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i vote for the new app if it will give more platforms access - i can always use rdc to access the pc and control it from there

yes! amazing - the scenes work too - as does device control i checked the task - 7.28 meg for the j9W.exe task - and i have butt loads of scenes with about 60 devices - probably 25 are keypads my question is - deos this only work through wifi or can i access it from the ev-do phone data network? will it work from any wifi connection or only connected to my router wifi?

signed in - devices popualting the screen....

wait! i left it connected about 45 minutes and now i am getting the sign in screen and the device is displaying the windows busy spinning circle thing

i have 103.30 meg storage and 15.67 meg program - i took out all the today plugins and have 16.47 mb it has wifi and ev-do connections - both work - even with rdc, browsers or (of course) slingbox will i get a message in the isy console when a connection is established? i don't know a way to monitor traffic to see if the connection established

i tried that - when i try to start the app, it says it can't find something - i suspect the j9 thing - but opens ok when i install it in the flash i think i know my problem - do i need to enable internet access? my isy can't find that - i config'd the isy manually - using 192.168.1.1 as the gateway, as best i recall

/storage card i installed it to the flash - could not get it to work from the storage card - i do get a message after the install - it said something about the cert or cannot find - i did a registry hack that was said to disable the cert requiremment - but that might have applied to web sites - i don't know enough about certs on a pc - when i start the ud mobile app, i get no error message - only after the install

its a htc ppc 6800 running windows mobile 6.0

i have 15 meg available - but could free up more - i imagine i have too many links to use udmobile - about 60 devices, probably 25 or more are keypads and probably 40 scenes when i start udmobile, a j9w.exe starts that takes 5.73 meg - but nothing happens - no wireless connection is established (through the phone network) and when i use wifi (connected to my router), nothing happens i guess my question is - how does the udmobile app know where my isy box is? seems like it iat least needs my ip address

rand - what directory does it install in - the java too - i installed in the flash memory too but i don't think i am finding java - the install went into program files/j9 program files/udmobile it opens, but i just have a blank blue screen - with and status - a menu soft key with a few options - how does it know where i am? i tried going to the univ/devices myisy url - i get that univ/devices screen - with java 2+ required i have i/e and opera beta - neither support java - i hear netfront does i am using a ppc 6800 - wm/6 though - i did a registry hack to disable signed certs - the device also has a jbed fastdac java installed what am i doing wrong?

not a problem - i think the out of memory was caused by my setup in the trigger was causing it to loop - the scene was going on/off/on/off - it seems the test i did with the button grouping looped 5 times - interesting that i have 5 buttons in that grouping - does anyone else use grouping? i never see it discussed so i assumed that i was out there alone on that now when i set up my master bath (without the button grouping), i created a new scene that contained only the 4 buttons that control the master bath scene - i placed that as a responder along with 2 keypad loads and 2 lamp buttons - not that one looped indefinately - the system busy box was displayed and the progress bar reached about 50% (that was like 30 or so on/off cycles) before i got that message - i am sure the isy had many more buffered before the message appeared speaking of pdas....... i have my ppc 6800 running wm6 loaded and ready to play with - but that is another time and thread just one question - the app starts - not sure what to do then - i tried the using the browser (internet explorer) and going to univ/dev/myisy url - i get a familiar screen - it says java 2+ required i am thinking i have the shushshush jave (yours) installed in the wrong place - or the browser must have java support (i/e don't) - i have opera's beta too but it does not support java yet (release 9 should when its released) - i hear netfront does or maybe thunderbird (since it hosts web pages elsewhere and sends an image) it could also be that the 6800 has a standalone jave app - esmertec, ag - that is causing a conflict (but i doubt that) i am working with inavcorp on getting inav to run on the 6800 - that is the next step in my world domination plan via pda - then the isy!!!!

