc or eKeypad etc, are they creating their own scenes, devices etc independent of the ISY in the way that the Insteon App and Insteon Hub work? Or are they actually integrated as in the app is pulling scenes and so on from the ISY directly? I think I'll keep these cameras probably and just get more later on as well, since they do work and can upload to FTP so it probably makes more sense to use a dedicated camera app which supports multiple cameras and is probably better, than trying to have one app that does it all with the ISY.

Hi everyone, I have the ISY994 on order coming tomorrow and right now I just have the Hub. I bought some D-Link DCS-933L cameras which are IP and seem to work pretty well. They of course don't work with the Insteon hub and app as it only wants an Insteon camera. I tried the demo of HomeSeer before I bought the ISY but I could never make them work with it. One plugin would let me see a snapshot but never live video. They support FTP upload but also have a url to access that shows the video in a browser, something like http://IP/video.cgi or something like that, but it just would never work with HomeSeer. I was going to return these for some Foscam cameras but thought I'd check first regarding compatibility as I have a bunch of questions. 1) First one is I don't particularly need the cameras to interact with any devices, so being independent is fine. The cameras are connected with Mangocam and record on motion which works fine. Where I'm confused though is if not interacting with scenes etc, then where would I see the cameras with the ISY anyway? Meaning, if I wanted to use MobiLinc or eKeypad, are the cameras set up on THOSE apps directly? Or do I set the cameras up on the ISY and then the apps see them and control them? If it's the later then I want to return them for Foscam cameras I think unless anyone can comment on compatibility with the ISY. I thought I had more questions but I guess that's it actually! I'm just confused since with HomeSeer the app has nothing to do with the cameras, you set them up in HomeSeer. So I'm more just wondering if when looking for cameras, I'm looking for them to be compatible with the ISY, or with the app that I want to use to see and control them? I think I'm going to return them for the Foscam ones either way since the viewing angle on these is insanely narrow, so having pan and tilt I think would be beneficial. Thanks!

Awesome thanks again everyone! I'm using the Hub right now but getting the ISY soon or when I have more of a need for it. I posted a long review here http://forum.smarthome.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15645 on the hub and what it does for me. HomeSeer I think is out, as nice as it is, I just can't justify the price. The keypad thing was a huge thing for me until I really sat down and thought, when would I EVER use this touchpad? It's so much easier to have a Keypadlinc and just push a button than have to go through menus on the touchpad, because believe me if I designed it I'd probably make it way more complicated than necessary. There is something pretty cool though about having a wicked looking touch panel up with "CLIMATE" "SECURITY" things like that, but aside from looking cool there's no real practical need for it. I'll probably get more into scenes later on, although now that I have a bunch of LED bulbs, I find it cool to have Home mode set, where every lamp in the house (there's I think a total 4 or 5) comes on even dim just for some nice atmosphere. Has anyone done anything with Philips Hue? I saw somewhere a plugin or something or people talking about it with the ISY but seemed spotty. I don't have Hue yet, and wasn't going to get it since almost none of my lights other than lamps use the normal bulb socket, they are all those GU10 style. Just saw though there's a new Hue product I forget the name but looks like its just a plug in lamp type thing that you could put behind the couch or xmas tree things like that, so now I think I'd have some cool uses for it as I think that's almost even nicer than an overhead lamp. Just be nice if an ISY scene could trigger Hue also. As I'm writing this I'm just realizing I could probably buy some cheap Ikea lamps or spotlights that do use the normal bulb and just use normal Hue lights and have a plug in dimmer attached. I realize I wouldn't be able to change the colours and so on but I doubt I'd do that much anyway, I'd probably have a scene I really like in the Hue and set it on the Hue app, then just use Insteon to turn the scene on or off, and then the Hue app if I need to fine tune. That's actually probably an even bigger benefit to ISY now if I did do the touch panels with android tablets like I was thinking, as yeah the interface won't be as nice, but I won't have to worry now about trying to integrate 50 systems into one UI with plugins and so on, I can just use whatever android app works best for that task. Sorry for the ramble in this last paragraph, realized I posted a question then kind of found a solution on my own lol, but would like to know if Hue works properly with the ISY at all. Edit: Omg!!!!!!! What a good day already! http://store.apple.com/ca/product/HD394VC/A/philips-hue-connected-bulb-gu10-single-pack?fnode=0001050701

Thanks Teken for the pics, sorry my last post wouldn't send then finally did and saw you wrote more. I can see the difference in the pictures for sure. I think they definitely have to look the same otherwise it's tacky.

Thanks everyone. That's a great idea blueman, definitely makes sense to at least try it that way. Could even buy the 20 pack or whatever it is of popular labels to practice on lol.