switches Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I have a few rooms where I wanted a motion sensor to trigger lights but without the 1+ second delay that having only a program control them introduces. And I wanted the dimmer switches to behave nearly normal. Basically there are four states I wanted for the lights. - Have the motion sensor not turn the lights on (set by off click or when it becomes not dark out) - Have the motion sensor turn the lights to dim and turn off after x minutes (set by fast off (reset) or when it becomes dark out) - Have the lights dim and not turn off (set by On click (when lights bright) or fade) - Have the lights bright and not turn off (set by On click (when lights dim)) Although, some people seem to dislike them I have 11 motion sensors and have been pretty happy with them. I've had a few variants of programs that do similar things described above but I think my current set works pretty good and might help someone else out. Once one room is setup it's fairly easy to copy and adjust for another room. The only thing I don't like about the setup is the lights could flash to the previous brightness setting when changing the brightness setting for a couple seconds. This is because the programs take a few seconds to update the scene and the motion sensor could trigger the lights with an old setting. If anyone has suggestions I'd love to hear them! So, the programs below are for 2 lights controlled by one motion sensor set to only trigger on commands (jumper 5 set on the motion sensor and the option set in the ISY for only on commands). I also use one variable to keep track of what the brightness is supposed to be as this is more reliable than checking the light itself as it could be changing from one brightness to another. I also, use a state variable for all my light schedules to indicate when it's dark which is more robust than a schedule. Living Room Off Timer If Control 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Motion-Sensor' is switched On Then Wait 180 seconds Set Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') This program will run everytime motion is detected and wait 3 minutes to shut lights off. Unless one of the other programs disabled it because lights were manually adjusted. Living Room Set Motion Bright If $iLivingRoomLightLevel is 1 And ( Control 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' is switched On Or Control 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' is switched On ) Then Stop program 'Living Room Set Motion Dim' Stop program 'Living Room Set Motion Off' $iLivingRoomLightLevel = 2 In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Motion-Sensor' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 100% (On Level) In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Motion-Sensor' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 100% (On Level) Run Program 'Living Room Set On Dim' (Then Path) Disable Program 'Living Room Off Timer' Wait 1 second Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 100% Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 100% Wait 1 second Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 100% Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 100% Wait 2 seconds Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 100% Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 100% Wait 3 seconds Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 100% Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 100% Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') If light switch turned on while lights are set to be dim - stop other programs that may still be running and setting a different brightness - set lights to go to 100% brightness via motion sensor - set lights to go to dim brightness next on click (Lights will already have gone to 100% brightness based on existing scene setup) - leave them on by disabling off program - Set them to 100% bright a few times in case motion sensor triggers them to previous setting before scene is updated Living Room Set Motion Dim If $iLivingRoomLightLevel is 2 And ( Control 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' is switched On Or Control 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' is switched On ) Or Control 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' is switched Fade Stop Or Control 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' is switched Fade Stop Then Stop program 'Living Room Set Motion Bright' Stop program 'Living Room Set Motion Off' $iLivingRoomLightLevel = 1 In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Motion-Sensor' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 50% (On Level) In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Motion-Sensor' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 50% (On Level) Run Program 'Living Room Set On Bright' (Then Path) Disable Program 'Living Room Off Timer' Wait 1 second Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 50% Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 50% Wait 1 second Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 50% Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 50% Wait 2 seconds Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 50% Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 50% Wait 3 seconds Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 50% Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 50% Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') If light switch turned on while lights are bright or switch faded up or down - stop other programs that may still be running and setting a different brightness - set lights to go to dim brightness via motion sensor - set lights to go to 100% brightness next on click (Lights will already have gone to dim brightness based on existing scene setup) - leave them on by disabling off program - Set them to dim brightness a few times in case motion sensor triggers them to previous setting before scene is updated Living Room Set Motion Dim With Off Timer If Control 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' is switched Fast Off Or Control 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' is switched Fast Off Or $sDark is 1 Then $iLivingRoomLightLevel = 1 In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Motion-Sensor' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 50% (On Level) In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Motion-Sensor' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 50% (On Level) Run Program 'Living Room Set On Bright' (Then Path) Enable Program 'Living Room Off Timer' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') If light switch double-clicked off or it's now dark out (reset to normal) - set lights to go to dim brightness via motion sensor - set lights to go to 100% brightness next on click - enable off timer program Living Room Set Motion Off If Control 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' is switched Off Or Control 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' is switched Off Or $sDark is 0 Then Stop program 'Living Room Set Motion Dim' Stop program 'Living Room Set Motion Bright' In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Motion-Sensor' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 0% (On Level) In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Motion-Sensor' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 0% (On Level) Run Program 'Living Room Set On Dim' (Then Path) Wait 1 second Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' Off Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' Off Wait 1 second Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' Off Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' Off Wait 2 seconds Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' Off Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' Off Wait 2 seconds Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' Off Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') If light switch turned off or no longer dark out - stop other programs that may still be running and setting a different brightness - set lights to go to 0% brightness via motion sensor - set lights to go to dim brightness next on click (Lights will already have gone to 0% brightness based on existing scene setup) - Set them to 0% brightness a few times in case motion sensor triggers them to previous setting before scene is updated Living Room Set On Bright If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 100% (On Level) In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 100% (On Level) In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 100% (On Level) In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 100% (On Level) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Set the lights to go to bright setting next on click. Living Room Set On Dim If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 50% (On Level) In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 50% (On Level) In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' 50% (On Level) In Scene 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Lights' Set 'Main Floor / Living Room / Living Room Hall Light' 50% (On Level) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Set the lights to go to dim setting next on click. Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Hi switches, Thanks so very much for the details which I am sure others will find useful. My only concern with using so many Motion Sensors is if you have 2413S PLM. As it has been reported before, in some cases, too much RF traffic might corrupt one of the packets and turn it into an ALL On packet. Have you ever noticed that all your lights have turned on? Thanks again and with kind regards, Michel Link to comment
Big517 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I'm curious how this would apply with a zwave setup. Is there a status that would indicate if a zwave dimmer has been manually operated like insteon does? Would this same rf traffic corruption happen in a zwave network? Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Hi Big517, No, this is INSTEON packet issue. As far as Z-Wave status updates, it all depends on the type of device you have (whether or not it reports its status). With kind regards, Michel Link to comment
switches Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Hi switches, Thanks so very much for the details which I am sure others will find useful. My only concern with using so many Motion Sensors is if you have 2413S PLM. As it has been reported before, in some cases, too much RF traffic might corrupt one of the packets and turn it into an ALL On packet. Have you ever noticed that all your lights have turned on? Thanks again and with kind regards, Michel Yes, Michel I've had those issues and you put me in touch with Smarthome to get a newer PLM. I thought that the issue was only when a motion sensor changed a KPL backlight? And I assumed that a newer PLM would fix the issue. Am I wrong with these assumptions? Also, I have had the issue happen one more time recently except some things turned on 100% and something things actually shut off but again could have been triggered by a motion sensor and the log doesn't show these devices turning off or on? Is this the same issue? I hope so otherwise I have another mystery issue. Thanks! Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Hi switches, Same issue and the newer PLM does indeed alleviate some of the issues. Do you happen to have the log for the last time this happened? Turning something to off basically means that the first link record's on level is 0. This could be the same All On issue. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment
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