and getting his house back online i have accepted that insteon won't allow me to include a button in a scene if the load is also in that scene - and trying to find a workaround - one that creates as little chaos on the powerline as possible i am starting with my bedroom - this is the setup keypad * load - overhead * button a - master bedroom scene * button b - master bath scene * button c - kitchen scene * button d - foyer scene keypad * load - bedside lamps * button a - accent lamp * button b - reading lamp * button c - dusk scene * button d - night scene lamplinc * accent lamp lamplinc * reading lamp keypad pedestal * button a - master bedroom scene * button b - master bath scene * button c - overhead * button d - bedside lamps * button e - reading lamp * button f - accent lamp * button g - dusk scene * button h - night scene to add to the complexity, confusion and mayhem - i have 2 pedestals in the bedroom, both with the same config as above - i also have the master bedroom scene on a keypad in the garage and in the master bath the scenes i have created accent lamp * lamplinc with the buttons from 3 keypads (2 are pedestals) reading lamp * lamplinc with the buttons from 3 keypads (2 are pedestals) overhead * keypad load with the buttons from 2 keypads (pedestals) bedside lamps * keypad load with the buttons from 2 keypads (pedestals) master bedroom * overhead keypad load * bedside lamps keypad load * reading lamp lamplinc * accent lamp lamplinc so far, the accent lamp, reading lamp, bedside lamps and overhead lamps will turn on and off and keep all the buttons in sync - and without using any isy intervention my next step was to work on my master bedroom scene and assign it to the 5 keypad buttons, keeping the 5 buttons sync'd to reflect the status - i would also like the master bedroom scene to turn on/off the buttons assigned on keypads for each device for example - when i press the master bedroom scene button i have on the pedestal, i want the following to happen * turn on the buttons on all 5 keypads that are assigned to the master bedroom scene * turn on the overhead light (the load on the keypad will come on) * turn on the buttons on both the keypads that are assigned to the overhead light * turn on the bedside lamps (the load on the keypad will come on) * turn on the buttons on both the keypads that are assigned to the bedside lamps * turn on the accent lamp * turn on the buttons on the 3 keypads that are assigned to the accent lamp * turn on the reading lamp * turn on the buttons on the 3 keypads that are assigned to the reading lamp turning off the master bedroom scene will turn all that stuff off i am thinking i need triggers to do this - this is what i have tried so far first attempt - set up two triggers - one for the master bedroom scene on and one for off * trigger condition - when any of the 5 buttons assigned to the master bedroom scene is pressed on * response - assigned the one master bedroom scene to turn on * the result - all the devices in the scene come on * the problem - no keypad buttons sync second attempt - still two triggers * trigger conditions - when any of the 5 buttons assigned to the master bedroom scene is pressed on * response - assigned the 4 individual scenes for the accent lamp, reading lamp, bedside lamps and overhead light to turn on * the result - all the devices in the individual scenes come on, the buttons assigned to the devices illuminate * the problem - the 5 buttons assigned to the master bedroom scene do not sync third attempt - still two triggers - this time i unplugged my plm and tried something no one talks much about - from the keypad manual - grouping - this ain't the gropus everyone talks about - it allows all the buttons you place together to be sync'd - for me, it involves a lotta walking - i grouped all 5 buttons assigned to the master bedroom scene in one group - to do it, with the first button off, i placed it in linking mode and linked it to the other 4 buttons, one at a time - then - with the first button on, i placed it in linking mode and linked it again to the other 4 buttons - then you repeat the process with each of the other 4 buttons - so that is what, about 40 links - plugged the plm back in * trigger conditions - when any of the 5 buttons assigned to the master bedroom scene is pressed on * response - assigned the 4 individual scenes for the accent lamp, reading lamp, bedside lamps and overhead light to turn on * the result - erratic - works for a time - sometimes it will turn the devices and buttons on then immediately off - usually the button you press flashes awhile * the problem - erratic fourth attempt - still two triggers - the 5 buttons are still grouped * trigger conditions - when only one (button a on the overhead keypad) is pressed on * response - assigned the 4 individual scenes for the accent lamp, reading lamp, bedside lamps and overhead light to turn on * the result - seems to work when i press the one button defined in the condition - the other 4 buttons assigned to the master bedroom scene illuminate too - does not work when any of the other 4 buttons are pressed * the problem - does not achieve the goal for all 5 buttons i tried the fourth scenerio because i was thinking that the isy might see the command to illuminate all 5 buttons when any one button is pressed and interpret that as a button press - that does not seem to be the case i am not sure if the button grouping is causing chaos on the powerline with commands propagating commands propagating yet more commands so i got to thinking about creating a scene and including only the 5 buttons assigned to the master bedroom scene - then including it as a response and having it set to on fifth attempt - still two triggers - buttons still grouped * trigger conditions - when any of the 5 buttons assigned to the master bedroom scene is pressed on * response - assigned the 4 individual scenes for the accent lamp, reading lamp, bedside lamps and overhead light to turn on - included a scene that only has the 5 buttons assigned to the master bedroom scene * the result - it works - 5 times - the lights and buttons turn on then off 5 times - as in light show * the problem - not into light shows so i thought more (uh oh) and came up with the thoery that the grouping was causing a problem - so i created the same scenerio using the master bath (it is similar to my master bedroom) - but the 4 buttons assigned to the master bath are not grouped - the result was that the lights and lamps come on, but the buttons do not illuminate after a few attempts, i got this error MEM:Alloc: *ERROR Out of Memory for blocksize= 140 (ask= 140) uh oh anyway - am i trying to do too much? any ideas on how i can make that work? am i missing some function in insteon that i did not understand so i said it does not apply to my world?

i am curious about how many links people have (devices and scenes) - as i understand it, a scene counts as one link - a keypad in 6 button config counts as 5 links and a keypad in 8 button config is 8 links - all others count as 1 link slooplinc's insteon relay - 14 dimmer - 13 lamplinc - 14 icon lamplinc - 1 keypad (6 button) - 18 keypad (8 button) - 5 plm - 1 = no links rflinc - 4 = no links plc - 1 - in the craplinc box - no links device links - 172 scenes - um - i forgot - but lots anyone else pushing their luck?

