Brian H
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I have not seen any controller only Insteon module and knowing Smartlabs. Would not be very much cheaper than one with a load control.
Even the six or eight button KeypadLincs have a local load function.
In the earlier days. There was the Icon line of Insteon modules. They had less functions and still controlled a load but where cheaper cost wise. They could control your main Insteon module just fine.
Not a real good solution but you could wire around some of the switches. Then use RemoteLinc 2 remotes in a optional frame. Mounted in the switch boxes. That would still be close to $50 ea and have to be periodically charged.
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Well if you have any need for the 2456S3 ApplianceLincs.
They are discontinued. I was lucky to find a few spares for my collection. From Amazon.
I am probably one of a very small minority that still adds an X10 address to my modules. The Dual Band replacement for the ApplianceLinc does not support an X10 address.
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Using the HUB and the ISY994i to both control the same Insteon Modules. Will result in messed up Link Databases. As LeeG pointed out.
Same thing happens if someone used the Free HouseLinc Program with it own PLM and an ISY994i; with the same Insteon Modules. Messed up Link Databases.
I doubt you can use both a Hub and ISY994i. Having both work correctly.
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Two AF120s is probably the easier way to go.
The X10Pro XPF is a 20 amp wired in unit that would go into the breaker box and filter the whole circuit. Including any Insteon devices on that circuit.
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Some added information.
I have done some tests on a 2450 I/OLinc and the Sensor Input has the Green LED on it.
You can pull the Sensor Level down enough to allow the LED to glow but not below around 1.0 volts to trigger the Insteon Signal to be sent. My tests showed approximately 800 Ohms from sensor Input to Ground would trigger it.
It also has its own voltage source on the Sensor Input to Ground so be careful that a voltage is not applied to it of if you do. Five volts or less maybe OK.
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I am using an HR12A Palm Pad in my setup. Using an RR501 to transceiver the X10 RF Command to an X10 Power Line command.
In my case I have an X10 address also programmed into my Insteon modules. So I directly control them. Though the ISY994i controller does see the commands. I am just not using them that way. I do send an A4 AOn in the morning to trigger an X10 Chime Module.
There is an A10/X10 Firmware Add On Module that adds extra X10 features but is not needed for basic X10 support.
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Mine also just beeps if it is the one running the test to other devices.
If another Dual Band Module is the one doing the tests. Then mine will blink Red or Green or not at all. Depending on which phase the sender is on and if it is receiving the signal at all.
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You using an ISY99i or ISY994i?
What revision firmware are you using with your ISY Controller?
Yes they should be supported. Though the later ones with the new part number may need a later version of firmware.
To be recognized.
Are you waking them up before trying to add them? As they go into a power saving mode and can't be added without waking them up.
How close to a Dual Band Unit are the motion sensors?
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Near the bottom of the web page is an upgrade offer.
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I believe one issue. Is the Garage Door Kit with the newer sensor.
When you use the sensor reversed setting. The query changes the I/OLinc Sensor status.
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If this is confusing. Please ask for more information.
The EZIO8SA has seven inputs. Four are Isolated with an optocoulper, two Analog/Digital {latest Manual says Analog and did not mention using it as a digital signal} and a 1-wire Temperature probe.
For your relays to activate the isolated ones. You will have to connect them to a voltage source.
You can connect I1+,I2+,I3+ and I4+ to the +12 volt connection on the EZIO8SA.
Then connect one side of a relay in your panel to I1-, same for the next three relays to I2-,I3- and I4-.
Then the other side of the four relays to GND.
That will turn on the isolated input when the relay closes and pulls the isolated - terminal to ground.
The AN1 and AN2 with a relay from your panel will need a 10K pull up resistor to an external voltage that is not avilable on the EZIO8SA. Manual says 3.3 volts for analog use. My older manual said +5 volts was OK for digital input use.
For AN1 and AN2 you can connect a pull up resistor to the + voltage source and then connect one side of the relay to AN1 and one relay to AN2.
Then both of the other sides of the relays to Ground.
In that case you are pulling AN1 and AN2 to common to detect a low.
Here is a link to the EZIO8SA's manual though this later one is not as clear as my older version one I have in my archives.
http://www.simplehomenet.com/Downloads/ ... -Start.pdf
I went to the Smartenit Wiki and looked for connections as pointed out in the latest EZIO8SA manual and found nothing.
Tried a search for EZIO8SA, Analog Input, Digital Input, Digital and Analog. No hits.
You may want to verify with Smartenit the AN1 and AN2 specifications. As the new and old manuals are different signal wise.
