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2487s as 4way


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Need help in setting up a 4way

 

I have a garage with 3 2487s installed.

The house door is the 2487s actually set up with the switch leg (red wire) wired in.

the other 2 switchs are not using the red wire.

 

I want all 3 to work the same when you press the on/off button at any location.

Control the same load and turn on the on button when on and off button when off.

 

I have created a scene but does not work.

 

Do all 3 go in one scene as controlers?

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I have 2 relays that are controling high amp loads so in my scene is all the devices are set as responders not controlers... and then the following program triggers it

 

it is workng but my ? is would it be the right way?

 

What I want to happen is when anyone pushes the B button that all the B status Lights go on on each of the devices and the 2 relays turn on ... or off... and it should work at any switch that is in the program

 

If

Control '{HIDE ME} Bedroom - B' is switched On

Or Control '{HIDE ME} Study Entrance - B' is switched On

Or Control '{HIDE ME} Foyer Switch - B' is switched On

Or Control '{HIDE ME} Garage Entrance - B' is switched On

Or Control '{HIDE ME} Garage House B' is switched On

Or Control '{HIDE ME} Garage Hr Office -B' is switched On

Or Control '{HIDE ME} His Office - B' is switched On

Or Control '{HIDE ME} Pool Path Ent B' is switched On

Or Control '{HIDE ME} Pool Equpt B' is switched On

Or Control '{HIDE ME} Pool Side Ent - B' is switched On

 

Then

Set Scene '{HIDE ME} Security Lights Sce' On

Set '{HIDE ME} Security Lights GEO' On

Set '{HIDE ME} Security Lights Tas' On

 

Else

- No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

I have another progarm with the above but with Off commands...

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What I want to happen is when anyone pushes the B button that all the B status Lights go on on each of the devices and the 2 relays turn on ... or off... and it should work at any switch that is in the program

 

it is workng but my ? is would it be the right way?

 

If it is working, it is not "wrong", but I believe there are benefits to using a single scene, rather than two programs. Put all buttons, including those two relays powering the lights, into a single scene, all as controllers. I think you will find the response faster, more reliable, and still working in the unlikely event of a failure of the ISY or PLM.

 

Any button in this scene that you prefer not acting as controller of the global scene, set only as a responder, rather than controller.

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Looks as the relays 2450 will only allow me to put them into the scene as responders not controlers.

Would this still work?

 

Yes. If a relay can only be a responder, then there is no way for an operator to initiate a control command from that device. Responder will be fine.

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I think I am starting to get it. Thanks

 

The next thing I am doing is that all my A button should function as follows

 

They should all light up when anyone are pressed and off when done.

Turn the driveway lights relay (2450) and foyer lights relay (2450) on for 10 min then shut off. This allows someone to leave and then automactily turn off those lights.

And allow if they pressed this button in error to press it again and cancel shut off the relays.

Currently I am doing this with the following...

Would this be correct and or any better way to do it.

 

 

If

Control '{HIDE ME} Foyer Switch - A' is switched On

And Program 'MH Driveway Timer' is False

 

Then

Set '{HIDE ME} Foyer Switch' On

Set 'Foyer Walk Lights' On

Set 'Driveway Lights' On

Wait 10 minutes

Set 'Foyer Walk Lights' Off

Set 'Driveway Lights' Off

Set '{HIDE ME} Foyer Switch' Off

Set Scene '{HIDE ME} Foyer' Off

 

Else

- No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

 

Thanks again

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They should all light up when anyone are pressed and off when done.

 

Like with your B buttons, I universally prefer scenes to accomplish this goal. Create a scene (I will call it "buttonA" and put all A buttons in, as controllers.

 

Turn the driveway lights relay (2450) and foyer lights relay (2450) on for 10 min then shut off. This allows someone to leave and then automactily turn off those lights.

And allow if they pressed this button in error to press it again and cancel shut off the relays.

 

You want the IOLinc relays to turn on and off when one of the buttons A is pressed on/off? Put the relays in the same scene "buttonA". If, in addition, you want the relays (and buttons) to turn off automatically after ten minutes, create a program:

 

if
status "any button A" is on
then
wait 10 minutes
set scene "buttonA" off
else

 

A few notes about my suggested approach:

 

- I assumed that you wanted your two relays to come on when you press EITHER of the two A buttons. BTW, I don't believe your approach would accomplish this goal.

- I assumed that program "MH Driveway Timer' is your posted program

- I assumed that you wanted the two relays to go off immediately when you turn off either button A (this was not clear to me).

- there is no such thing as scene "status". Therefore, there is no program condition based on scene status.

- given that all buttons A are in a single scene, all will be simultaneously on or off, never mixed status. Therefore, it should be sufficient to pick any single button A in that scene as a representative indication of scene status

- the scene, itself, will take care of manually turning on, and off, the relays. The only thing you need the program for would be the automatic turning off of the lights after 10 minutes.

- keypad buttons have the unique characteristic (at least in toggle mode) that it is impossible to turn on a button that is already on, or to turn off a button that is already off. Given this, I see no reason to include your second condition "And Program 'MH Driveway Timer' is False".

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They are actual 2 diffrent programs.. the Driveway Timer is a sunset to set time program that controls the 2 relays not buttons or scenes involved.. The only reason I added that is not to override the timer off time.

 

The Status "anybutton A" would be the name of each acutal button A so if I have 5 button A's in the scene then they would all be listed on the if part of the program with or between each?

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The Status "anybutton A" would be the name of each acutal button A so if I have 5 button A's in the scene then they would all be listed on the if part of the program with or between each?

 

No. If you set up the scene as I suggested, then use any one of the five buttons. With the scene, all would by synced together, so if one is on, they are all on.

 

They are actual 2 diffrent programs.. the Driveway Timer is a sunset to set time program that controls the 2 relays not buttons or scenes involved.. The only reason I added that is not to override the timer off time.

 

Are you now adding the condition that the security lights only come on between sunset and sunrise, regardless of whether one presses the A button or any other condition?

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I have a program/timer which turns on the 2 relays between sunset and 9 pm independent of any scene or device action.

 

My concern is that if someone presses the A button in error durning Sunset to 9 pm lets say at 8:30 pm that it now overrides the stay on until 9pm part of the independent program and will only say on until 8:40

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My concern is that if someone presses the A button in error durning Sunset to 9 pm lets say at 8:30 pm that it now overrides the stay on until 9pm part of the independent program and will only say on until 8:40

 

Nice.

 

Then I ammend my suggested program to:

 

if
status "any button A" is on
And Program 'MH Driveway Timer' is False
then
wait 10 minutes
set scene "buttonA" off
else

 

With this approach, of course, if one turns on the lights manually at 8:59, they will still go off at 9:00.

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