i think it writes the changes immediately but if you are talking about pressing the paddle on a dimmer or the load button on a keypad, it does not set them - someone said that if you airgap the device, the dim/rate will take effect - i tried it on one keypad and it did not work - i might have done something wrong though as i understand it, it is a limitation of the hardware

my problem is - it seems when i have a scene, the load and button are on the same keypad - so in an all on/off scene, the load on the keypad has to be excluded (if the button assigned to all on/off is on the same keypad) so i am thinkinglinc that triggers are my answer - but i bet i need 200 of them - the next release will up the number but i am not sure what that number will be

if i wnderstandlinc it correctly, you just include the button in the scene so your all on/off scene would include all the devices (that control the load) and any buttons you want to sync but then - i am a scenelinc noob

cool - i plan to adjust all my preset dim levels tonight and adjust them before i finalize them - seems i need to add 10% for every 5 years i age

woo hoolinc - great responses my pc is running windows xp pro/sp2 - resolution is 24 bit - 1280 by 1024 - i am betting i am doing it incorrectly - i select the scene name in the left pane (the scene is displayed to the right - i then click in the name (or icon) of the dining room overhead device in the left pane and the device properties of the dining overhead is displayed to the right (preset dim/ramp rate setting) - i have been using the right click on the device and copy to scene function i suspected i would need triggers to accomplish what i had planned - which is why i asked about the number of triggers available i threw together a web page that might explain what i am trying to accomplish http://mysite.verizon.net/respkm62/ i used my dining room keypadlinc as an example - the picture quality sucks but you might be able to read the buttons (bummerlinc - since you can't tell the background of the buttons match the wall color - lol - laser etching all the buttons for 20 keypadlincs is too expensive for my taste) but i guess my next step is to do my 3-way switches and lamplincs thanks for babysitting a nooblinc - hopefully, the answers might help others too

when i set the ramp rate and preset dim level in the isy gui, is that the same as setting the rate/dim by pressing the set button on the device - as in - if i set the rate to 6 seconds and the dim level to 30%, will the light come on to 30% and use the 6 second rate if i press the on button on the device? does it apply to keypadlincs, dimmers, lamplincs and icon lamplincs?

question 7 - drag and drop - i may be doing something wrong - i can't seem to make it work - i have been using the right click then copy to scene to include a device in a scene

question 6 - i plan to have all my lights turn on to their preset levels every day at sundown - i also have those 10 buttons that do the same as the sunset timed event (dusk scene) - i want those buttons to illuminate when the event is triggered at 22:00, i have a trigger to turn off most of the lights, leaving the outside lights and a few lights inside on until morning - i have buttons on the same keypadlincs assigned to turn on/off those lights (night scene) so at sunset, all my lights come on, the buttons assigned to my dusk scene illuminate as well as the buttons assigned to my night scene (since all those light are on too) - at sunrise, the remaining lights go off and the buttons assigned to my night scenes go off too using houselinc (and x10), when i pressed the dusk button off, all the lights that are NOT in the night scene (outside and a few inside) turn off - if i press fastoff (press dusk off twice quickly), all the lights turn off, including the ones in the night scene (as will as the led for the night buttons) - the night scene buttons did not use fastoff - it just controlled the lights assigned to the night scene (outside and a few inside) can i use fastoff to have an alternate action?

question 5 - on several of my keypadlincs, i have a button assigned to a scene for each room - in my dining room, if i press the dining button, all the lights in the dining room come on to their preset levels - i also have a button that turns on all the lights in my home - when i press the button to turn on all the lights, i want the dining button to illuminate too (since all the dining light will be on to their preset levels) - how can i do this? i have a similar setup in most rooms of my home and sometimes the adjoining room has that scene button too (i also want the button assigned to the dining room lamps to illuminate since they will be on too)

question 4 - i have a button assigned on about 10 keypadlincs that i want to turn on/off all my lights to their preset levels - before i reset all my devices, i used (what the keypadlinc book calls) grouping to have all the buttons reflect the status of the lights (if i pressed the button on one keypadlinc, the buttons on the other keypadlincs assigned to that scene were illuminated - and the lights in the house came on) - do i use scenes to do this or do i need to do the press-and-hold grouping on the devices again?

question 3 - i have a keypadlinc that controls the load to the overhead light in my dining room - i also have a button linked to a lamplinc - i want another button on that keypadlinc to be assigned to a dining room scene - which would turn on/off the overdead light and the lamps - the preset dim level and ramp rates can be the same as the ones assigned to the overhead light and lamps - can this be done? i have read that it can IF you use the same dim/ramp assignments - isy seems to warn me that it should not be done - but if it is possible, can i do the links using the press-and-hold method?

question 2 - i have a button assigned to control a lamplinc - do i link them using the press-and-hold method or do i use a scene?