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The AN1 and AN2 Digital/Analog Inputs on the EZIO8SA are high impedance.
If they are not in use. They will pick up noise and should be pulled up to +5 volts with a 10k resistor. I believe grounding them is also OK. Just not left floating.
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shannong, Unfortunately when you are dealing with Smartlabs. Basic features is a very slippery slope.
I have been using Insteon since 2005 and a member of their Developers Group for about the same length of time.
I have seen basic features added and change many times in the same basic model number. Just a different Hardware Revision or Firmware.
Many times with no information at all. Things just changed.
So seeing every model and revision work 100% will probably not happen.
Even in their own HouseLinc Software. You may find things not 100% supported.
There is a users findings web page that shows some of the things we have found. Like some can be set to a 9 minute ramp rate while 8 is the maximum in others.
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Does the Leak Sensors RF signal reach to the PLM directly?
If it is being passed on by any power line devices. The PLM will still not see the water leak sensed signal. With power off.
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First I would try a different cable between the ISY Controller and the PLM.
Also verify that none of the pins in the connectors are bent out of contact.
Yes you can do a manual factory reset. Just remember that sets everything back to blank. So no module IDs will be in it's Link Database.
Unplug the PLM and ISY Controller power supply.
Disconnect the ISY controller from the PLM.
While holding the set button on the PLM. Plug it back in and keep holding the set button for at least ten seconds. The LED will be Red. Then release the set button and wait for the LED to illuminate Green and beep.
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Try the built in communications tests. Outlined in your full users manual. Maybe called the beacon test or four tap test.
You can start by tapping the set button on the PLM four times. It should start beeping. Then with in four minutes {it will timeout}.
Observe the LEDs on your other Dual Band devices.
On dual colored LEDs. Flashing green is communicating and on other phase. Flashing Red is communicating on same phase. No LED action. Not communicating at all.
You can try the same tests from other Dual Band devices to see what they can talk to. You only need one or more on each phase communicating. So everyone will not be on opposite phases from each other.
Manuals links are on their sales pages or here.
http://www.insteon.com/support.html
Access Points seem to cover areas of the home better. Some Dual Band modules are influenced by where mounted and if in a metal switch box if a switch type module.
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Mine still show on the little tools buttons near the top of the Administrative Console and in the Files drop down menu.
Firmware 4.1.1 and UI 4.1.1.
It was the same when I was on 4.1.1.
My OS is Windows not sure if it is of any relevance.
Grayed Out indicates Automatic Writes are disabled.
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What temperature sensor are you using?
Sounds like one of the I/OLinc Kits with a temperature sensing switch that goes On and Off a preset points.
That may assist in determining what device you are trying to get a status from.
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The EZIO8SA uses the PLM to communicate and I believe store its Link Database. Through a serial connection from it to its PLM.
The smaller modules like the EZIO40 are built on the OEM Base PLM they buy from Smartlabs and they add their own Daughter Card to it.
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I just tested a hardware 1.8. Firmware 0x41 {Developers I2CS Kit may not be a production revision}.
It triggered at 0.970 volts to ground that was about a 770 Ohm resistance.
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If it is stopped at that screen. You are not where you need to be.
It has been awhile. I believe the Load choice will get you to the Administrative Console.
If not it is the Save Choice.
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I did some tests on a few I/OLincs and found that the resistance had to be less than around 800 Ohms between Sensor Input and Ground terminal and pull the Sensor Voltage below 1.0 volts. Where mine triggered. It was also possible for the LED on the side to glow dimly and still not be triggered. Found that with the ill fated original leak sensor I/OLinc Kits.
I would think that 100 feet of wire would be well below 800 Ohms but would be concerned with noise maybe false triggering them.
I have a home made sketch of the Sensor Input on my earlier ones and will check a later revision one tomorrow for changes.
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It maybe possible. That relay two is closing and sending the proper command and relay one has not opened up yet. Causing its group command to be sent after relay two sent its message.
If the 12 volt signals you are using. Are ramping up and down and not instantly On or Off. Good chance the relay being turned On reaches its pull in voltage before the other relays drop out voltage is reached.
You maybe able to use some programming in your ISY controller to compensate for your overlapping messages.
Insteon units on sale - Boxing Day online and stores
in ISY994
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The Dual Band 2457D2 LampLinc still shows X10 support.
The Dual Band 2635-222 ApplianceLinc replacement.
Shows X10 support as No.
Like the other Dual band Devices. Has no pass through outlet on the front of the module.